Thanks, Hoi!hoi.polloi 4 Feb 15 2010, 06:31 AM wrote: Powerful research, Tsu!
And it's common knowledge that NASA was born out of the remnants of Nazi Germany.
I want to hear more about this. I understand the United States hired a lot of Nazis after WWII and offered them political freedom. I also understand there may have been some disturbing "overlap" between the time before the Nazis were "defeated" and after the war. In other words, there may have been some downright orchestration going on when it comes to how certain inhuman experiments were released to the public under the guise of "war crimes" by "evil bad guys" when - in theory - the war was used as a convenient cover for scientific collaboration between several countries as they experimented on the populace.
Do you think it could be discussed in another thread, though?
A "Nazi" thread is a great idea. A lot can be discussed there, including the visible connections between the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the Paperclip Nazis. It's arguable that the Nazi element was a very significant one:
-The CIA was a central part of the assassination operation, and it had Nazis taken into the US to work against the Soviet Union. At the time of the Kennedy assassination, there were many Nazis working inside the Agency. One of these Nazis was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's intelligence chief over Russia, who created the BND, which became the CIA's siamese twin in fighting the Soviets.
http://www.amazon.com/Farewell-Justice- ... 133&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/Plausible-Denial- ... 1560250488
-Allen Dulles, who power behind the Warren Commission, was fired by Kennedy, was tied to every suspect, and orchestrated the Bay of Pigs, was the mastermind of Paperclip and a lawyer for both Standard Oil and IG Farben (Nazi war machine).
http://books.google.ca/books?id=7n_sF3P ... 22&f=false
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/show ... 3&id2=4180
-Oswald was a CIA operative in Russia part of the "Fake-Defectors"/"Infiltration-Of-Russia" program, which was handled by Reinhard Gehlen, a Paperclip Nazi who was Hitler's intelligence chief over Russia.
http://www.nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/ji ... sparks.MP3
-As a radar operator, Oswald was stationed at the CIA's clandestine air base in Atsugi, Japan (A site where MKULTRA experiments were conducted). Atsugi housed a training camp run by Reinhard Gehlen and his group of Paperclip Nazis.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brusse ... ssass.html
-Jack Ruby's lawyer, Melvin Belli (Who would later represent Sirhan Sirhan), was the estate lawyer of Hermann Goering's widow. He also protected the family interests of Errol Flynn, who had collaborated with the Gestapo.
http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/misc/melvin-belli/
-John J. McCloy was on the Warren Commission. If Dulles was the real chief of the Warren Commission (Which he was), then McCloy was his second-in-command. "I never saw a case that was more completely proven," he said of the Commission's conclusions. McCloy shared a box with Adolf Hitler at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. He was in contact with Nazi leader Rudolph Hess. McCloy blocked executions of Nazi war criminals, commuted their sentences, and allowed them early releases during the Nuremberg Trials, when he was assistant secretary at the War Department. During the war, he refused to have Nazi concentration camps bombed. Klaus Barbie, a Gestapo war criminal, was shielded by McCloy. Chase Manhattan Bank had been a huge supporter of the Nazis -- From 1953 to 1960, McCloy was Chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank. He was also, like Dulles, a lawyer for IG Farben of the Nazi war machine.
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index ... topic=8552
http://books.google.ca/books?id=7n_sF3P ... on&f=false
-George de Mohrenschildt was Oswald's best friend in Dallas. During World War II, he was identified as a Nazi intelligence agent. His uncle distributed Nazi propaganda films and his cousin was connected to the Nazis. Despite the fact that Hoover's FBI had identified Oswald as a Nazi agent, the Warren Commission discussed de Mohrenschildt, but did not address his Nazi links. This is especially strange, since Hoover's FBI was aware of the ties between this man and the Nazis.
http://www.ctrl.org/essay2/NCTJFKA.html
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo ... cademo.htm
-J. Edgar Hoover was in charge of the field investigation of the assassination. Hoover was friendly with the Nazis at Interpol, the international secret police. Hoover maintained a supportive and friendly relationship with the Nazis until the very last minute (Days before Pearl Harbor), a change of heart that appeared to have more to do with his concern for his public image. After the war, Hoover became Vice President of Interpol -- it refused to go after Nazi war criminals. In the 1970s, Interpol's President became Paul Dickopf, a former Nazi SS officer.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brusse ... ssass.html
-Lee Harvey Oswald's pro-Castro leaflets were marked with the address "544 Camp St." -- this was the side entrance of the building that housed the detective offices of W. Guy Banister, a former Naval Intelligence agent and FBI chief who now worked as a CIA operative in helping to prepare for anti-Castro operations/raids. He had a training camp for anti-Castro guerillas in New Orleans. According to a number of witnesses, Oswald was present in his office and David Ferrie, widely regarded as Oswald's mentor and as a participant in the plot, "practically lived" at his office, according to a number of witnesses, including Banister's secretary/mistress (Delphine Roberts) and his private investigator (A military-intelligence veteran and CIA operative named Jack Martin). Banister was an important conspirator, and was one of Oswald's handlers -- he helped him develop a pro-Castro image. Now, for the Nazi connection: Banister was the chief of the Anti-Communist League of the Caribbean, a section of the World Anti-Communist League, created by Charles Willoughby, a Major General in the US Army. Willoughby was a fascist who received awards from the Mussolini government. He spoke passionately in favor of Spanish fascist dictator and Nazi ally Franco. Willoughby maintained close, friendly, supportive ties to Nazi allies all over the world. He even spoke with a German accent.
http://www.amazon.com/Trail-Assassins-J ... 0446362778
http://spitfirelist.com/anti-fascist-ar ... ague-pt-2/
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brusse ... ssass.html
-Justo Valerio Borghese, the "money-man" of the Italian fascists, was rescued from execution by James J. Angleton. Angleton supervised Oswald's movements, was a key figure in the cover-up, and was instrumental in molding the Agency-approved "conspiracy theory" -- that Oswald shot Kennedy as part of a Communist conspiracy.
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl ... f%26sa%3DG
-Clay L. Shaw was the director of the International Trade Mart of New Orleans, as well as a clandestine CIA agent. Jim Garrison charged him with involvement in the Kennedy assassination. He denied even knowing Oswald or his mentor, David Ferrie -- a number of witnesses swore under oath that during the voter registration drive in Clinton, Louisiana, a black cadillac pulled up and out came Oswald, who stood in the line to register. The driver of the car was identified by these witnesses as Clay Shaw, while the man in the passenger seat was identified as David Ferrie. On another occasion, a witness named Vern Bundy saw Oswald at the lakefront -- a black car pulled up and out came Shaw, who handed him what looked like a roll of money. Perry Russo and Charles Spiesel both saw Ferrie, Oswald, and Shaw together -- in both cases, they discussed plans to murder JFK. Now, for the Nazi connection: Shaw was a close friend of Hjalmar Schacht, father-in-law of Otto Skorenzy, a Nazi officer who led operations for the Nazis during the war, and was unrepentant after the war. Shaw participated in Operation Paperclip (The operation that brought the Nazis over). Alternative Italian papers reported that Shaw had a history as a CIA man who had attempted to revive fascism in Italy. He belonged to Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC), which controlled his International Trade Mart -- CMC was a consortium of Italian fascists, the paramilitary right of Europe, and DOD/CIA. Shaw was on CMC's board, as well as the board of Permindex -- both companies had intimate links to the Nazis.
http://www.amazon.com/Trail-Assassins-J ... 0446362778
http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Fred%20Crisman.htm
-Much of the evidence against Lee Oswald came from Ruth and Michael Paine. The Paines got Oswald the job at the Book Depository. Paine provided a garage for Oswald's possessions. In her garage were the "Backyard Photo" forgeries. Ruth Paine's mother was the mistress of Allen Dulles, mastermind of Paperclip and a lawyer for IG Farben (Nazi war machine). Michael Paine was employed by Bell Helicopter, where his immediate superior was General Walter Dornberger, a Nazi military scientist who was brought into the US as part of Paperclip.
http://www.mail-archive.com/political-r ... 10247.html
-When Oswald went to Mexico City, his bus companion was Albert Osborne, who used the alias John Howard Bowen. Since 1934, Osborne had run a school for marksmen in Mexico. He was an identified fascist who opposed American involvement in WWII. He had run a camp for boys called the Campfire Council -- neighbors complained this was a front for pro-Nazi/Fascist activities. Osborne had connections to Centro Mondiale Commerciale.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Mae%20Brusse ... ssass.html
-Mikhail Lebedev wrote Treason For My Daily Bread, in which he claims that Martin Bormann moved to Paraguay and paid an agent, code-named "Zed", to shoot Kennedy. The murder weapon was a .45, and "Zed" was positioned in the storm sewer on Elm. Interestingly, a .45 slug was found in Dealey Plaza after the assassination. The man who found it was Buddy Walthers, a Dallas cop. Walthers was sent to a motel room to question Walter Cherry, an escaped convict and double murder suspect. Cherry shot Walthers dead. Walthers had been sent on this dangerous mission by the Sheriff, who had ordered all deputies to stand down on the day of the assassination.
http://www.amazon.com/Treason-daily-Mik ... 0905589009
-When Garrison was staking out Ferrie's apartment (Ferrie was Oswald's mentor), he found that he was frequently visited by Dante Marachini. Marachini lived at 1309 Dauphine Street -- next door was Clay Shaw's home. Also listed at that address was James Lewallen, who had once shared an apartment with David Ferrie, and who claimed that he, Shaw, and Ferrie all had sexual relations with one another. Marachini worked at Reily Coffee company at the same time as Oswald. He had begun work there at the exact same day Oswald did, and left several weeks after Oswald did. He went to work for the Chrysler Aerospace Division at NASA. Everyone who had a connection to Oswald at Reily Coffee had left the company -- Alfred Claude, who hired Oswald, had left the company to work for the Chrysler Division at NASA. Emmett Barbie, Oswald's immediate boss at Reily, had left the company to start a career with NASA. John Branyon, who worked with Oswald at the company, had left to work for NASA. What about Lewallen? Well, he went to work for Boeing out at - you guessed it - NASA! This is significant in regards to a Nazi connection, because NASA was, at this time, completely under Nazi control.
http://www.maebrussell.com/Garrison/On% ... ssins.html