9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

[simonshack]

I think Angell is a real head scratcher so please give me your thoughts.

Our London dept. comes to our rescue.

Timothymurphy (and myself) have exposed Miriam Hyman as an alive-and-well "vicsim".



David Angell could well have chosen the same status - although he and his wife Lynn probably moved to a mansion in Costa Rica or Uruguay. Wouldn't you choose such an option if you were a former Pentagon employee assigned to NBC sitcoms featuring "Flight11" hints inserted into TV scripts?

This whole "Angell" story could well be the most backstopped story of all the 9/11 vicsims. They needed - of course - some prominent people to disappear in order to uphold the hoax in an 'undebunkable' way. "Hey, what about that famous guy who died? Soooo many people and actors knew him personally?"

CNN's Barbara Olson was the most prominent 9/11 victim in the immediate aftermath. We now know a lot about her. So why worry about NBC's David Angell?

[D.Duck]

Hoi,

but I would still like something more concrete than people referencing phone calls and meetings with groups of people including David Angell.

Then its up to you to go get the info you need cos to me there is no chance in hell David Angell was not a real person just based on what I have showed you here, and you know the connections I have in show business to find out.

Are you saying all these guys you label as "people" that has been successful since the eighties and has nothing to gain being in on it, are in on it?

Are you saying all DVDs and VHS you could buy in Sweden and the rest of the world from 1978 are Fake?

Are you saying all ASCAP and STIM notes from 1978 are Fake?

Are you saying the perps Faked more then 3000 original TV- shows after 2001 that many people have on VHS and DVDs from home recordings that show Angells name.


Since you question what I have showed you and you think you have a reason for it there is a thinking going on in your head and I am curious to what your thinking process is in this case cos I am always open to I could be wrong.


Tell me how and why they backstop and Fake a person like Angell? dont you think the effect they wanted with Angell could have been reached much easier if he is to be Fake and without the risk of involving tons of high profile people in Holy-wood? cos we know how easy it is the get those people to sing.


Thanks Pal
D.Duck

[simonshack]

Dduck,

Do we have indications that Barbara Olson (of CNN) might have had a face-lift and remarried her husband Ted (as "Lady Booth") after 9/11?
Yes, we do:

Barbara Olson________________________________"Lady Booth"


Do we have indications that David Angell (of NBC) might have undergone a similar identity-change? No, we don't.

But we just can't have it all! <_<

[D.Duck]

Simon,

Do we have indications that David Angell (of NBC) might have undergone a similar identity-change?

That has nothing to do with if he was real or not and at this point its not important if he had undergone a similar identity-change.

David Angell could well have chosen the same status

Sure, I am with on that but please do not compare Miriam Hyman with Angell cos there could be a huge difference in involvement.

Angell worked at Pentagon, NBC is Pentagon and I think Angell could be a major hub in the 9/11 Psyops with his connections in Holy-wood.

You make it sound he has chosen the same status as Miriam for the same reasons and I think that is wrong thinking.

Please dont think Angell just picked up the phone and called his old pals from Pentagon and said:

" Hey guys, I heard you are going to do an event and I have talked to my wife about living in Costa Rica so if you need any dead guys I am available cos we are ready to check out so could you sign me up as a vicsim"

That would be pretty stupid , dont you think.

He was not just a vicsim who lend his face and status to the 9/11 Psyop, IMHO he did more.

My indications lead me at this point to believe that things changed and people changed around Angell in 1995-1997 and in 2004.

As always I could be completely wrong about this but its worth looking in to and I appreciate all help I can get.


Quack
D.Duck

[hoi.polloi]

Since you question what I have showed you and you think you have a reason for it there is a thinking going on in your head and I am curious to what your thinking process is in this case cos I am always open to I could be wrong.

Sure. Happy to share with you (and everyone else). I don't understand all your questions but I think I get the jist of it. Maybe let's be a bit open about this debate and try it on for size because most stuff we are knocking around before hand and maybe it's time to teach people how some of our thinking process goes a little bit. You and Simon have given little trinkets of your spiel, so I'll spill the beans too.

Angell is something or someone that people think was a real person. Let's see!

First, to confirm that Angell is not retroactively backstopped like the Ted Olson fake 'retrospective' we saw on a weird Larry King clip, I would like to see the ending credits of one of the pre-9/11 shows he was a part of with his name on there or listed as a credit in the 70's etc. on a photo of a VHS cover or a video of a VHS tape with his name, etc. (Being ignorant of the other confirmation methods you mentioned, I'd also like to know what ASCAP and STIM notes are.)

We should note from that what 'group' he belongs to (e.g.;'executive creative producers' or whatever) and look up those people around him and see what we can find on them.

Secondly, to confirm that he is more than just a name, I would like to see a family photo of him that does not resemble the morphed qualities seen in the 9/11 VicSim, wherein pieces of each's face are seemingly forced into position as some sort of keyframe on a morphing animation, with nose pointing the wrong way, cheek abnormally saggy, photoshop remnants, etc. and was released before the 9/11 images - so photograph/scan of a magazine/business rag with cited issue number and stuff like that if possible.

Thirdly, in the unlikely event that such documentation even exists, I'd like to confirm that the name stuffed into the vicsim matrix David Lawrence Angell corresponds to the 'David R. Angell' we seem to be seeing signatures from, and the visual appearance tied to the vicsim matrix name David Lawrence Angell. This would still not likely convince me unless it could all be proven to have existed long in advance.

Fourthly, and completely impossible to provide but as long as I am on my little manifesto, I would like a fantasy omnipotence that can peer inside this person's past and confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were not part of some special spy program like the Japanese emperor's 'grass' men whose secret operation in life might exist for a split second at age 50 at which point their entire past, family and life would be abandoned for a secret signal. Some disguises like this exist in the world, and if the previous three piles of documents don't disprove the official story of David Angell's mysteriously timely demise, I'd also consider something like this.

That's all. Is that so much to ask?

[antipodean]

David Angell could well have chosen the same status - although he and his wife Lynn probably moved to a mansion in Costa Rica or Uruguay.

Uruguay could also be where another AA11 9/11 vicsim Alberto Dominguez, is now living.
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/guestbo ... &pid=91789

http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/me ... /1340.html

Check out the surname of the US Ambassadoor in Uruguay
http://montevideo.usembassy.gov/usaweb/ ... 03EN.shtml

In the same way that vicsims Mark Rothenberg & Janice Ashley, share an attachment to prominent 9/11 truth activists, so too does Alberto Dominguez.

http://www.911oz.com/vbulletin/showpost ... ostcount=7

[fred]

Please dont think Angell just picked up the phone and called his old pals from Pentagon and said:

" Hey guys, I heard you are going to do an event and I have talked to my wife about living in Costa Rica so if you need any dead guys I am available cos we are read to check out so could you sign me up as a vicsim"

Let's assume David Angell is a real person (for this post) and that his biographical details before 9/11 are accurate.

We assume based on the publicly available information that:

1. He's the rich producer of a couple of long-running TV shows that have been making him millions for decades.

2. He spent many years in the Pentagon.

3. People in his immediate circle of friends are "best friends" with Bill and Hillary Clinton.

We know from our own research that the story of his death is a hoax, and was used to bolster the effectiveness of a military-media covert operation.

We're now trying to figure out what happened to David Angell and his wife.

Given the man's background and connections, I think we can rule out his being an unwitting-dupe or victim.

To my mind, the most likely explanation is that he was an insider who had expressed some interest in starting a new life as an unknown or disappearing completely, had few family ties or close friends outside of the "perp" circles with whom he would have to permanently sever contact, and was completely on-board with the 9/11 operation from its very beginning.

He's probably re-invented himself overseas in posh surroundings and maybe even stays in touch with his old pals who can be trusted to keep his secret. He's now one tens of thousands of rich retired millionaires. His face isn't so recognizable to the public that he can't turn up in Monte Carlo without a crowd demanding autographs.

To my mind, that's a plausible scenario, but I'm sure there are many others that would fit with our current understanding.

Bill Clinton was probably sitting with him drinking beers and saying, "Have you ever thought about becoming an astronaut? We're doing another moon landing and we need some good people that we can trust to keep a secret forever. We can't pay you much, but you'll be given a new identity and will be secretly awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom."

The guy has all of the money he needs, so the allure of being part of some giant scam or glorious secret operation while still having plenty of time to write was probably too good to pass up. For the right person, it's a pretty exciting offer.

[D.Duck]

Hoi,

Now you are being stupid cos if you look on "youtube" and type in Frasier, Cheers, Wings and take a look, his name is all over the place and has been since 1982 to 2001 and you are telling me you didn't look????

Go down to your block buster rent a video/DVD and look at the back and its all over the place.

Call your Mother or anyone else and ask her to look at the back of a DVD or Video cos they sold like crazy and there are fan clubs that have them.

We are talking about a big guy but not a front face and maybe I am asking to much of you cos you dont seem to understand those guys profiles.

There is no chance in hell you can get any family picture of any writer from any block buster TV- show and I understand you dont know that.

I will explain:

Its like if you want a family picture of the manager/recording engineer of U2, Rolling Stones or Bruce Spingsteen, those guys are not in the lime light and dont want to be and there are not many pictures of them, of course some of them are like George Martin/Beatles.

I really dont know why there is an R instead of an L but that's not important now cos we will probably find out later.

ASCAP and STIM keeps track of royalties and is world wide.

I have never seen a more clear case then this and I could just base it on that no one of his supposedly co conspirators when mention his name brings up 9/11.

You just have to look for yourself and when you have looked at Cheers, Frasier Wings and all the links I have given you, please come back and tell me what you think.

Is that so much to ask? cos the credits are in the beginning of all shows.

I need your inputs on this one when you are ready.


TTYL
D.Duck

[simonshack]

Ok, folks.

Let me propose a new (simplified) dimension of this "famous dead people" debate.

- We know there was NO "flight11" - and NO "flight77".

- We know that NBC and CNN were involved with the 9/11 hoax

- "David Angell"("flight11") and "Barbara Olson"("flight77") were (apparently) NBC and CNN personalities.

Why should we even spend so much of our time to find out precisely how these 2 "TV stars" disappeared from public view (if they ever existed)?

Don't we have more important matters to tackle at this time?

[fred]

The credits don't mean much, because people are always putting fake names in credits. I can send 20 to any charity in the world and they'll list "David Angell" as a contributor. Most writers and actors use pen names rather than their real names.

Right now I'm going with "professional Pentagon spook and writer who stayed out of the public eye" who had the connections, background, and desire to participate in 9/11.

Which is a better legacy: being an rich old retired sitcom writer, or being some kind of James Bond international man of mystery? The guy can still write sitcoms under a different name and get listed in credits all day long. He's probably a writer on the Daily Show emailing in jokes. He can tell his new friends at the Yacht Club in Patagonia that he's a retired mineral water millionaire and Antarctic explorer.

Who's going to suspect that he wrote Frasier and got killed on 9/11? Unless he tells somebody or we track him down, nobody who knows him as "David Nagel the mineral water king of Massachusetts" is going to see him as anything other than some rich retired American expat.

[fred]

Why should we even spend so much of our time to find out precisely how these 2 "TV stars" disappeared from public view (if they ever existed)?

Don't we have more important matters to tackle at this time?

Well, the famous dead people are one of the last un-explained pieces of the puzzle, and they allow people who are scared to step out of the matrix to cling to their delusions a little bit longer.

If we could get a "Lady Booth" picture of the Frasier writer back at his old summer house we'd have a major victory on our hands.

This guy has had it easy because nobody was looking for him. He may still be at his old house and that's why they're tampering with the mortgage records as we speak. These clowns are terrified of being discovered. Would you rather be David Angell's secret new identity right now or Mark Humphrey or Gary Welz after things turn ugly?

One is rich and anonymous, the other two have to worry about crossing the street or standing out on the balcony. In my opinion, the people who are outed are basically walking around with a bullseye painted on their foreheads. They need to consider major plastic surgery and relocation.

Showing a few of these assholes that there's no such thing as a clean getaway will go a long way to shutting down their operation. They've had a carefree charmed existence and 9 years of worry-free bliss. Now its time for them to consider overdosing on their prescription pills or spending a dull life behind bars.

Is anybody in France thinking about building Versailles? Showing the Neil Armstrongs and Miriam Hyman's of the world that there's actually some downside to being a professional scam artist will make others reluctant to follow in their footsteps. Let's help the funny man be a neocon hero--somebody should tie him to a smart bomb and drop him on a street corner in Tehran. Stuff him in a bag without his shoes and leave him in a TSA X-ray machine. Put him in an orange jumpsuit. Have him kidnapped by space alien NASA UFO's. Do something!

I'd like to know where he's currently enjoying his retirement and how he's adjusting to undercover life.

[idschmyd]

"...the famous dead people are one of the last un-explained pieces of the puzzle, and they allow people who are scared to step out of the matrix to cling to their delusions a little bit longer."

They're also interesting for those compelled to puzzle over a puzzle. But just for fun. Sideline these major league sims; or mainstream them; a trophy for anyone who can crack one of the bast'ds. They didn't die on planes.

Do the seemingly real relatives know what's going on? Marisa Berenson is with the UN,

http://tampabaycoalition.homestead.com/ ... Friend.htm
As a goodwill ambassador for the European arm of the United Nations, [Marisa] Berenson has for years helped promote tolerance and peace around the world. Her sister’s death has made this mission personal

http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0015/0 ... 56901m.pdf
?the UNESCO-Berry Berenson Perkins Fund for Non-Violence Education for children in distress was created. Ms [Marisa] Berenson requested that this fund be named after her sister, who died tragically on board American Airlines Flight 11,? terrorist attacks? September 11, 2001.


Oz’s career goes comparatively wild as of 2001, year of Dorky Dave in Legally Blonde IMDB for Oz].

And Elvis, musically he’s a bit of an agent, but that’s just my taste. Here on Letterman. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmEoUNWQ ... re=related.

It's all speculation. I'm currently unable to fathom how it works whether the lady lived, died, still lives or none of the above, and not having contacts in such high society...

Great debate. Don't stall to read this!

[D.Duck]

Fred,

This guy has had it easy because nobody was looking for him.

Sure he had an easy ride until now cos all of us were not pushing hard in that direction, but that has changed.

One week ago we started to go hardcore and now the 404 start to show up,lol.

Showing a few of these assholes that there's no such thing as a clean getaway will go a long way to shutting down their operation.

They are still getting hired cos they think its safe and many of these guys gets a kick being in on something secret cos the folks that are not up in the food chain sits in offices 9 to 5 writing jokes or in front of a computer editing pictures, not a very exiting life.

That's why I think its important to be on his case.

One thing I know 100% is that you can never leave Military/FBI/CIA if you left as friends to do something else.

You know you can always get a call and be asked to do something and most guys I have known over the years, cant wait until they get that call.

So I think you are on the money when you say he got a call from the Clints or maybe our Ralphey E called him cos they are the same age.

I'd like to know where he's currently enjoying his retirement and how he's adjusting to undercover life.

Well, lets find out.


Best
D.Duck

[hoi.polloi]

I disagree with Simon that there are more important matters. I think this is a crucial thing to clear up and I think D.Duck is onto something. I just think we have to be careful about how we approach all our investigations.

D.Duck, I watched your video but actors who work for NBC mentioning past meetings with a group of people that includes David Angell is just not cutting it for me. Sorry if that's enough for you and my doubt is offensive, but that is how I operate. A name simply doesn't mean that much in my opinion. It's a good clue, but I'd hardly say I am being more stupid than you are being hyperbolic.

I want to encourage you, not discourage you, but I just want more information and I think you know something that we don't know and you can use that to do your investigation and come back to us with more.

I told you what I want to see. Did I say I doubt Wings and Frasier were real existing shows that I never saw on any kind of television? No, I've seen both shows and I actually thought Frasier could be pretty funny at times but I thought Wings was so lame (and short-lived) that it may be a cover for something else. Maybe Frasier is just a more sophisticated cover for the same thing. Did you notice that youtube clip where they 'sneak in' outer space alien paranoia on the fictional radio station the character Frasier works at? I don't doubt there are really Pentagon people at work sending out disinformation using NBC sitcoms. I joke about that a lot actually with my friends.

But when you are so adamant that I absorb something crucial about David Angell, I just have to remain unswayed until I see something really powerfully moving. To me, he is just a backstopped sim. To you, there is a person behind that and that is fine. Let's nab him then!

[Brutal Metal]

What about the video that D Duck posted at the beginning of this thread where a person with a greying beard named David Angell was interviewed with 2 other colleages about the birth of Frasier before Sept 11,2001? Who is that?
I like the theory about relocation to a foreign country and assuming a new identity, it seems he was a real person..