THE NUKE HOAX

[fbenario]

what if some form of Nuclear ex-im/plosion does exist.

What if my auntie had balls?

Vivek, if wishes and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas. No more offhand speculations. All they do is waste everyone's time.

[hoi.polloi]

No speculation with this. This is just a description of what is supposed to be a nuclear bomb. Not sure how it reads to y'all but I want a much better explanation than this stuff from a very alarmist conspiracy site:

http://www.viewzone.com/hbombx.html

[VivekAnand]

Vivek,

As I already advised you, the primary purpose and focus of this forum is to investigate and evaluate verifiable facts and evidence, not unprovable myths or unsubstantiated speculations and claims dreamed up by opportunists and quacks to sell books.

To better understand our position on this subject, I would strongly recommend that you "take the hour or so" necessary to read the entire discussion on this topic from the start before presuming to promote unprovable theories and hearsay of others.

First off, thanks to all the oldies for the Newbie smackdown. Especially brianv, who left me with nothing kind to say in return.

Very welcoming. :-)

Maat, I just wanted to clarify, having spent another 2 days and many hours on the many fascinating boards here, are you and the other admins the sole judges of "Our Position". Are you saying you have a fixed position? That Nuclear Bombs are impossible? Really? Being decades and grainy pictures/film away, you've all decided that?

Perhaps the accepted story is a fiction, is all.


Also, I've read pages and pages of "Feelings" (like you on the Beatles section, long winded, well written but really "soft" thoughts on the why/why not of PID and your personal discussion with Nonhocapito on the subject.. I've also read and seen the lyrics of pop/rock songs pasted, rock videos, Carteman and other South Park episodes and their youtube pages/links, off colour cartoons. On the Anuj Bidve murder hoax pages, even off colour Indian jokes.

I've also read long posts on numerology, 3, 33, the occult significance of 9/11, Lot's of unsubstantiated stuff in the Jew Bashing pages, what seems like endless feather ruffling, un-ruffling, plenty of cult of personality type grovelling...

Hardly the stuff of, as you said above " focus of this forum is to investigate and evaluate verifiable facts and evidence, not unprovable myths or unsubstantiated speculations".

If anyone feels like, please clarify. If not, I'm happy to take myself back to reader status. A newbie to the board neither means newbie to life, nor the net nor the many topics that are discussed here.

Regards all around,

Vivek

PS: The link I suggested, the man who's in it and what he has to say ARE pertinent additions to this discussion. Having a book to sell does not make a person an opportunist or a quack. Perhaps a rush to judgement on your part. Also, my best mind-expansion has happened through serendipitous link-shares like this. Kind of like how I found clues forum in the first place. ;-)

[hoi.polloi]

First off, thanks to all the oldies for the Newbie smackdown. Especially brianv, who left me with nothing kind to say in return.

Very welcoming. :-)

Woah. A little early in your postings here to bring that level of unclear sarcasm to the table, no?

You have seen how others have been "welcomed" here - they aren't. That's not how we operate. Are you trying to complain about your treatment? If you are really not a "noob" to all sorts of topics and Internet situations, as you claim, perhaps here is where you should get over your habit of expecting respect from the Internet. The cyber world is where some of the worst emotions and statements come out of people. Move on and ask yourself: do you actually care about the topic or are you looking for some kind of "acceptance" in a digital community?

We don't "accept" people into this digital community, because it almost isn't one. We are just trying to gather evidence. Go ahead and point out all the faults, but where else have you ever seen discussion - in such depth - about the glaring mistakes and cracks in the world simulation that is held aloft and used to oppress all societies with television integrated into their systems?

Are you saying you have a fixed position? That Nuclear Bombs are impossible? Really? Being decades and grainy pictures/film away, you've all decided that?

Perhaps the accepted story is a fiction, is all.

The point of exposing the simulation is to present the possibility that the accepted story is a fiction. There is also the possibility that there is some truth in it. But we aim to establish our "common sense" that extremely artificial artistry is being used to tell the story, and that this story is wrongly presented as "accepted fact". Indeed, that is the main, common speculation of the forum.

As for the numerology distraction and the dividing of people into "good" and "evil" tribes, or youtube videos, I find these things less important.

Yes, we admins do "rule over" this little forum like tyrants. I would ask you: what choice is there should we want to make a very specific sieve of information for the types we are open to?

We don't want promotions, we don't want segues, or tangents into esoteric territory. Personally, I would shut down the numerological speculations and resentful talk of "Jews", "Illuminati" or other hatespeech, but on the other hand some emotion is bound to come through in this investigation. It's "only human", I guess?

So please, we ask you to value the small amount of really good content we have, and try to ignore the distasteful. It doesn't help if you contribute mediocre things and say, "Well there is a lot of mediocre/boring stuff already here so why not just let me post something like that?" That just perpetuates the problem.

Use your brain and bring something really good to the table. We would all be quite thankful.

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Also, any physicists with a real hard scientific mindset willing to ask some good questions about the above "nuclear bomb" model?

[reel.deal]

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/N ... #nfaq8.1.3


atomic-trucker-how-a-truck-driver-reverse-engineered-the-atomic-bomb-documentary
http://motherboard.vice.com/2010/7/16/a ... ocumentary


"The secret of the atomic bomb," says John Coster-Mullen, "is how easy they are to make."

no shit. ...recommended.

if Little Boy, FatMan, & all the rest worked so great,
why the need to fake any mushroom cloud imagery ?

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/g ... ucker_who/

[Maat]

Vivek,

I think Hoi.polloi has clarified it for you very well. However, I would add that trying to parse, nit-pick and judge what we may discuss here in context and in the appropriate forums is not the way to earn respect from any group of people. Reading for comprehension is also recommended, as what I said regarding the 'primary purpose and focus of this forum' still applies throughout, even within "soft" subjects. For instance, the specific topic you referenced was in the "Living Room" forum which is subtitled "A place to relax and socialize — to muse, think aloud and suggest" (yet where my focus still repeatedly returns to what can be verified and demonstrated, regardless).

This forum topic is listed under "The Cold War and the Nuke Hoax – Mass terror and propaganda in the Age of the Bomb."
Despite the inevitable variations in perception and prejudice, to be expected in any diverse group of people, we as admin can only try to maintain some balance and direction without resorting to overt censorship. That is obviously a challenging task considering the main subject we deal with is the psychological warfare perpetrated on us by governments and media to manipulate mass perceptions.

Nevertheless, anyone who comes here with a presumptive attitude of superiority, entitlement or any kind of equivocal personal agenda will be treated accordingly. Wannabe gurus on the net are a dime a dozen and our forum is not obliged to entertain them.

[reel.deal]

those wavy smoke trails are supposed to be some kind of tracers they launched with it, used in all such tests apparently, to measure something about the explosion...

Edit: Found it! They are "smoke rockets launched from the ground seconds before the detonation. This created a vertical array of reference lines against which the progress of the shock front could be photographed"; according to: http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/SmokeTrails.html


"Tumbler-Snapper Able" 1952


"Upshot-Knothole Annie" 1953...................................."Upshot-Knothole Climax"



I don't get how they weren't blown away by the shockwave, as you'd expect from any kind of massive explosion

Nukes dont dent smoke trails !!!

O.M.G. !

It sure looks that way, don't it! Reminds me of the vids with 'nuke proof' clouds
Even presuming those 'smoke rockets' were launched a long way from the epicenter,
surely any 'explosion' would cause some wind, just a breeze should blow 'em away
— so I'd love to know how they explain that


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEeuzEi9_2c


NUKE-PROOF CLOUDS





guess thats the 'clouds too high' theory finished then...


viewtopic.php?f=28&t=452&start=60

The 10 million degrees Nuclear blast & shockwave didnt roll the bus over,
the tyres didnt melt or puncture, so i hot-wired the ignition & then me &
photographer went for a busride, looking for Ben&Gerrys ice-cream...




so we do now actually have plenty of 'proof' of nukes...
nuke-proof clouds, nuke-proof smoke trails,
nuke-proof mannequins, nuke-proof cameras,
nuke-proof camera-films, nuke-proof buses,
etc etc etc...

Who needs boring old nukes anyhow when two hollow aluminium airplanes can wipe out half of Manhattan?

[brianv]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/ ... clear-bomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOA ... r_embedded

Five men agree to stand under an Atomic Bomb. Simply the worstest stupidest fakest shit I've ever seen!

And the writer of this blog also asks:

If you are hit by two Atomic Bombs should you have kids?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/ ... -have-kids

No, you should be dead you fucking clown!

[Maat]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2012/ ... clear-bomb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOA ... r_embedded

Five men agree to stand under an Atomic Bomb. Simply the worstest stupidest fakest shit I've ever seen!

Crikey, that really takes the cake!

My fave is the stupid line in their hammy script trying to suggest the lousy 50s film FX 'blackout' is a 'real' phenomenon unique to "atomic explosions",
@ 1 min into the video:
“...a fireball that is red, the sky looks black about it...” Yep, it's so powerful it can turn off the sun!

And, in the second vid on that blog we have a retro/precurser (hehe) to the exclamations dubbed over 9/11 vids:

"Holy shit!" x 2 @ YT vid time-start: 3m14s and 3m24s

[Ref from http://nuclearsecrecy.com/blog/2012/07/ ... bomb-1953/ by Alex Wellerstein]

It seems the perps' Hollywood fakery artists have been busy creating new hi-res versions (concepts) of 'A-bomb tests' too, just like their 9/11 counterparts...

Here's a fascinating website:
“a division of Visual Concept Entertainment”

Read about its creator, Peter Kuran:



This video, uploaded by atomcentral on Dec 11, 2011, is cunningly presented as a real aerial film of an atomic bomb test in 1951, in full color and from a static camera view — from what and how, a 3 mile high 'sky hook' ?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUBqRQ

Gotta the classic “camera shake” at the end

A preview of Kuran's "documentary" 'work':


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvnWXf6UZXY

More @ http://wn.com/trinity_and_beyond_clip

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http://www.facebook.com/peter.kuran

And Alex Jones is a listed 'favorite'

[Simon1961]

I've been reading these threads and the nukelies forum for a couple of hours now.

Might it be the case that the bombs were exploded above ground in order to make sure people wouldn't question the lack of a blast crater that would arise from just a fuel bomb ? I note that unlike the missing blast craters under the LEMs there doesn't seem to be much discussion on this point.

It occurs to me that since the Americans would have got their hands on German technology in May of 1945 they could have used this against Japan.

[hoi.polloi]

I've been reading these threads and the nukelies forum for a couple of hours now.

Might it be the case that the bombs were exploded above ground in order to make sure people wouldn't question the lack of a blast crater that would arise from just a fuel bomb ? I note that unlike the missing blast craters under the LEMs there doesn't seem to be much discussion on this point.

It occurs to me that since the Americans would have got their hands on German technology in May of 1945 they could have used this against Japan.

I don't follow you. You're saying the nuclear bomb is real, but they disguised it as a conventional bomb, then disguised the disguise as a fake nuclear bomb?

[Simon1961]

No. I'm saying that if the bomb was real and landed on the ground it would have left a huge crater. They knew it wasn't real and therefore couldn't let it explode on the ground.

[fbenario]

I don't follow you. You're saying the nuclear bomb is real, but they disguised it as a conventional bomb, then disguised the disguise as a fake nuclear bomb?

What an AWESOME sentence!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Andrew1484]

I've been reading these threads and the nukelies forum for a couple of hours now.

Might it be the case that the bombs were exploded above ground in order to make sure people wouldn't question the lack of a blast crater that would arise from just a fuel bomb ? I note that unlike the missing blast craters under the LEMs there doesn't seem to be much discussion on this point.

It occurs to me that since the Americans would have got their hands on German technology in May of 1945 they could have used this against Japan.

What relevant and known WW2 "German technology" are you thinking about?

Having visited Hiroshima and Nagasaki (and the museums there) I think that whatever the weapon used was --- and as is claimed by the war criminal, mass murdering US regime --- it was apparently an airburst weapon --- this was done to maximise area blast damage. Fuel-air thermobaric weapons are often, presumably, deployed as airburst weapons for the same reason. A crater is pointless if you are trying to cause maximum damage to a city over the largest possible area with a single weapon of mass destruction.

Officially of course (if nuclear weapons do exist) there is another reason to make it an airburst weapon. A ground burst weapon would theoretically incorporate ground soil into the initial fireball, where it would become radioactive, the fireball would then rise, containing a lot of contaminated soil and mud etc., and so a ground burst weapon would theoretically be a much dirtier weapon, producing a much larger quantity of radioactive fallout. "Black Rain" fallout was reported in Japan and this "dirty mud" based "fallout" does appear to have caused contamination of people, followed by sickness and death.

The war criminal US elites apparently secretly boast, out at Bohemian Grove, that the weapons used on Hiroshima & Nagasaki were initially planned at Bohemian Grove, in one of their buildings.

There is of course no way for us to know what kind of weapon was "really" used on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The war criminal, mass murdering, US regime claims that it used a gun-type U235 weapon on Hiroshima and an implosion type plutonium weapon on Nagasaki. But of course it appears that whatever was really used as an experimental weapon system on those cities, a lot of Kol Nidre lying Khazars may have been involved in this weapon project, so we should not trust anything they, or the sub-human-war-criminal-mass-murdering US regime, might say about this subject.

We now know of course that the war criminal mass-murdering US regime deliberately (and perversely) kept the war going from May 1945 to August 1945, completely unnecessarily. Japan was starting to beg to surrender from May 1945, but war criminal US regime filth like Stimson insisted on keeping the war going long enough so that he could test his city-busting "gadgets" in August 1945.

The only real condition for surrender that Japan wanted was that the war criminal Emperor Hirohito should not be executed for war crimes but should instead be exonerated and remain as Emperor of Japan. This one condition was granted only after Stimson's gadgets had been tested in August 1945. This surrender condition could have been granted in May 1945 and WW2 could have stopped then, saving countless lives.

Timeline May to August 1945:
http://ayoung2084.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3325

[lux]

... as is claimed by the war criminal, mass murdering US regime ...

...The war criminal US elites ...

...The war criminal, mass murdering, US regime claims ...

... the sub-human-war-criminal-mass-murdering US regime ...

... the war criminal mass-murdering US regime deliberately ...

... war criminal US regime filth ...