THE NUKE HOAX

[lux]

I wonder if the WWII Dresen firebombing incident could have been a preliminary test for the later fake Hiroshima nuke?

[lux]

Here are some interestng and questionable points about the USS Indianapolis' mission and its Captain McVay:

Controversial Facts

* Captain McVay's request for a destroyer escort was denied despite the fact that no capital ship lacking anti-submarine detection equipment, such as the Indianapolis, had made this transit across the Philippine Sea without an escort during the entire war.
* Captain McVay was not told that shortly before his departure from Guam a Japanese submarine within range of his path had sunk a destroyer escort, the USS Underhill.
* Shortly after the Indianapolis was sunk, naval intelligence decoded a message from the I-58 to its headquarters in Japan that it had sunk an American battleship along the route of the Indianapolis. The message was ignored.
* Naval authorities then and now have maintained that the Indianapolis sank too quickly to send out a distress signal. A radioman aboard the Indianapolis testified at the September 1999 Senate hearing, however, that he watched the "needle jump" on the ship's transmitter, indicating that a distress signal was transmitted minutes before the ship sank, and sources at three separate locations have indicated that they were aware of a distress signal being received from the sinking ship. Its very likely that these distress signals were received but ignored as a Japanese trick to lure rescue vessels to the area.
* Confusion on the part of Navy communications and a faulty directive caused the failure of the Indianapolis to arrive on schedule to go unnoticed, leaving as many as 900 men at the mercy of a shark-infested sea. (The faulty directive - which required only reporting the arrival of non-combatant ships - was corrected days after the Indianapolis survivors were discovered to require reporting the arrival of combatant ships as well.)

Above taken from http://www.ussindianapolis.org/story.htm

Evidently the only reason there were any survivors at all from the Indianapolis was due to the heroic efforts of one pilot who just happened to fly over the wreck area and saw the men in the water.

Looks to me like somebody wanted to get rid of a ship full of witnesses.

[corsarino]

Looks to me like somebody wanted to get rid of a ship full of witnesses.

Gen. Patton was killed in a strange road accident. His duty was to find the German nuclear devices but they preferred the option "NO witnesses".

[lux]

Selected stills:

Black halo around 'mushroom cloud', 3:03 (Note silly puff of dust as 'shockwave' just before)

I just saw this same explosion on a short 1956 civil defense film aired on TCM called "Alert Today -- Alive Tomorrow" but it had a different foreground with no soldiers, just a big pile of rocks to the left. It was the same explosion though -- those same wavy lines on the left and the white spots to the right.

[hoi.polloi]

Interesting. Could the lines and dots be a result of flaws in a rear-projection or some kind of screen?

[lux]

^ I dunno.

Here's another pic with wavy lines on the left and the dots on the lower right (same explosion?):

[Maat]

Interesting. Could the lines and dots be a result of flaws in a rear-projection or some kind of screen?

Oh, those wavy smoke trails are supposed to be some kind of tracers they launched with it, used in all such tests apparently, to measure something about the explosion (I read it somewhere, but forget where exactly). I'll see if I can find it again.

Edit: Found it! They are "smoke rockets launched from the ground seconds before the detonation. This created a vertical array of reference lines against which the progress of the shock front could be photographed"; according to: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tes ... rails.html


"Tumbler-Snapper Able" 1952


"Upshot-Knothole Annie" 1953........................................"Upshot-Knothole Climax"

I don't get how they weren't blown away by the shockwave, as you'd expect from any kind of massive explosion

[Heiwa]

Above photo was allegedly taken 25 May 1953 at 8:30 am local time (in Nevada US). The gun had apparently fired a shell W9 that after a flight of 7 miles impacted with ground and POUFF - there was an atomic detonation.

[reel.deal]

those wavy smoke trails are supposed to be some kind of tracers they launched with it, used in all such tests apparently, to measure something about the explosion...

Edit: Found it! They are "smoke rockets launched from the ground seconds before the detonation. This created a vertical array of reference lines against which the progress of the shock front could be photographed"; according to: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tes ... rails.html


"Tumbler-Snapper Able" 1952


"Upshot-Knothole Annie" 1953...................................."Upshot-Knothole Climax"



I don't get how they weren't blown away by the shockwave, as you'd expect from any kind of massive explosion

Epic !!! ...the coup de grace for near-every Nuke Photo - nailed, in 1 fell swoop !
Perfect !

to measure something about the explosion...

...to measure something about NO EXPLOSION !!!

Nukes dont dent smoke trails !!!

OMG !

[Maat]

Nukes dont dent smoke trails !!!

OMG !

It sure looks that way, don't it! Reminds me of the vids with 'nuke proof' clouds
Even presuming those 'smoke rockets' were launched a long way from the epicenter, surely any 'explosion' would cause some wind, just a breeze should blow 'em away — so I'd love to know how they explain that


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeuzEi9_2c

[hoi.polloi]

I like that bizarre website you pulled the video from.



Looks like there are others on top of the major fakes of the world too.

[pov603]

Regarding the 'stationary' clouds during the atomic bomb blast, all I would offer is that maybe [maybe] the vantage from the airplane is high enough and far enough away from the 'explosion' and effects from the shock-wave.
If these same clouds were nearer the airplane than the 'bomb' then that may explain why there seems to be little or no change.
Irrespective of whether Atomic power exists or not [as far as bombs go] they must still show footage of real explosions and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we do see this in action albeit with 1,000s or 10,000s of tonnes of explosives rather than good'ole PU-239.

Edit: Changed '...that the 'bomb'...' to '...than the bomb'...'

[Maat]

I like that bizarre website you pulled the video from.
Looks like there are others on top of the major fakes of the world too.

Oh right! I forgot that Brazilian site was the nuke vid uploader on Youtube Yeah, they cover everything— even disputing the solar-centric theory, he he http://www.showdalua.com/ingles.html

Regarding the 'stationary' clouds during the atomic bomb blast, all I would offer is that maybe [maybe] the vantage from the airplane is high enough and far enough away from the 'explosion' and effects from the shock-wave.
If these same clouds were nearer the airplane than the 'bomb' then that may explain why there seems to be little or no change.
Irrespective of whether Atomic power exists or not [as far as bombs go] they must still show footage of real explosions and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that we do see this in action albeit with 1,000s or 10,000s of tonnes of explosives rather than good'ole PU-239.

Yes, that is what we're supposed to assume, pov — the only problem is in this one, the clouds [watch mid-lower left] remain unaffected after they've been enveloped by the 'mushroom cloud'. At least that's how it's shown. Guess they didn't anticipate 'instant replay' capabilities being available to the general public of the future

[pov603]

I agree that the footage does not fully stand up to scrutiny presumably because they never expected it to be scrutinised with instant replays as you've mentioned.

I do wonder if these alleged explosions were supposed to be at sea level, below sea level, air-burst or below ground whether there was ever any 'tsunami' recorded [depending upon which ones could possibly have ever caused one ie air-burst ones could probably not [only speculating here!]].

Anyway, depending upon how big the explosions were supposed to be, and I do accept that a 'tsunami' caused by an earthquake is as a result of many more times energy released than that of a 'nuclear bomb' however, as energy would supposed to have been released [and I remember reading that the Krakatoa explosion allegedly raised recorded tide levels in UK/France albeit by 'inches'] surely there would be some record of the effect this/this had on average port/tide levels even thousands of kms from the alleged point of detonation.

It might be worth seeing if such records are kept of this information around the vicinity as we are all aware nowadays that the effects of a 'tsunami' are felt far far from their point of origin.

[reel.deal]

NUKE-PROOF CLOUDS





guess thats the 'clouds too high' theory finished then...