I am pretty convinced I am within my rights to release it under the circumstances. Having permission to record is strong consent. They asked to review it, but when I wanted to continue our weird relationship post-interview they said they didn't want to. So I guess what we got is what we got.
We are kind of just meeting - Simon and myself - and so we are excited to speculate about everything. What is going on? Who do you trust? etc. etc. I just finished the Vicsim Report
and so 10 days later there was apparently this long-planned wedding. Simon invited me, and I was excited to eat food at the wedding so I said yes!
We went to the end of the wedding, got bored, and decided to go to the afterparty which sounded more interesting. We get to this sort of golf-course looking thing and outside the building where there is going to be a big dinner, there are snack tables. Near one of them, there is this apparent couple talking loudly. I didn't notice them at the wedding but Simon and I didn't go to the wedding long. We just wanted snacks and to socialize. Me, I was looking forward to mainly food. Haha!
They were talking about war, nearby Simon, and saying 'what are we in this war for?' etc. and Simon being Simon inserted himself into the conversation and was like 'Well you know there's this propaganda system' and whatnot and talking about his research. The lady looked weird, like with sun-glasses on all the time, and the guy made me think fake luxury for some reason. Kind of 'tropical' white people to me. Simon had called me over because they were telling him they had a son who knew someone who died. The name of the person who died was 'Beto Soweto' and they were on Flight 93, the one that crashed in a field.
I thought 'Wow! 93 - the very airplane that is most definitely a fake. That's interesting.' I also noticed how 'Beto Soweto' sounded like a mnemonic device for South Africans.
Fascinated and instantly suspicious of them, I politely asked if that's true, can we get in touch with the son? The woman - who had been giving a sort of Alex Jones-ish speech in her shiny glasses about evil government - tagged her male counterpart and said 'Yes, why don't you give him his phone number and/or e-mail?' so the guy writes in my schedule 'Loris.Centola@ubs.com
' and I thank him, and wonder what kind of crazy conversation this could lead to. And why are we being led to talk to this guy? Simon recalled that it felt very weird how they engaged him in the conversation without officially engaging him.
Later, the man calls 'Loris' on his portable phone and then hangs up and says to Simon, 'Oh sorry, it's not Beto Soweto. It's Carlos Montoya and he was on flight AA11 - the first flight that crashed into the first tower' and such.
So that's all the info we get out of them, but the bride says they are old family friends and seemed to find their behavior strange in some way. Or maybe not.
So we go back to Simon's and look up Montoya. He is obviously one of the worst fakes ever - with strange copied textures and face bits.
So we start laughing and wondering what this Loris Centela "LOW-riss CHENT-oh-la" is going to say. Simon finds a comment left by a Loris Centola on the Boston University memorial (By the way, we noticed that the name is vaguely like Loorse Change-ola) which only says, "Ciao Beto. I feel you next to me when I work, when I sleep, when I watch the disaster on TV, while I'm living. You'll be always alive in my heart. I see you soon, my friend." - Loris Centola, Friend of BU, 11 September 2002
Now it's getting really weird. What could he have meant by "see you soon" exactly? Simon finds a picture of Loris as well, which looks just as peculiar. He is standing in front of a marathon or something.
So now I start to doubt this Loris identity, but I am fascinated that UBS would be involved because of the Enron disaster, etc. so I wonder what he has to say about that stuff too. So we e-mail him telling him about how we supposedly met his parents but we don't trust him and we'd like to talk with him and record a conversation in Skype and ask for his help solving 9/11.
Oddly, he agrees! The only thing I can think of is that he can't appear to be suspicious at first, and they have to give him plausible reason to be suspicious before they ask him to withdraw from conversing with people who obviously think he is full of sh#t. So for whatever reason, we make arrangements on Skype. But then I started wondering if this is like an interactive live Role Playing Game they've set up with the whole 9/11 thing, because now I was thinking, 'Just why in the heck would this person agree to talk to someone who believes it's all fake and even thinks they are fake? How much of his personality is reserved for this 9/11 story and how much is real, if any?'
At this point, of course, we are still reeling from the observations we've made on the victim photos and CNN and we're going publicly with the notion that maybe
someone really died. So that's how we introduce ourselves. I say I'm Hoi Polloi and that's significant if he wants to look it up. And that's what may have allowed this Loris to play like he was really interested instead of concerned. Then, he allowed concern to show through on the day of the interview, typing to me in Skype "this is weird" and I basically said "I know it is! But I think this could be a good thing..." and so he agrees. Then we record the conversation.
At the end, we agree to another time, whatever that even means. But then something odd happens. He writes me an e-mail saying he discovered the Vicsim Report
and was furious. This was strange since I had explained to him that I thought the victims might be fake. I asked him to point out the site, he replied that he didn't know where he had gotten it. This was the night that 911movement.org disappeared. He said he wished to cut off all further contact with me, and hence even though he didn't want to review it, said that I shouldn't publish it. I didn't have plans on publishing it, but it is within my rights to do so. I informed him I didn't have plans, but he didn't respond. That's it.
This conversation is funny. The circumstances are bizarre. Nothing that appears to be going on is reliable. It is almost like we are having an average conversation except ... not.
I will state for the record that I had the privilege of initiating the conversation honestly stating that I didn't trust them or who they said they were and doubted everything they said, that I believed it was possible that nobody died and yet they continued
to accept those terms, even as they came closer and closer to being interviewed under those terms. From that standpoint, I am certainly allowed to say that this is the basic context of the interview: myself, being very wary and welcome and skeptical of all information coming at me while maintaining an excessively apologetic, conversational tone just to keep it going and get a measure on him ... and the other voice, acknowledging my mistrust, seemingly being saddened by it, but teasing me about it while still coming closer and closer, doing the interview and then going away.
Indeed, the entire interview - if it can be called that - might do nothing for listeners but establish very concretely that I am a bad investigator, that I have wasted a great deal of my time trying to be absurdly polite and conversational with a disembodied voice that - on the surface - has markings of an apparently legitimate, innocent individual. Maybe some people will hear this and think I was wrong to start out the interview on the basis of complete mistrust or wrong to accept the invitation to interview them in the first place.
On the other hand, we did just sort of 'happen' across this interview a couple days after the Vicsim Report
was published. Obviously, what is going on here is very, very, very
weird and I understand if nobody believes that this was a real conversation. It was real. So what we ended up with is a long, rambling recording of me - who doubts
all the 9/11 victim deaths - putting a lot of myself into a sort of informational black hole, and receiving something in return from a voice that partially supports
the official story of 9/11 victim deaths. So hopefully listeners can study what happened and take some lessons from it and judge for themselves the value of what is going on here. Anyway, much ado about nothing. Here is that excessively strange and actually rather hilarious conversation:
HOI TALKS WITH LORIS CENTOLA: http://www.septemberclues.info/vicsims/ ... i_1mp3.mp3
(no longer valid download link of same audio) DOWNLOAD: http://www.zshare.net/audio/76367798651853ec/