Discussion about suspicions around the German New Medicine

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Discussion about suspicions around the German New Medicine

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For the main topic about the German New Medicine see http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f= ... 28c2ebf2ad
sharpstuff wrote: Wed Jan 19, 2022 8:15 am In case you are not aware, the entity called Caroline Markolin, Ph.D. She has been called into disrepute regarding her work on Dr. Hamer.
I think cluesforum is a good place to discuss this information. I have also wondered about this. I have had no contact with Caroline Markolin as far as I can remember, but I often point her website learninggnm.com out to English speakers. I use it myself on occasion.

Ilsedora Laker, who has 2 English websites about the GNM, https://www.gnmonlineseminars.com/, and http://www.newmedicine.ca has accused Caroline of being some kind of liar because she had written that she is the representative of Dr. Haler. I listened to 2 conversations she put on her website between Dr. Hamer and friends of her (Ilsedora Laker). In those conversations, Dr. Hamer distances himself from Caroline Markolin and tells he works with Ilsedora Laker, he was even planning to take legal action against Caroline.
The conversations can be listened to at http://www.newmedicine.ca/update.php

It is also possible that Dr. Hamer was "tricked" by Ilsedora. Ilsedora and Caroline are clearly "competitors" on the same "market". Both English speaking and even working in the same Country (Canada). Ilsedora calls herself "Ilsedora Laker, the first Canadian German New Medicine educator and consultant authorized by Dr. Hamer," but I haven't seen any proof yet.

I find the following accusation very strange, on the last page I linked to:
It recently came to my attention that my private e-mail had been compromised.

The missing files were recordings of Dr. Hamer in conversation with 2 interested parties that wanted to know the truth about the allegations Caroline Markolin had made against me on her website
What could be gained by only deleting recordings sent to Ilsedora ?

In one of her attacks on Caroline Markolin she advises women to go along with conventional medicine, both chemo and surgery. Dr. Hamer did recommend surgery if natural healing was troublesome but never chemo as far as I know.
From http://www.newmedicine.ca/statement.php
When a massive breast tumor develops, conventional medicine will first give chemo therapy and radiation before they would even consider surgery. In her case, that is what was offered to her.

My response to her was that she had little choice, if you do nothing the tumor could visibly decompose in front of her eyes. This can occur in some cases. Markolin does not seem to be bothered by this and will encourage women to do this based on how she understands the GNM.
Here is an article from Ilsedora about Caroline and other "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves"
https://www.gnmonlineseminars.com/gypsi ... ry-lesson/

She also warns About Björn Eybl, the author of the book I recommended earlier https://www.gnmonlineseminars.com/cows-milk-bjorn-eybl/
I don't know Björn, but I know the person who translated his book to Dutch and I trust her.

Caroline Markolin also has a page where she exposes people that plagiarize the discoveries by Dr. Hamer. I see nothing suspicious about it, I recognize many of the names that Dr. Hamer himself warned about. She doesn't mention Ilsedora Laker, nor Björn Eybl. https://learninggnm.com/documents/why_gnm.html

Do you have other evidence sharpstuff?
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Re: Discussion about suspicions around the German New Medicine

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My Dear Seneca,

Seneca wrote:
Do you have other evidence sharpstuff?
I am not quite sure what you mean by your question but for what it is worth…

I was unaware of all these machinations regarding Dr. Hamer’s work! I discovered GNM through Caroline’s site and watched her videos with interest. given that his work seemed to coincide with a book I found years ago, called: The Trauma Trap by David Muss.

I had no idea of the conflict between the to ladies until later but I did not pursue it.

I have read with interest what you have written. It is all very strange. Listening to the first questioning of Dr. Hamer regarding Ilsedora he only says she works with/for (?) him.

One thing I noticed is that Ilsedora Laker says (on her page). quote:

‘After Fisslinger was exposed, Dr. Hamer was forced to copyright his existing work. Unfortunately in order to copyright his intellectual property, he also had to change the name of his brain child from “New Medicine” to “German/ Germanic New Medicine” simply because a copyright in the original name was “disallowed”. Why it was disallowed was never explained.’

However, I always understood that when a work was created it was automatically copyright, providing, I assume that an original draft of the work was provided in case of a dispute. I stand corrected, of course. That being said, I have linked to this site with a relevant paragraph.

https://www.copyrightlaws.com/introduct ... right-law/

‘Automatic Copyright Protection

In Berne member countries around the world, copyright protection is automatic upon the creation of a work in a fixed form (i.e., once the work is in some sort of tangible form). This means that no registration or deposit with a government copyright office is required in order to have copyright protection.

There are, however, voluntary government registration systems where copyright owners can register their works, thereby gaining entitlement to certain benefits, especially in cases of copyright infringement of their works.

Similarly, the use of the copyright symbol isn't mandatory under the Berne Convention and by extension in its member countries. However, using the symbol — © — is always a good reminder to the public that copyright exists in a work.’

With such an important work, it seems that Dr. Hamer’s work is rife for the creation of all these fanciful ‘alternative’ seminars to abound and thus become part of the fight against genuine research and muddy the waters of genuine research. It seems similar to the rivalry between Bechamp and Pasteur. The apparent rivalry between Carolina and Ilsedora is difficult to pin down.

Unless we can see or hear exactly what is and what isn’t in the (may we say) interpretation of Dr. Hamer’s work we may be none the wiser as to who is what. In short, I have no idea what it is all about.

Be well.
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Re: Discussion about suspicions around the German New Medicine

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I didn't know much about copyright but this seams correct. I have a crazy theory that the inventor of the GNM was "replaced" at a point in time. This would perhaps give a reason to change the name in order tot get a new copyright. Another element is that there has been so little development in the last 30 ? years of Dr. Hamer's life.
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