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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby sentientlinergy on July 29th, 2012, 12:38 pm

The chemtrails topic is still blocked!
check this vídeo
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPo6BJYlh_c
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on July 29th, 2012, 1:54 pm

sentientlinergy wrote:The chemtrails topic is still blocked!
check this vídeo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPo6BJYlh_c

It was locked for good reason, as we can see! So what is color-manipulated imagery of weather patterns supposed to be 'evidence' of exactly? :rolleyes:

Maybe a little more research might help :) e.g. http://contrailscience.com/
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on July 29th, 2012, 6:57 pm

[No, I obviously don't need to be reminded that Salon, like all controlled media, is a perp-site.]

After reading this, all new members will understand why even listening to TV/radio news, much less believing a single thing you [think you] learn, is ludicrous, and unworthy of your time:

Here’s what is most interesting to me about all of this. This episode will undoubtedly be used to claim — yet again — that the Internet cannot be trusted, that it is prone to circulating myths and rumors, and that we need traditional journalistic institutions to verify facts and confirm the truth.

I think this proves exactly the opposite.
The first known Internet mention anywhere of this well-crafted fake column appeared very late Saturday night. By early Sunday morning — less than 12 hours later — it was exposed as a hoax. That happened by virtue of all of the strengths which the Internet uniquely offers, and which traditional journalism precludes: collective analysis, using one’s readers (tens of thousands of people, if not more) to help with research and investigation, instant and mass collaboration with other journalists and experts, an open and transparent analytical and investigative process.

That’s why errors and frauds have a very short life-span on the Internet. The power to tap into collective knowledge and research is so much more potent than being confined to a single journalistic outlet. The ability to have one’s work take the form of a mass dialogue, rather than a stagnant monologue, is incredibly valuable. It is true that the Internet can be used to disseminate falsehoods quickly, but it just as quickly roots them out and exposes them in a way that the traditional model of journalism and its closed, insular, one-way form of communication could never do.
...
This collaborative model enabled by the Internet strengthens every aspect of journalism and, as today’s episode shows, obliterates errors quickly and definitively.

For anyone who still believes that traditional journalism is inherently more reliable than the Internet
, just follow the excellent suggestion this morning from Alexa O’Brien: just compare the duration and seriousness of the frauds and fakes enabled by the model of traditional journalism. Long before the Internet — in 1938 — a dramatized radio broadcast by Orson Wells (“The War of the Worlds”) of Martians landing on Earth spawned mass panic. More recently, consider the fraud of Iraqi WMDs and the Saddam-Al Qaeda alliance propagated by the nation’s leading traditional media outlets, or the fraudulent story they perpetrated of how grateful Iraqis spontaneously pulled down the Saddam statute, or the fraudulent tales they told of Jessica Lynch engaging in a heroic firefight with menacing Iraqis and Pat Tillman standing up to Al Qaeda fighters before they gunned him down. And that’s to say nothing of the Jayson-Blair-type of rouge, outright fabrications.

Those frauds were vastly more harmful than anything the Internet has produced. And they took far longer to expose. That’s because they were disseminated by stagnant, impenetrable media outlets which believe only in talking to themselves and trusting only government sources. Nobody can get away with that on the Internet. The voices are far more diversified, the scrutiny is far more rigorous, the feedback is much more rapid, and the process is much more democratized. Yes, the Internet enabled a fake Bill Keller column to fool some people for a few hours, but — through the work of anonymous, uncredentialed people — it also immediately exposed the hoax, documented how it happened, and drew rapid lessons from it. The prime lesson is not that Internet journalism is more prone to errors; it’s that it is far more adept and agile at detecting and banishing them."

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/29/the_cur ... _internet/
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on July 29th, 2012, 10:30 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzrI15uw92k

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby whatsgoingon on July 30th, 2012, 1:33 am

fbenario wrote:[No, I obviously don't need to be reminded that Salon, like all controlled media, is a perp-site.]

After reading this, all new members will understand why even listening to TV/radio news, much less believing a single thing you [think you] learn, is ludicrous, and unworthy of your time:

Here’s what is most interesting to me about all of this. This episode will undoubtedly be used to claim — yet again — that the Internet cannot be trusted, that it is prone to circulating myths and rumors, and that we need traditional journalistic institutions to verify facts and confirm the truth.

I think this proves exactly the opposite.
The first known Internet mention anywhere of this well-crafted fake column appeared very late Saturday night. By early Sunday morning — less than 12 hours later — it was exposed as a hoax. That happened by virtue of all of the strengths which the Internet uniquely offers, and which traditional journalism precludes: collective analysis, using one’s readers (tens of thousands of people, if not more) to help with research and investigation, instant and mass collaboration with other journalists and experts, an open and transparent analytical and investigative process.

That’s why errors and frauds have a very short life-span on the Internet. The power to tap into collective knowledge and research is so much more potent than being confined to a single journalistic outlet. The ability to have one’s work take the form of a mass dialogue, rather than a stagnant monologue, is incredibly valuable. It is true that the Internet can be used to disseminate falsehoods quickly, but it just as quickly roots them out and exposes them in a way that the traditional model of journalism and its closed, insular, one-way form of communication could never do.
...
This collaborative model enabled by the Internet strengthens every aspect of journalism and, as today’s episode shows, obliterates errors quickly and definitively.

For anyone who still believes that traditional journalism is inherently more reliable than the Internet
, just follow the excellent suggestion this morning from Alexa O’Brien: just compare the duration and seriousness of the frauds and fakes enabled by the model of traditional journalism. Long before the Internet — in 1938 — a dramatized radio broadcast by Orson Wells (“The War of the Worlds”) of Martians landing on Earth spawned mass panic. More recently, consider the fraud of Iraqi WMDs and the Saddam-Al Qaeda alliance propagated by the nation’s leading traditional media outlets, or the fraudulent story they perpetrated of how grateful Iraqis spontaneously pulled down the Saddam statute, or the fraudulent tales they told of Jessica Lynch engaging in a heroic firefight with menacing Iraqis and Pat Tillman standing up to Al Qaeda fighters before they gunned him down. And that’s to say nothing of the Jayson-Blair-type of rouge, outright fabrications.

Those frauds were vastly more harmful than anything the Internet has produced. And they took far longer to expose. That’s because they were disseminated by stagnant, impenetrable media outlets which believe only in talking to themselves and trusting only government sources. Nobody can get away with that on the Internet. The voices are far more diversified, the scrutiny is far more rigorous, the feedback is much more rapid, and the process is much more democratized. Yes, the Internet enabled a fake Bill Keller column to fool some people for a few hours, but — through the work of anonymous, uncredentialed people — it also immediately exposed the hoax, documented how it happened, and drew rapid lessons from it. The prime lesson is not that Internet journalism is more prone to errors; it’s that it is far more adept and agile at detecting and banishing them."

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/29/the_cur ... _internet/


I was at a high school reunion and someone started a conversation with me saying that his friends back in Britain are starting to believe in all kinds of conspiracy theories and he cannot understand it at all. I said well that is because these space programs and terrorists etc are all faked and staged. But he refused to admit my viewpoint and instead basically restated the gist of this Salon article. So I am afraid this is right that the new cover is the "free internet" were many actors and cheap cell phone videos are going to be used to make real the latest fake news.

Also Maat, thanks for the Olympics video. Made be laugh out loud. :)
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on July 30th, 2012, 1:49 am

whatsgoingon wrote:the new cover is the "free internet" were many actors and cheap cell phone videos are going to be used to make real the latest fake news.

That is way too narrow a viewpoint. You, of all people, already know the internet gave us the means to reach all of our - and thus all of the forum's - conclusions, and to 'meet' each other. As a result, I would suggest the internet is the necessary tool needed to educate the masses about fakery.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby whatsgoingon on July 30th, 2012, 11:41 am

fbenario wrote:
whatsgoingon wrote:the new cover is the "free internet" were many actors and cheap cell phone videos are going to be used to make real the latest fake news.

That is way too narrow a viewpoint. You, of all people, already know the internet gave us the means to reach all of our - and thus all of the forum's - conclusions, and to 'meet' each other. As a result, I would suggest the internet is the necessary tool needed to educate the masses about fakery.


You are right and I feel the same way about finding this forum and seeing the fakery from many sides, but the masses are perhaps intended (whether it is effective or not is another issue) to be trapped on the internet in sub-conspiracies, smaller plots, and other fake cell phone uploads and eye-witness accounts.

The internet is a two-way street with much potential upside, but money and influence are likely also being used to trap souls.

The weird thing though was that someone I met two days ago was trying to defend the major media by saying the internet necessarily means the media cannot fake it anymore. That is something I think we here can see is not true.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby sentientlinergy on July 30th, 2012, 10:34 pm

Maat wrote:
sentientlinergy wrote:The chemtrails topic is still blocked!
check this vídeo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPo6BJYlh_c

It was locked for good reason, as we can see! So what is color-manipulated imagery of weather patterns supposed to be 'evidence' of exactly? :rolleyes:

Maybe a little more research might help :) e.g. http://contrailscience.com/

The smaler images are here http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/RGB/EVIEW/ The white is the dry aerosols, and after falling in the air and absorbing the humidity they become yellow. The second image is the "natural color" http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MS ... TURALCOLOR , they are suposed to be natural, and eumetsat claims the cyan are ice particles, but it is now easy to understand that they are dry aerosols.
The background image is the precipitation estimative http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MS ... /index.htm , acording to the images rain is now scientificaly created by planes ! Unfortunately most times the cyan hides extrem aerosol dumps.

If you are still in doubt after reflecting, here you have 10 years of chemtrail operations seen by the two modis satellites. http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/?calendar
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on July 31st, 2012, 1:35 am

sentientlinergy wrote:
Maat wrote:
sentientlinergy wrote:The chemtrails topic is still blocked!
check this vídeo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPo6BJYlh_c

It was locked for good reason, as we can see! So what is color-manipulated imagery of weather patterns supposed to be 'evidence' of exactly? :rolleyes:

Maybe a little more research might help :) e.g. http://contrailscience.com/

The smaler images are here http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MSG/RGB/EVIEW/ The white is the dry aerosols, and after falling in the air and absorbing the humidity they become yellow. The second image is the "natural color" http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MS ... TURALCOLOR , they are suposed to be natural, and eumetsat claims the cyan are ice particles, but it is now easy to understand that they are dry aerosols.
The background image is the precipitation estimative http://oiswww.eumetsat.org/IPPS/html/MS ... /index.htm , acording to the images rain is now scientificaly created by planes ! Unfortunately most times the cyan hides extrem aerosol dumps.

If you are still in doubt after reflecting, here you have 10 years of chemtrail operations seen by the two modis satellites. http://rapidfire.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/realtime/?calendar

Again, how is any of that enhanced imagery supposed to be 'evidence' of "aerosol dumps", of what and according to whom? Did you ever bother to research the origins of the "Chemtrails theory" or even look at that site link I posted?

Who came up with the theory of chemtrails?

The theory grew online around 1997 out of concerns regarding pollution from jet fuel additives. It’s not clear if one person started it, but some of the early names mentioned are Larry Wayne Harris, Richard Finke, John Grace, and Bill Brumbaugh. It has been greatly promoted by William Thomas, Art Bell and Jeff Rense.

(The fact that MSM has hyped it with misinformation to keep it alive should be a clue too)

See also, "Flight Lines: Why contrails hang around" Air & Space magazine, July 2007
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on July 31st, 2012, 7:22 pm

Nice, at least in the sense that it shows we're not the only people on the look-out.

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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on July 31st, 2012, 8:18 pm

Managed to track down the source of this one at EPA (via http://martindeane.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/syria/):
http://www.epa.eu/webgate/

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@ http://www.epa.eu/webgate/preview.php?U ... D=50441600
Image Number: 50441600
Photographer: SINAN GUL/ANADOLU AGENCY Date Created: 26.07.2012
Caption:
epa03318500 A Syrian family flee the violence near Aleppo, Syria, 26 July 2012. According to media reports, Syrian rebels and government forces on 26 July 2012 fought fierce battles for control of Syria's two largest cities of Damascus and Aleppo, opposition activists said. EPA/SINAN GUL/ANADOLU AGENCY TURKEY OUT HANDOUT EDITORIAL USE ONLY/NO SALES/NO ARCHIVES

Full Exif data

* The Krone fakery is also reported on this German site: http://die-evidenz.de/new2/index.php?op ... tid=4:welt

And @ http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/07/29/syrian-destabilization-campaign-kronen-zeitung-photoshop-propaganda/
The paper is the Kronen Zeitung which reportedly reaches about 2.7 million readers making it the largest in Austria.
Headline translates as “Assad’s army rolls with tanks to the ‘Mother of all Slaughters'.”

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ELA for EPA image:
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on August 1st, 2012, 2:17 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycb9_Y_gJ-g
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on August 1st, 2012, 4:33 pm

Maat, you totally rock.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on August 1st, 2012, 7:16 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGMESM8JKOg
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby brianv on August 1st, 2012, 7:30 pm

fbenario wrote:Maat, you totally rock.


That's why my internets takes a dive when the soaps are finished! :P
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