V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by pov603 » Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:06 am

You can imagine the conversation after the 'bombs' started falling:
-'Hey Didier! I will search the nearby quarries one or two kilometres outside of Paris'
-'What about me?'
-'Oh, you? You go search 75km beyond Paris'
-'Which direction?'
-Oh...er...er...any'

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by fubarfuthark » Mon Feb 29, 2016 1:44 pm

I once spent an afternoon inspecting footage of old WW2 newsreels, looking at maps of where london was bombed, trying to unpick the stories of the battle of britain and the subsequent 'blitz'.

The more I thought about it, the more I started to wonder if the Luftwaffe ever actually entered British airspace at all. If one thinks about it there is a certain logic to it. If you were a hot under the collar Luftwaffe pilot, what is to stop you disobeying orders and bombing, say for example, the houses of parliament, buckingham palace or goodness knows what else. I mean we all know that at the highest levels these wars are not REALLY wars at all, but that individuals could nevertheless get carried away and actually destroy a high value target. The only way to guarantee this not happening would be to sound the air raid sirens, get everyone underground and send the elite RAF air squadrons into the air to bomb london. Then blame it on the beastly Germans.

It might seem implausible, but the opium-dealing, indian and irish-starving, kurd-gassing British crown WOULD do it. Think about them standing there on front of the Cenotaph, while Nimrod from the Engima variations oozes out of the speakers and some doddering tommies show their medals...scum!

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by antipodean » Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:49 am

fubarfuthark wrote:I once spent an afternoon inspecting footage of old WW2 newsreels, looking at maps of where london was bombed, trying to unpick the stories of the battle of britain and the subsequent 'blitz'.

The more I thought about it, the more I started to wonder if the Luftwaffe ever actually entered British airspace at all. If one thinks about it there is a certain logic to it. If you were a hot under the collar Luftwaffe pilot, what is to stop you disobeying orders and bombing, say for example, the houses of parliament, buckingham palace or goodness knows what else. I mean we all know that at the highest levels these wars are not REALLY wars at all, but that individuals could nevertheless get carried away and actually destroy a high value target. The only way to guarantee this not happening would be to sound the air raid sirens, get everyone underground and send the elite RAF air squadrons into the air to bomb london. Then blame it on the beastly Germans.

It might seem implausible, but the opium-dealing, indian and irish-starving, kurd-gassing British crown WOULD do it. Think about them standing there on front of the Cenotaph, while Nimrod from the Engima variations oozes out of the speakers and some doddering tommies show their medals...scum!
Then the icing on the cake being to Carpet/ Fire bomb the inner city residential areas of Dresden and Hamburg. Then say, 'there you go, take that for doing it to us'.
Similar to bombing the crap out of Afghanistan because, the people who flew planes into and knocked down our towers live there.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by Apache » Mon Mar 07, 2016 9:03 am

fubarfuthark wrote:The only way to guarantee this not happening would be to sound the air raid sirens, get everyone underground and send the elite RAF air squadrons into the air to bomb london. Then blame it on the beastly Germans.

It might seem implausible, but the opium-dealing, indian and irish-starving, kurd-gassing British crown WOULD do it.
Haven't you read Catch 22? ;)

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Unread post by fubarfuthark » Mon Mar 07, 2016 3:58 pm

Yes, and I have also seen the film 'Underground' by Kusturica. Everything to do with wars in Yugoslavia stinks to high heavens.

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2 ... yugoslavia

I like the thought of the person who sold it to them being little more than a gypsy pedlar selling trinkets or offering to pave the driveway.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by aa5 » Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:32 am

I imagine around that era of the 1940's that large areas of European cities would have to be demolished and rebuilt, to accommodate the new utilities, streets, and density that would be needed in the new era. My own view of history is an adapting political & social organization to the changing technological and scientific advances.

During the 1920's and especially the 1930's the farm combine radically altered Western societies. Before the farm combine, a farmer divided his field into 3 sections; one to farm crops to sell, one for the animals used in farming to graze, and one left fallow. With the farm combine, farmers were able to increase from 1/3rd to 2/3rds of their land under cultivation at any one time. And to carry out the farming with far less labor than before.

The result was that our nations were awash in food, and the farming communities across the land were devastated. This created decades of idiotic 'supply management' farming policies from national governments - still in effect in the West, to try to deal with the surplus of food(although in the 1980's the USA dismantled a fair amount of their supply management.) Hence why American food is so cheap today, relative to other Western nations.

Millions, upon millions of people were forced to flee the farming communities and head to our cities. Fortunately the same technology that enabled the farm combine, the combustion engine, allowed for a huge expansion in cities. The radius that people could live in and still commute to the centers of Western cities for work, vastly expanded. If you are interested look on wikipedia at the parabolic increase in populations of the big western cities during 1925-1955.

To put these millions of people displaced from the farming communities to work, building the commuter highways, the new subdivisions & apartment blocks, and the new utility lines -electrical, telephone, water. There were some barriers in the way. Like the property rights, heritage buildings, many years of 'public consultations', environmental reviews, lawsuits over expropriation, etc.


Unless, of course, there was a national emergency, requiring the national governments to make executive decisions without restraint. Say you have a bunch of old, low density, out of code buildings, and a maze like road structure - with thousands of residents living there, including some with positions of power, fighting you every step of the way... wouldn't it be nice to come up from the subway bomb shelters, and find that sadly, that area was reduced to rubble?

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by Peter » Sat Nov 02, 2019 5:10 am

That's a brilliant post aa5 and opens up a can of worms.

Someone earlier said it was unlikely that, with all the supposed hundreds of rocket bombs, none hit any of the many historical buildings. True, but what of the supposed thousands of aircraft bombs? This was total war, why not bomb Buckingham Palace and Parliament? Someone else mentioned the RAF doing the bombing but that's still dangerous. Simple ground based demolition has to be the answer. Done when everybody is underground in shelters or evacuated from the city.

People apparently eventually lost their fear of the "bombs" and used to talk of them like the weather - "It's very blitzy today". I wonder which war was the last real war.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by heniek1812 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:24 am

fubarfuthark » February 29th, 2016, 2:44 pm wrote:The more I thought about it, the more I started to wonder if the Luftwaffe ever actually entered British airspace at all. If one thinks about it there is a certain logic to it. If you were a hot under the collar Luftwaffe pilot, what is to stop you disobeying orders and bombing, say for example, the houses of parliament, buckingham palace or goodness knows what else. I mean we all know that at the highest levels these wars are not REALLY wars at all, but that individuals could nevertheless get carried away and actually destroy a high value target. The only way to guarantee this not happening would be to sound the air raid sirens, get everyone underground and send the elite RAF air squadrons into the air to bomb london. Then blame it on the beastly Germans.
A little late to the party but I'll put my few cents into this discussion.

Here are some hints as to why perhaps the Germans would have not bombed these building,
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Windsor
and that famous Dunkirk
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-myste ... r-the-kill

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by Peter » Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:02 am

They were/are illuminati puppets just like Hitler (many photos of him throwing the devil signs and masonic handshakes). Do you really think the Germans took it easy on London because several generations prior a German family from nowhere, now called Windsor, seemingly magically were put onto the British throne?

The British and Germans were meticulously careful not to bomb any building of historic importance of the "enemy". Weird kind of total war. More like demolitions exactly as aa5 described.

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Unread post by heniek1812 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:48 am

Peter » November 6th, 2019, 5:02 am wrote:Do you really think the Germans took it easy on London because several generations prior a German family from nowhere, now called Windsor, seemingly magically were put onto the British throne?
I can't be sure of anything. Just the last 50 yrs. of history on this planet shows this clearly. However as an economic power German started to step on toes of the British Empire and .... WWII. However Hitler and Company initially wanted to resolve things as "quietly" as possible without too much shooting. Well it did not work out. From my reading of the tea leaves even after the war started he still was hoping the stupid Brits would come to the table and make a deal. Wrong. That was not The Plan. The Plan was to drain as much blood from the Germans and the Soviets lead by Stalin. Stalin was not the "right" man in place as per what The Planners wanted. Hence the desire to destroy Soviet Union along the way and break it up into pieces. That's what I am thinking.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by nokidding » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:40 am

Perhaps more accurate to say that WW1 was a project engineered to prevent German industrial growth overtaking the British Empire. The old enemy, Imperial Russia was destroyed by mobilising and financing the Bolsheviks, using ethnic insurgency to wipe out and replace a whole culture and class. Germany faced the same treatment after WW1, both internally and by invasion. Germany arrested the Communists and threw off the international banks and rearmed, so WW2 was engineered. With Germany raped and starved and burnt alive, Eastern Europe was occupied and ethnically cleansed by the Bolsheviks, whilst Western Europe came under NATO control. The Cold War kept the arrangement going for forty years until the USSR was privatised in the late 1980s, in line with the new thinking. However Russia, like Germany post Weimar, reasserted her sovereignty…

Solzhenitsyn would have us remember who the Bolsheviks were, and what they did. He is not simplistic about it, just wants us to look, acknowledge, and probably explain why we were on their side.

The fate that awaited the German upper class industrialists and military explains why they were behind Hitler and the National Socialists - which on the face of it seems incongruous. Bismark said a preemptive strike was like 'committing suicide because of fear of death'. Surely this must describe the invasion of Russia.

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Unread post by heniek1812 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:39 am

nokidding » November 7th, 2019, 8:40 am wrote:Solzhenitsyn would have us remember who the Bolsheviks were, and what they did. He is not simplistic about it, just wants us to look, acknowledge, and probably explain why we were on their side.
Yes, he wanted to do that but realized very quickly once he was in the West that that was not going to be so simple. Free Speech is only free if you don't try to reveal what is behind the curtain. I suspect that is why he disappeared from public life when he was in the US. Official explanation, he was doing research. :lol:

A litmus test of this is the fact that there is no published English version of "Two Hundred Years Together". We have access to all his other books criticizing the Soviet Union but not this one. So criticize the wrong people when you have a bit high Public Image and you will be ........

The same number has been played on Hongbing Song with his book "Currency Wars". Interestingly if you try to find him by just the title (not using his full name), forget it. Give it a try just for fun using Google.

Another person telling it straight (who may have left us because of it) was James Goldsmith with his book "The Trap".
nokidding » November 7th, 2019, 8:40 am wrote: Surely this must describe the invasion of Russia.
I don't understand this decision at all. I would love to know how it was made. Was Hitler the driver of this decision ? Was he so far gone from his drug taking that he lost touch with Reality ? I have no idea. Suvorov weaves a good story but he stinks to high heaven. GRU agent who is still alive ??? He wrote in one of his books that the only way out of GRU was through the chimney. He looks like anything but smoke.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by nokidding » Fri Nov 08, 2019 8:18 am

The Red Army build up in 1941 was offensive and of a scale that it had to attack at some point in time. The logistics prohibited staying put. Perhaps there was little choice but to make a pre-emptive attack. History is written as if Hitler was an idiot and exercised complete arbitrary power, but it's more likely the generals took the advantage and preferred to fight on Russian soil. They knew what happened twenty years before, read:
'Warsaw 1920: Lenin’s Failed Conquest of Europe' by Adam Zamoyski.

Not published but 200 Yrs Together can be found online in English.

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Re: V1 and V2 NAZI rockets (WW2): another old hoax?

Unread post by Peter » Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:04 pm

Come on guys, must try harder. Read aa5's post above, page 6. He has introduced strong evidence (and I have since found much more) that WW2 was a hoax and you're happily going on as if he never posted.

Most of us should have come to the conclusion that the Holocaust was faked (I'm sure this forum has enough) and the German rocket bombs were fake (this very thread). Is it really such a jump to realise that the whole war was faked?

It is related to levels of conditioning and breaking conditioning bit by bit.

Eg It is easier to discover that Apollo was faked but still believe in low earth orbit travel - Shuttle, ISS. The later realisation is that all space travel is faked. I showed in the "Advanced Building Technology in Remote Antiquity?" thread that the 4000 year stone built Egyptian pyramids idea is nonsence and they happily went on with their naive ideas about these "ancient" monuments. Of couse I didn't go far enough ie antiquity was probably a 15th or 16th century invention anyway (see "Velikovsky, Fomenko..." thread).

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