THE NUKE HOAX

Global War deceptions & mass manipulation, fear-mongering terror schemes and propaganda in the Age of the Bomb

Postby hoi.polloi on March 3rd, 2010, 9:42 pm

Fair points, certainly. Radiation seems like a real problem. (It certainly seems cancer is an ongoing issue with human beings that doesn't go away, too.)

The problem for me is that there doesn't seem to be any information that the disinformation has actually scrambled. It's just fluff as of yet. Stories.

Coupled with the extreme lengths of fakery around the weapon (I insist I haven't seen realistic depictions of the weapon in operation yet), we are left - unfortunately - with the same problem as we have regarding 9/11 and 7/7 and any other recent sensation.

What's fake reporting is bad reporting. What's extensively, exhaustively fake reporting is a fabrication. And if we aren't offered z hint of truth on the matter, just to keep the scientifically minded curious, my temptation is to conclude that I am being lied to about a boogieman.

Let's not conclude the nuke exists or does not exist since we simply do not have enough information to confirm either way. Still, there should now be ample room to doubt:

Hiroshima was a city of military importance - exaggerated or not - and unlike New York, London, etc. they are not going to let just anybody walk in without special permission. I would compare Hiroshima to a sort of sub-Pentagon, where troops were literally gathered to prepare for invasions into China, Russia and Korea - providing those stories are true and I think each of those countries will insist angrily that they are.

Our Pentagon was not "attacked" unless by people savvy enough to take over the news networks as they hid real damage behind every story to come out of the alleged attack since 9/11; I don't care what kind of magic airplane-missile-bomb may or may not be being covered up. A coup of imagination is a coup - not an outside attack. Likewise, I don't feel there is enough evidence that Hiroshima itself was physically attacked. Perhaps blown up. By Japanese. But attacked freely without combatant airplanes in opposition by American and English forces?

The prefecture was cut off by military force, along with half the country, the city was selected for demolition projects that very year, and nobody claims to have seen any fighters - friendly or enemy. Afterwards, all information was censored by the alleged occupying force. Somehow, I feel we are being told to imagine horrors that did not take place.

Though the photographers on such a day might be shy about showing truly disgusting live body decomposition, we nevertheless have no evidence of it. Only hyper dramatic stories told by the sorts of people we hear similar fare from in the 9/11 mythmaking. I want to stress my questions about what 'A-bomb radiation' is and why nothing can be said about it, also why it is specifically treated as 'A-bomb radiation' rather than a specific series of determinable waves and consequences. We know what X-Rays do. There is no mention of them. We know perfectly well about electric torture, waterboarding, Nazi experimentations, human drug testing, early NASA flights shooting stray people into outer space and a host of other inhumane crimes of government and business. Imposed cancer is not the worst humans have done to one another, even if it is horrible. If nuclear arms are a deterrent, then facts about them must actually deter countries. My guess is that the nuclear threat is a deliberately unclear threat so that our imaginations are turned against us - the best deterrent there is.

Probably, it doesn't exist or there would be real footage of it somewhere. Like unicorns.

The bazooka was eventually revealed. Nukes have been fake-revealed for decades.
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Postby brianv on March 3rd, 2010, 11:29 pm

I've been wondering....the Chernobyl Disaster!?

Kinda looks familiar doesn't it?

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Could it have been a "Russian 9/11"? Would a camera work for instance? Would the radiation fry the on-board electronics on a helicopter?

Any opinions?

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http://www.atomicarchive.com/History/co ... mage.shtml
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Postby fbenario on March 4th, 2010, 2:15 am

fred 4 Mar 3 2010, 01:47 PM wrote:According to the museum in Hiroshima, nobody knew at first that the city had been hit with atomic weapons, and it wasn't until some doctor found some exposed X-Ray film that the Japanese authorities figured out that some kind of atomic weapon was used.
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In fact a lot of little kids seemed fine for a few days only to die agonizing deaths over a period of weeks or months as bits and pieces of their internal organs began falling off. IMHO the cover-up is to make the weapon seem less disgusting than it really is, and to prevent the world from thinking that the US was almost as bad as the Nazis.


Fred, I don't believe we have any credible evidence at all that anyone's organs began falling off. Can you see the assumptions you've made in order to say this - and thus that you've based your theory, that nukes 'might' exist, on those assumptions?

I think Hoi has the better of this colloquy, and your musings don't seem to negate his conclusions/theories. I would suggest that NONE of the 'eyewitness' reports are deserving of our belief at all.
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Postby hoi.polloi on March 4th, 2010, 9:05 am

fbenario 4 Mar 4 2010, 01:15 AM wrote: Fred, I don't believe we have any credible evidence at all that anyone's organs began falling off.



Well, the museum has melted mannequins standing in play-rubble against a horrifying red sky stage background. So maybe it actually happened!

Sorry, I couldn't help it.

It is really an honor to discuss these matters with someone as intelligent and well-reasoned and as good a writer as Fred is. I am overjoyed to read opposition to my arguments that is not composed of immature whining and name-calling. Not that I would expect that from Fred, but just stressing that it is a privilege to have certain people on this board and it keeps me balanced because through their writing, I am able to consider that I am wrong. If Fred weren't such a damn good writer making excellent points, I'd probably be mistakenly more sure of myself.


..the Chernobyl Disaster!?



When I've asked ESA scientists about radiation, I receive very cartoonish, unclear answers. Particularly in regards to the unstable elements meant to power these super-devices like nuclear power plants and A-Bombs. Try asking a scientist, once. See if you get anything out of them more than the explanation we are given in third grade. I may have to go and try to isolate some of these nanoscopic bastards myself and figure this out.

Anyway, assuming nuclear radiation is a real power source, nuclear waste is a real problem, and Chernobyl was a real power plant ... (Churn the bull?) - all safe assumptions so far - what might be the reason for faking a disaster that keeps everyone away for fear of glowing green?

Based on the "wind" in that picture, maybe they had something against Finland? The big mustard stain looks like a "Hey Europe! Keep away from Moscow, that's our territory! Especially you Fins and Germanic folk! We've had trouble from the Germans before ..." Maybe something going on in Poland?

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Postby fred on March 4th, 2010, 8:46 pm

I'm not sure what to think of your buddy at CERN. Maybe he's not good at explaining things? Does he actually think the project he's working on is a hoax?

The idea that the US would try to convince Japan (and the world) that it had a secret weapon that it did not actually possess is not crazy. I suppose that with enough inside help and planted evidence it would be possible to get the Japanese commanders to buy a phony story about a secret doomsday weapon.

In a former life a couple of my colleagues were nuclear engineers, and I know somebody who spent about a decade working on the SDI - Star Wars program. In casual conversations these folks assert that nuclear power works and the technology behind directed energy weapons actually works. Of course, that doesn't prove anything but they at least seem more credible than the Woodstock "my cousin's uncle's homeroom teacher was killed in the WTC" people.

I know some anti-nuke people who believe that the environmental waste-disposal problems caused by nuclear power plants are real. There seems to be a fairly large nuclear industry that really does dig up heavy metals and seems to be able to generate electricity with it. I don't think that the nuke plants are actually coal plants, and I suspect it would be rather easy to see the coal coming into the plants if they were. OTOH I don't have any direct experience working in nuclear plants or on directed energy weapons myself.

In contrast, if you have any plain-spoken military or intelligence friends over in Afghanistan or Iraq and you ask them about Al Qaida you'll probably get the answer that it's a bunch of bullshit or that the CIA built all the supposed terrorist training camps, etc. My own experience talking to people who ought to have direct knowledge of some of the "official 9/11 story" is that they are pretty sure that the parts of the official story that relate to their jobs are false.

The Soviets were always famous for having state-run media and fake news stories, KGB deception operations, etc. I suppose Chernobyl could have been some deliberate sabotage or other kind of fake story to discredit some group of leaders and create an advantage for somebody else. Certainly it was a national disgrace that made the Soviet bureaucracy look incompetent and highlighted the crumbling infrastructure. Maybe it was their "Hurricane Katrina" designed to make it easier to change policies.

It's hard to know if the crumbling infrastructure failed all by itself or if it had a lot of "help". Certainly the CIA and Mi6 spent a lot of effort trying to make sure that the Soviet system failed, and I am sure that there were plenty of Russians who tried to speed up the collapse of the Soviet system as well.

Supposedly every day was 9/11 over in the old Soviet Union in the sense that their media broadcast fake stories all the time. Presumably the 9/11 planners in the West were saying, hey, that's a great idea, why don't we do that too?

It's naive to think that the standard media and historic accounts of major events are completely accurate when we have so many recent examples of deliberate lies and propaganda.
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Postby hoi.polloi on March 4th, 2010, 9:33 pm

I'm not sure what to think of your buddy at CERN. Maybe he's not good at explaining things? Does he actually think the project he's working on is a hoax?



The most I got out of him was that he was pretty sure science was involved and he could tell what was happening by watching the computer screen. I can't imagine how a number of people whose expertise is atomic science could be misled by a computer program. And yet .... and yet ... when my curiosity about something is met with a look of apprehension rather than the curiosity and excitement I am familiar with, I get a bit confused. (Did I ask the question wrong? Is my deodorant ineffective?)

Some people just cannot find the time to answer questions about their work that people at their job probably don't even ask each other.

I can't help contemplating on the probably billion or so people on the planet who have heard of 9/11 and understand that what happened is what the USA and UK media said happened rather than a block of important buildings getting demolished in Copperfield style to avoid paperwork. Just as a hypothetical example. And the pilots and flight experts I have talked to who on the one hand state facts about flights that would make 9/11 seem like the joke it is, but on the other hand cannot reconcile the impossibility of what they were told ...

In this strange room, I find myself nearly alone with a haunting possibility. Our curiosity is greater than the knowledge of the experts. It isn't that science is a hoax, but that a group of scientists recognized as experts may not actually be the most qualified to be called such or field questions about what they are doing ... if they even know. I have encountered too many people on the 9/11 journey who endorse, by nothing less graceful than sheer laziness, an event that their own scrutiny would reject outright if it weren't for the peer pressure.

This is what concerns me. Nuclear waste is a big concern - and I can barely imagine the level of hoaxing it would take to convince people if it was all fake. Yet, why is it a concern?

I imagine the thousands of people marching to honor "the victims of 9/11" they never knew, religious throngs ... it all seems so human but we don't want to believe we are like them -- that maybe we are defending something because of a mass hypnotic curiosity with power - Nuclear weapons, directed energy weapons, etc.

I have military in the family too, possibly including access to area 51 (though please let us NOT go into that - I am just trying to make a point), and all they keep promising me is that the government has things we couldn't even dream of.

Well, I am dreaming, and asking questions. And if we have something called the nuclear bomb, I've imagined it more realistically than anyone with the weapon is apparently prepared to represent it - even by what they call scientific evidence. And I guess I am just finding that to be a really weird experience.
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Postby fbenario on March 5th, 2010, 2:28 am

From Fred:

fred 4 Mar 4 2010, 02:46 PM wrote:

The idea that the US would try to convince Japan (and the world) that it had a secret weapon that it did not actually possess is not crazy. I suppose that with enough inside help and planted evidence it would be possible to get the Japanese commanders to buy a phony story about a secret doomsday weapon.







Japan offered to surrender in early 1945. The US refused, enjoying their easy triumphs in the Pacific too much to stop the war. Truman then decided to bomb/attack Hiroshima (with some form of weapon) in order to scare the Soviets into stopping their potential advance into Japan/Korea/Northern China. Since life under Stalin was known to be horrendous, and life in America fairly benign, it isn't hard for me to think Japan decided voluntarily to go along with the fake-nuke attack in order to ensure they were occupied by America, not the Soviets. Given their economic success since WWII, compared to Russia's, it looks as if they made a rational decision.

I certainly would choose to lie about an attack on me if it meant I wouldn't have to deal with the privations of totalitarianism.

As for Chernobyl, it isn't hard to see it as a CIA psyop, given that it made the world understand more clearly that the Soviet system was entirely decrepit. Apparently Chernobyl is the Russian word for 'wormwood', which brings in all sorts of Biblical prophecy nonsense.


"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
Revelation 8:10-11

The book of Revelation describes cataclysmic events that are to happen in the endtime. Part of these events are signaled by the blowing of seven trumpets by seven angels. At the sounding of the third trumpet in chapter 8, a great star called Wormwood was cast into the earth.

The world's worst ever nuclear meltdown occurred in 1986 at Chernobyl in Ukraine, at that time one of the states of the Soviet Union. Incredibly, Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood! It appears that the Chernobyl catastrophe was the fulfillment of the sounding of the third trumpet of Revelation 8!
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The prophecy of the third trumpet emphasizes that the star called Wormwood made the waters bitter. As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, and Extraordinary amount of rain fell. The rain brought the radiation from the nuclear cloud onto the soil, the animals, the crops, the trees, and into the rivers. The greater the rainfall, the greater was the amount of radioactivity. These heavy rains greatly increased the magnitude of this horrible disaster. Much of Europe was affected. When the prophecy said that many men died because of the waters, it explicitly described the effect of Chernobyl.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... rmwood.htm



[admin: sorry, fbenario, I edited your post to make the quotes work. remember to open a quote, it's QUOTE and to close, it's /QUOTE. sorry to intrude. -hp]
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Postby Piper on March 9th, 2010, 4:53 am

We've all been shown images of the "atomic shadows" cast by certain objects due to the effects of the alleged atomic blasts. Here is one example:

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(Why is the "shadow" of a lighter color in the above image?)

Anyway, the following is purported to be a photo of the "atomic shade" cast by a leaf of the Japanese Fatsia plant:

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Now other than looking like a badly photoshopped forgery, I find it hard to imagine enough burning or radiation energy hitting a leaf to create a permanent shadow behind it... and yet leaving the leaf itself apparently unharmed? :huh:
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Postby Heiwa on March 9th, 2010, 6:34 am

fbenario 4 Mar 5 2010, 02:28 AM wrote:Japan offered to surrender in early 1945. The US refused, enjoying their easy triumphs in the Pacific too much to stop the war. Truman then decided to bomb/attack Hiroshima (with some form of weapon) in order to scare the Soviets into stopping their potential advance into Japan/Korea/Northern China. Since life under Stalin was known to be horrendous, and life in America fairly benign, it isn't hard for me to think Japan decided voluntarily to go along with the fake-nuke attack in order to ensure they were occupied by America, not the Soviets. Given their economic success since WWII, compared to Russia's, it looks as if they made a rational decision.

I certainly would choose to lie about an attack on me if it meant I wouldn't have to deal with the privations of totalitarianism.



Yokohama was destroyed more than Hiroshima in a low carpet/napalm bombing attack in May 1945 that lasted 45 minutes! Pictures of the Yokohama destruction from Motomachi to Yokohama station on to Kawasaki look like Hiroshima. So maybe Hiroshima was just one, big magnesium bomb causing a flash + a quick Yokohama style bombing? Same at Nagasaki, where destruction on ground was quite limited.
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Postby ozzybinoswald on March 9th, 2010, 7:19 am

fbenario 4 Mar 5 2010, 02:28 AM wrote: Apparently Chernobyl is the Russian word for 'wormwood', which brings in all sorts of Biblical prophecy nonsense.


"And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."
Revelation 8:10-11

The book of Revelation describes cataclysmic events that are to happen in the endtime. Part of these events are signaled by the blowing of seven trumpets by seven angels. At the sounding of the third trumpet in chapter 8, a great star called Wormwood was cast into the earth.

The world's worst ever nuclear meltdown occurred in 1986 at Chernobyl in Ukraine, at that time one of the states of the Soviet Union. Incredibly, Chernobyl is the Russian word for wormwood! It appears that the Chernobyl catastrophe was the fulfillment of the sounding of the third trumpet of Revelation 8!
...
The prophecy of the third trumpet emphasizes that the star called Wormwood made the waters bitter. As the nuclear cloud produced by Chernobyl drifted over the Soviet Union and over Europe, and Extraordinary amount of rain fell. The rain brought the radiation from the nuclear cloud onto the soil, the animals, the crops, the trees, and into the rivers. The greater the rainfall, the greater was the amount of radioactivity. These heavy rains greatly increased the magnitude of this horrible disaster. Much of Europe was affected. When the prophecy said that many men died because of the waters, it explicitly described the effect of Chernobyl.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... rmwood.htm




Here we go again.

A 2000-year-old prophecy about a star [ie. radiation] "burning as a lamp" that poisons one-third of the planet's ground water?

What then is nonsensical? Where's your consistency?

Your only honest skeptical conclusion should be that the facility was named Chernobyl with the intention to purposefully appear to fulfill that ancient prophecy.

But I'm fairly positive the area had been called Chernobyl since long before.


edit: To clarify, the "Chernobyl disaster" of 1986 doesn't fulfill this prophecy. A still future event involving Chernobyl might.
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Postby fbenario on March 14th, 2010, 6:49 pm

Foreshadowing a coming fake attack?


UK residents mistake emergency exercise for nuclear attack
Military and Security 3/13/2010 1:52:00 PM

Residents Saturday described how they barricaded themselves into their homes after mistaking an emergency exercise for a nuclear attack, the British media reported.

Elderly and vulnerable people bombarded emergency services with calls in Portland, Dorset, southern England, fearful of bombs being dropped after information booklets landed on their doorstep.

The leaflets, part of the Nuclear Accident Emergency Plan exercise last Wednesday evening, advised residents what to do in the event of a radiation emergency in Portland Port.

They were told to stay indoors and wait for the all clear, listen to local news stations, put out fires and boilers and take potassium iodate tablets only if they were issued with them.

The leaflets were dropped to 1,200 residents living within one mile of Portland Port as part of the exercise, led by Dorset County Council, the Royal Navy, Maritime and Coastguard Agency, the local council and other nuclear officials.

It also coincided with water officials making loud hailer announcements about water being turned off.

http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPubl ... anguage=en
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Postby simonshack on September 15th, 2010, 9:30 pm

This post is by forum member Fbenario
who asked the admins to move it here if deemed of interest. I think it certainly is ...
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(ADMINS: If you think there is any new information here that is helpful, please move the post to the 'real' Nuke Hoax thread. If you don't believe there is any new/helpful info, please delete it)

I saw this news item today, and intended to ignore it, as I do most perp crap 'news' about fake 'nuclear attacks'. Then I saw an interesting location mentioned, in the 3rd quoted section below:



The Bomb Chroniclers

As for the atomic cameramen, there aren’t that many left. “Quite a few have died from cancer,” George Yoshitake, 82, one of the survivors, said of his peers in an interview. “No doubt it was related to the testing.”



'No doubt' they died of cancer? Get real.


The cinematographers focused on nuclear test explosions in the Pacific and Nevada.

Electrified wire ringed their headquarters in the Hollywood Hills. The inconspicuous building, on Wonderland Avenue in Laurel Canyon, had a sound stage, screening rooms, processing labs, animation gear, film vaults and a staff of more than 250 producers, directors and cameramen -- all with top-secret clearances.

When originally made, the films served as vital sources of information for scientists investigating the nature of nuclear arms and their destructiveness. Some movies also served as tutorials for federal and Congressional leaders.

'Tutorials for Congressional leaders'? Of course that's how they were used.


The secret film unit, established in 1947 by the military, was known as the Lookout Mountain Laboratory. Surrounded by the lush greenery of Laurel Canyon, just minutes from the Sunset Strip, the lab drew on Hollywood talent and technology to pursue its clandestine ends.

“The neighbors were suspicious because the lights were on all night long,” Mr. Yoshitake recalled.

Film historians say the unit tested many technologies that Hollywood later embraced, including advanced lenses and cameras, films and projection techniques.
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Hollywood stars appeared in some of the films. Reed Hadley, star of the 1950s television show “Racket Squad,” portrayed a pipe-smoking military observer who, in 1952, witnessed the world’s first hydrogen blast.
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“You had to have the cameras running before the detonation,” Douglas Wood, 75, a cinematographer, told a reporter at the gathering. If not, he said, the blinding flash “would burn the film and jam the film gate.”
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Mr. Kuran continues to work on the old movies, using high-tech methodologies to improve their clarity and restore faded images to their original glory.

“He fixes things pixel by pixel,” said Mr. Sugg of the World Security Institute. “He’s this fanatical quality guy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/scien ... r=1&ref=us



As soon as I saw the reference to Lookout Mountain Lab, on Laurel Canyon Road, it reminded me of the very lengthy research series I'd seen on Laurel Canyon, and the interaction there between great rock stars, Manson, the CIA - and far too many dead bodies. I found this:


Anyway ? two ambitious projects in the 1940s brought significant changes to Laurel Canyon. First, Laurel Canyon Boulevard was extended into the San Fernando Valley, providing access to the canyon from both the north and the south. The widened boulevard was now a winding thoroughfare, providing direct access to the Westside from the Valley. Traffic, needless to say, increased considerably, which probably worked out well for the planners of the other project, because it meant that the increased traffic brought about by that other project probably wasn’t noticed at all. And that’s good, you see, because the other project was a secret one, so if I tell you about it, you have to promise not to tell anyone else.

What would become known as Lookout Mountain Laboratory was originally envisioned as an air defense center. Built in 1941 and nestled in two-and-a-half secluded acres off what is now Wonderland Park Avenue, the installation was hidden from view and surrounded by an electrified fence. By 1947, the facility featured a fully operational movie studio. In fact, it is claimed that it was perhaps the world’s only completely self-contained movie studio. With 100,000 square feet of floor space, the covert studio included sound stages, screening rooms, film processing labs, editing facilities, an animation department, and seventeen climate-controlled film vaults. It also had underground parking, a helicopter pad and a bomb shelter.

Over its lifetime, the studio produced some 19,000 classified motion pictures ? more than all the Hollywood studios combined (which I guess makes Laurel Canyon the real ‘motion picture capital of the world’). Officially, the facility was run by the U.S. Air Force and did nothing more nefarious than process AEC footage of atomic and nuclear bomb tests. The studio, however, was clearly equipped to do far more than just process film. There are indications that Lookout Mountain Laboratory had an advanced research and development department that was on the cutting edge of new film technologies. Such technological advances as 3-D effects were apparently first developed at the Laurel Canyon site. And Hollywood luminaries like John Ford, Jimmy Stewart, Howard Hawks, Ronald Reagan, Bing Crosby, Walt Disney and Marilyn Monroe were given clearance to work at the facility on undisclosed projects. There is no indication that any of them ever spoke of their work at the clandestine studio.

The facility retained as many as 250 producers, directors, technicians, editors, animators, etc., both civilian and military, all with top security clearances ? and all reporting to work in a secluded corner of Laurel Canyon. Accounts vary as to when the facility ceased operations. Some claim it was in 1969, while others say the installation remained in operation longer. In any event, by all accounts the secret bunker had been up and running for more than twenty years before Laurel Canyon’s rebellious teen years, and it remained operational for the most turbulent of those years.

The existence of the facility remained unknown to the general public until the early 1990s, though it had long been rumored that the CIA operated a secret movie studio somewhere in or near Hollywood. Filmmaker Peter Kuran was the first to learn of its existence, through classified documents he obtained while researching his 1995 documentary, “Trinity and Beyond.” And yet even today, some 15 years after its public disclosure, one would have trouble finding even a single mention of this secret military/intelligence facility anywhere in the ‘conspiracy’ literature.

http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr96.html



"There are indications that Lookout Mountain Laboratory had an advanced research and development department that was on the cutting edge of new film technologies." No kidding.

I highly recommend reading the entire Laurel Canyon research series, all 17 (so far) parts, if for no other reason than human interest and to learn of the birth of the California rock sound.
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Postby simonshack on September 15th, 2010, 9:48 pm

I must recommend the reading of this...uh...explosive New York Times article that Fbenario submitted :


THE BOMB CHRONICLERS
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/14/scien ... r=1&ref=us

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New York Times caption:
"ZERO HOUR - Milliseconds after this image, the vehicles beneath the fireball were obliterated."


But the film crews were fine, surely... I guess they just kept at safe distance?

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"In all, the atomic moviemakers fashioned 6,500 secret films, according to federal officials."

Whaa-aaat ? :huh:

"The cameramen were allowed to simply witness, not photograph, their first hydrogen bomb explosions, which were roughly one thousand times more powerful than atomic blasts. The goal was to get them accustomed to the level of violence."

Oh - I see, yes... But then, we are told that out of those 6500 secret films, only a mere 100 have been released, because you see....:

"Nuclear specialists say the shape and size of a weapon -- especially a hydrogen bomb -- can reveal design secrets".


:lol: :lol: :lol: No kiddin. You better believe the specialists.


TESTING THE BOMB FOR AMERICA'S SAFETY
OPERATION CUE (1962)
(watch from 12:50 onwards - you won't regret it !)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2-8f-V5sFY
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Postby hoi.polloi on September 16th, 2010, 3:41 pm

Mr. Yoshitake recalled documenting what a fiery explosion did to pigs -- whose skin resembles that of humans. “Some were still squealing,” he said. “You could smell the meat burning. It made you sick. I thought, ‘Oh, how terrible. If they were humans they would have suffered terribly.’ ”

:P

And would have tasted less delicious! We began development of nuclear BBQ grills immediately. "tested on pigs"?! What a joke.



The declassifications stopped in 2001. The arrival of the Bush administration, and an outbreak of atomic jitters after the terrorist attacks on New York City and the Pentagon, combined to bring about the program’s demise.



hahaha ... O'Leary was leering too much at the propagandists. It was high time the government got a replacement "nuke" - wild, uncontrollable party-animal terrorist Arabs! And they want nuclear bombs!!! What a joke our 'disarmament' protests are.

Did you notice that really subtle product placement for the "nuke store" website?

"Don't forget to stop at our gift store on the way out of this article ..."

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- http://store03.prostores.com/servlet/at ... tle/Detail
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Postby simonshack on September 28th, 2010, 10:57 pm

I just found this:

http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/06-28- ... gi.48.html




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only club for the wealthy elite, Bohemian Grove, Calif.

In 1980, a small Sonoma County-based group, SONOMoreAtomics, began
researching some of the corporations that were profiting from nuclear
power and weapons.
Since Bohemian Grove was located in their
backyard, they began a protest to make the connections between the
top elite of the corporate, banking, military and governmental
circles.

Within a week through contacts inside the Grove, they obtained a
membership and guest list, and the serious research began. That same
year, a reporter from Mother Jones magazine made contact, and the
protesters helped him to get inside. By 1981, national attention had
been called to this once-secret gathering through articles in Mother
Jones and Parade Magazine - the latter by Jack Anderson.

By July 1981, a network of 81 peace, environmental and justice groups
had formed a coalition called the Bohemian Grove Action Network,
which has called attention to this elite network of the "good old
boys" for the past 25 years. Special attention has been given to the
daily "Lakeside Talks," which have included presidents, CEOs of the
Fortune 500, the head of the World Bank, and assorted military
leaders.

The club's members include many U.S. presidents. George H.W. Bush and
Gerald Ford are both members, as was the late Ronald Reagan, Richard
Nixon, and every Republican President since Herbert Hoover. There has
not been a Democratic president as a member, but Pat Brown was a
member when he was California governor.

"We saw in 1980 and 1984 how unified 'Bohemia' was around Ronald
Reagan," said Don Eichelberger, a long-time organizer of grove
protests and current state Green Party co-chair of the Green Issues
Working Group. "We know from their own archives that the Manhattan
Project was conceived and promoted at the Grove, and that a deal
supporting Eisenhower over Nixon for president in 1956 was struck
there. So no question that 'weaving spiders' do come there."

The latter statement referred to the club's motto, "Weaving spiders
come not here!"

"These men constitute the biggest back room in the country, whose
deals have sealed the fate of America as a bully willing to use its
might to help them make more money and control the nation," said Paul
Encimer of Emerald Greens and co-coordinator of the convergence.

"In reality, these are public policy talks given without public
scrutiny," added Mary Moore, co-founder of BGAN.

This July 15, the incoming Bohemians will be greeted at the gates as
they arrive for the first weekend of their two-week summer
encampment. On Saturday, July 16, on the day that the Bohemians stage
a ceremony, protesters will be at the gates.

On Sunday, July 17, activists will convene in the Monte Rio
amphitheater to network and strategize.

This year's protest is being organized by the California State Greens
and endorsed by various social activist groups and individuals.

For more information, call the above phone numbers or go to
Bohemian Grove Action Network
http://www.sonomacountyfreepress.com/bo ... oindx.html




Ozzy - can you tell us more about this 2005 'nuclear activity' of yours? Please understand this is out of plain curiosity. Nothing more.
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