THE NUKE HOAX

by **ozzybinoswald** on September 28th, 2010, 11:05 pm

by **simonshack** on September 28th, 2010, 11:15 pm

ozzybinoswald 4 Sep 28 2010, 10:05 PM wrote: Have you completely lost it?
One of many Yahoo groups I once moderated. This one was started by somebody else who handed it over to me.

Holy fuck. The shill has wormed right into your brain.

I like worms, actually. We all know that worms are only to be found in mature fruits.

by **hoi.polloi** on September 30th, 2010, 5:01 am

Nuclear energy and nuclear weapons. Two very different things. Let's examine a bit. This is tough work.

If there was ever an official-sounding moment that historically distinguished between people invested in making nuclear power and actually making nuclear power a viable energy source, it might be somewhere around Ernest Rutherford.

"The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford

Apparently, infuriated by this comment by Rutherford, Leó Szilárd invented the first nuclear energy device out of invention's sake.

There is more to the inspiration, though, according to other stories ...

Scientists of the time were well aware that the slow natural radioactive decay of elements like radium continues for thousands of years, and that while the rate of energy release is negligible, the total amount released is huge. Wells used this as the basis for his story. In his fiction [Wells wrote:]
The problem which was already being mooted by such scientific men as Ramsay, Rutherford, and Soddy, in the very beginning of the twentieth century, the problem of inducing radio-activity in the heavier elements and so tapping the internal energy of atoms, was solved by a wonderful combination of induction, intuition, and luck by [fictionalized name] Holsten so soon as the year 1933.

In other words, the concept of nuclear weapons was first introduced to us as a fictional concept in a fantasy novel - as an extension of imaginative guesswork. This italic text is from science fiction writer H.G.Wells' The World Set Free which, as a fascinating summation of our dear globalists' imagination, is described on Wikipedia in this way:

The physicist Leó Szilárd read the book during 1932, conceived the idea of nuclear chain reaction during 1933, and filed for patents for it during 1934. Soddy's book Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt praises The World Set Free.

Virtually putting H.G.Wells' prediction into practice.

Wells further wrote:
Certainly it seems now that nothing could have been more obvious to the people of the earlier twentieth century than the rapidity with which war was becoming impossible. And as certainly they did not see it. They did not see it until the atomic bombs burst in their fumbling hands[...] All through the nineteenth and twentieth centuries the amount of energy that men were able to command was continually increasing. Applied to warfare that meant that the power to inflict a blow, the power to destroy, was continually increasing[...]There was no increase whatever in the ability to escape[...]Destruction was becoming so facile that any little body of malcontents could use it[...]Before the last war began it was a matter of common knowledge that a man could carry about in a handbag an amount of latent energy sufficient to wreck half a city.

Wells viewed war as the inevitable result of the Modern State; the introduction of atomic energy in a world divided resulted in the collapse of society. The only possibilities remaining were "either the relapse of mankind to agricultural barbarism from which it had emerged so painfully or the acceptance of achieved science as the basis of a new social order." Wells's theme of world government is presented as a solution to the threat of nuclear weapons. It is possible that several years of nuclear terrorism could frighten world leaders so much that they are willing to consider a one world government, seeking "peace and safety", for example.
From the first they had to see the round globe as one problem; it was impossible any longer to deal with it piece by piece. They had to secure it universally from any fresh outbreak of atomic destruction, and they had to ensure a permanent and universal pacification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Set_Free

It is interesting to note that Mr. Szilárd's book on debt had a strong opinion about fake money (debt and modern money) versus real natural capital (real wealth and resources). In it, he wrote:

"Debts are subject to the laws of mathematics rather than physics. Unlike wealth, which is subject to the laws of thermodynamics, debts do not rot with old age and are not consumed in the process of living. On the contrary, they grow at so much per cent per annum, by the well-known mathematical laws of simple and compound interest ... It is this underlying confusion between wealth and debt which has made such a tragedy of the scientific era."

I would agree with this statement, somewhat. I would also venture to say that he might have known very much that this kind of social idea - juxtaposed against his inevitably famous realization of the (formerly?) fictional weapon Wells talks about - would offset any doubt that he knows the difference between reality and virtual reality.

Back to H.G.Wells' story, the 'doubters' Wells wrote about as "mooting" the point of radioactive power were Rutherford, and William Ramsay and student Soddy.

Ramsay was one of the first scientists to appreciate the possibility of radiotherapy, studying with his medical colleagues the "curative action of radioactive substances in malignant disease"; indeed, Travers goes so far as to say that in this "he stood alone" (209). Ironically, and possibly as a result of his exposure to radioactive substances, he himself died of nasal cancer at the age of 63, not long after his retirement to Hazlemere in Buckinghamshire. A school there has since been named after him. Amongst other memorials to him, there is a wall-plaque in Westminster Abbey, a Ramsay Memorial Fellowship at University College, and a plaque to commemorate his work at the site of his laboratory, now occupied by the Slade School of Art.

In later life, it seems, Ramsay may have become a little harder to work with. Travers knew him a good deal more intimately than Tilden, and he includes a criticism of "the Chief" by another of his collaborators, Frederich Soddy, to the effect that that he was rather too quick "to let go sheet anchors" and trust his own findings (qtd. in Travers 292). However, without such leaps of faith Ramsay might never have made the discoveries that he did make. There was also a problem because of the war, when Ramsay created a stir by turning violently against the German scientific community, with which he had for so long had a very close and fruitful relationship. No doubt, as George Kaufmann generously suggests, this is best seen in the context of the time, and of his own painful illness.

http://www.victorianweb.org/science/ramsay.html

Frederich Soddy himself was apparently an interesting character - also interested in monetary issues and the politics of war. He apparently proposed something like a Federal Reserve.

Soddy published The Interpretation of Radium (1909) and Atomic Transmutation (1953). In 1914 he was appointed to a chair at the University of Aberdeen, where he worked on research related to World War I. In 1919 he moved to Oxford University as Dr Lee's Professor of Chemistry, where, in the period up till 1936, he reorganized the laboratories and the syllabus in chemistry. He received the 1921 Nobel Prize in chemistry for his research in radioactive decay and particularly for his formulation of the theory of isotopes.

In four books written from 1921 to 1934, Soddy carried on a "quixotic campaign for a radical restructuring of global monetary relationships", offering a perspective on economics rooted in physics--the laws of thermodynamics, in particular--and was "roundly dismissed as a crank". While most of his proposals - "to abandon the gold standard, let international exchange rates float, use federal surpluses and deficits as macroeconomic policy tools that could counter cyclical trends, and establish bureaus of economic statistics (including a consumer price index) in order to facilitate this effort" - are now conventional practice, his critique of fractional-reserve banking still "remains outside the bounds of conventional wisdom".

It's slightly unclear who is framing Soddy's story of grounding us in reality instead of virtual reality as "outside the bounds of conventional wisdom." It is interesting to me that Soddy pre-empted Szilárd's writings about physics-based wealth (versus invented wealth of modern banking). Could Szilárd - the "inventor of the Nuke" - have stolen the concept from an 'enemy' of his nuclear science to legitimize his social standing as ... a nuclear scientist?

Wikipedia adds that Soddy found (with Rutherford):

radioactivity is due to the transmutation of elements, now known to involve nuclear reactions. He also proved the existence of isotopes of certain radioactive elements. He received the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1921, and has a crater named for him on the far side of the Moon.

-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Soddy

Soddy and Rutherford were those who said the possibility of weaponization was doubtful.

It seems as though our modern understanding of nuclear power - though officially concentrated in London history - owes a lot to the Hungarian genius of this group - which flows right into Einstein and the Manhattan Project.

In August 1939, Szilárd approached his old friend and collaborator Albert Einstein and convinced him to sign the Einstein-Szilárd letter, lending the weight of Einstein's fame to the proposal. The letter led directly to the establishment of research into nuclear fission by the U.S. government and ultimately to the creation of the Manhattan Project. Szilárd, with Enrico Fermi, patented the nuclear reactor) [... and the invention of ...] thermonuclear fusion and the theory of the hydrogen bomb (Edward Teller)

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary

The official story is somewhat simple, based on three stages leading to the development of the Nuke:

1. DOUBTERS - Rutherford, Soddy & Ramsay
2. DOUBTER-DOUBTERS - Szilárd & Fermi (inspired by German experiments and sci-fi writer Wells)
3. PROJECT CREATORS - Szilárd & Fermi & Einstein, etc.

During 1938 Szilárd accepted an offer to conduct research at Columbia University in Manhattan, and moved to New York, and was soon joined by Fermi. After learning about the successful nuclear fission experiment conducted during 1939 in Germany by Otto Hahn, Fritz Strassmann, Lise Meitner, and Otto Robert Frisch, Szilárd and Fermi concluded that uranium would be the element capable of sustaining a chain reaction. Szilárd and Fermi conducted a simple experiment at Columbia and discovered significant neutron multiplication in uranium, proving that the chain reaction was possible and enabling nuclear weapons. Szilárd later described the event: "We turned the switch and saw the flashes. We watched them for a little while and then we switched everything off and went home." He understood the implications and consequences of this discovery, though. "That night, there was very little doubt in my mind that the world was headed for grief."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leó_Szilárd

If we be the DOUBTER-DOUBTER-DOUBTERS, then we may find allies in the works of Rutherford, Soddy & Ramsay ... but they have apparently been long disproven by subsequent discoveries so we would be allying with "old science" and trying to update it.

It is interesting how H.G.Wells changed our world so much based on his stories that people try to enact - what with the War of the Worlds hoax and other incredible fictions. It was easy for us to separate the hoax from the fiction in that case, because it was a tremendous failure for modern audiences (and they admitted it was a hoax!). Is the Nuke some sort of successful implementation of a hoax based on The World Set Free?

by **nonhocapito** on October 22nd, 2010, 1:51 am

To refurbish our collection of pictures of THE BOMB.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... _atom.html

These days everything looks photo-shopped to me so... no comment.

* direct links to pictures are hidden here:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/f ... 4_ATOM.xml

** incidentally, this toy-like picture reminds me of Gregory Corso's "Bomb".

"fierce with moustaches of gold"

http://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html

by **idschmyd** on October 22nd, 2010, 11:10 am

A still from Thunderbirds? Loved that military minded puppetry.

The link is cool, Nonho.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... _atom.html

The images are from 'How to photograph an atomic bomb' but sadly there's no explanation of how they captured images of the school bus (emotive choice of vehicle) going through alleged stages of nuclear blast damage without sending the camera through the same stages.

by **brianv** on October 22nd, 2010, 4:19 pm

idschmyd @ Oct 22 2010, 11:10 AM wrote: A still from Thunderbirds? Loved that military minded puppetry.

The link is cool, Nonho.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... _atom.html

The images are from 'How to photograph an atomic bomb' but sadly there's no explanation of how they captured images of the school bus (emotive choice of vehicle) going through alleged stages of nuclear blast damage without sending the camera through the same stages.

...

:ph43r:

by **fbenario** on October 22nd, 2010, 8:14 pm

This certainly makes it look as if at least one President was well aware of the whole nuke hoax - and thus of the irrelevance of worrying about the location of the codes.

US presidential nuclear codes 'lost for months'

The codes were allegedly misplaced during 2000

The codes used by the president to launch a nuclear strike were mislaid for months during the Clinton administration, the former highest-ranking US officer has said.

Ex-chairman of the joint chiefs of staff Gen Hugh Shelton made the claim in a new book.
...
Gen Shelton said it was apparent that the president had not had the codes and that he had been unaware that an aide had lost them.

The general described the episode as a "comedy of errors".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11591213

by **idschmyd** on October 23rd, 2010, 1:29 am

brianv 4 Oct 22 2010, 04:19 PM wrote:

:ph43r:

Seems to be some trace of a vehicle in there?

Edit: images of Mysteron vehicles disappeared shortly after posting. Possible copyright infringement.

by **fbenario** on October 29th, 2010, 8:52 pm

We all know that when a suspected perp describes what he does in Hollywood terms, he's likely acknowledging that he knows he's telling a story full of crap. I must say I had never before thought of Ellsberg as providing cover for media fakery. I guess it may be the case that EVERY insider who is famous is involved in the cover-up.

Daniel Ellsberg Signs Deal for Nuclear Memoir

Tentatively titled The American Doomsday Machine, Mr. Ellsberg's latest book concerns "the approved US nuclear strategy calculated to kill 600,000,000 people," as Publisher's Marketplace put it.

"One of his first jobs [at the DoD] was studying command and control of nuclear weapons--in fact he drafted the operational plan for nuclear war in 1961," Bloomsbury Publisher and Editorial Director Peter Ginna told The Observer in an email. "As he said to me on the phone, when he saw Dr. Strangelove with a colleague, they agreed 'It's a documentary.'"

http://www.observer.com/2010/culture/da ... paign=home

by **Heiwa** on January 21st, 2011, 11:19 pm

It is suggested that Uranium 235, U235, can be split into two other, lighter atomes, when hit by a neutron, n, and that then two new neutrons and energy are released at high pressure, 100 000 atm and temperature 1 000 000°C. It is called fission. One alternative is U235 + n → Ba140 + Kr94 + 2n. Another is U235 + n → La139 + Mo95 + 2n. It is suggested that the reactions can continue exponentially, the free neutrons n will split more U235 atoms very quickly = the atomic bomb. Plutonium 239, Pl239, may behave similarily.
One problem with such a chain reaction is that a neutron is very small compared with an atom, e.g. if the radius of a neutron is of the order 0.000 000 000 000 001 meter and the atom core has same size, then the radius of the atom itself is 0.000 000 000 1 meter. It means that the atom is 100 000 times bigger than its core (electrons are surrounding the core) and that the probability that a neutron will collide with the core and split it is very small. The probability that the neutron will miss the core (that consists of 235 neutrons/protons) and fly away somewhere else is very big.
Scientists suggest that if you can arrange a critical mass of U235 or Pl239, of say 30-100 kgs (plenty of atoms there to miss) it will explode like an atomic bomb started by some neutrons. What the critical mass is and how to start the chain reaction are national, military secrets since 65 years.
Evidently many people believe that fission chain reactions produced by neutrons splitting atom cores are nonsense. It doesn’t work. In spite of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. These two Japanese towns were simply destroyed by US standard napalm carpet fire bombing raids early in the mornings in August 1945 followed by magnesium firework bomb producing a big flash over each town. US propaganda created the rest. The atomic bomb was born. More realistically the whole Manhattan project failed and nobody managed to start a chain reaction atomic bomb 1945. Oppenheimer, the chief of the project, never managed to explode anything ... except a magensium flash bomb.
Later US scientists announced that they had managed to produce a termonuclear fusion bom – the hydrogen bomb – where light atoms fused to heavier ones in lieu of splitting heavy ones and when energy was also released. Such a bomb could be 750 times stronger than a Hiroshima type atomic bomb, we were told. Imagine that. In operation Ivy the US 1952 allegedly destroyed the little island Elugelab in the nortern part of the Enewetak atoll in the Marshall Islands using such a hydrogen bomb. Wikipedia describes it with photos from 1952 before/after the blast. Elugelab allegedly disappeared and a mile wide crater 175’ deep was created.
If you look at the Enewetak atoll using Google maps you’ll find someting strange. At big scale the crater is seen at the North part of the atoll but when zooming in the map is photoshopped and shows something else that does not compare with the 1952 photos. Actually all Google maps/photos of Enewetak islands are very good except the one where the famous crater is supposed to be.

by **nonhocapito** on January 22nd, 2011, 9:42 am

Heiwa wrote:If you look at the Enewetak atoll using Google maps you’ll find someting strange. At big scale the crater is seen at the North part of the atoll but when zooming in the map is photoshopped and shows something else that does not compare with the 1952 photos. Actually all Google maps/photos of Enewetak islands are very good except the one where the famous crater is supposed to be.

From Wikipedia:

the United States government directed the military to decontaminate the islands. This was done by mixing the contaminated soil and debris from the various islands with Portland cement and burying it in one of the blast craters. The crater was at the northern end of Runit ...This continued until the crater became a spherical mound 25 feet (7.6 m) high. The crater was then covered with an 18-inch (460 mm) thick concrete cap, dubbed "Cactus Dome".

As far as google earth goes, the crater covered by the dome is perfectly visible on the right of the atoll:

next to it, another nuclear crater that was never covered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwzzcqJHxG0

by **Heiwa** on January 24th, 2011, 8:13 am

On below Google map we see a 'double crater' at the North part of the Enewetak atoll in the Marshall Islands.

Zooming in on Google map the 'double crater' becomes blurry and one part is covered by a cloud.

In 1952 there was only one crater as seen on the bottom photo. Did US blow off another hydrogen bomb next to the first one?

Or are all photos fake?

by **Heiwa** on January 25th, 2011, 4:33 pm

The Cactus dome is located at the northern tip of a small island at the east of the atoll as seens on photos below:

If the dome is 100 meter in diameter and 0.46 meter thick it contains about 10 000 tons of cement. You really wonder how they transported the cement to location. The island is abt 2 kms long and 150 meters wide. There is no trace of any roads or harbour today.

by **Heiwa** on January 25th, 2011, 4:48 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_Mike describes how the big crater was made! It seems the whole atoll was destroyed by a tsunami wave! The explosion looked as follows: http://www.sonicbomb.com/modules.php?na ... ge&pid=184

by **Heiwa** on January 26th, 2011, 11:06 am

Maybe the atomic bomb was produced here http://www.nv.doe.gov/library/factsheets/DOENV_1142.pdf ?

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