THE "CHATBOX"

[whatsgoingon]

Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence — those are the three pillars of Western prosperity.

Aldous Huxley

But you need fakery to help drive the cycle.

[LightCone]

Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence — those are the three pillars of Western prosperity.

Aldous Huxley

But you need fakery to help drive the cycle.

Isn't it paradoxical to think that obsolescence begets prosperity? Perhaps so, but then again, planned obsolescence can be used to benefit the elite.

[whatsgoingon]

Armaments, universal debt, and planned obsolescence — those are the three pillars of Western prosperity.

Aldous Huxley

But you need fakery to help drive the cycle.

Isn't it paradoxical to think that obsolescence begets prosperity? Perhaps so, but then again, planned obsolescence can be used to benefit the elite.

"Prosperity" is the prosperity of the elite. They need debt amongst the masses. To achieve that aim, they need items to wear out or break so that the same item is repurchased and either more debt is created or less debt is retired per paycheck.

Armaments drive public debt and planned obsolescence (today cheap (i.e., low-quality) goods from China) drive debt (public and private); however, what Aldous left out was widespread, endemic media fakery, which also serves to drive debts, taxes, and the like.

Imagine this. I hear in Ireland that they are going to rebuild a bridge with stainless steel rebar. That is an example of making public wealth -- real wealth. The old standard steel would rust and break down over time.

This is where real knowledge is obtained for us, the few that understand the world. Real wealth is obtaining goods, shelter, clothing, food systems, transport that are life-lasting and do not wear out. Real wealth is that which you do not need to buy.

[whatsgoingon]

Toyota's new Prius Solution reduces its driver's carbon footprint to zero by impaling them through the lungs with spikes as soon as they get in the car.

TPTB making a green parody. They cannot have too many fuel efficient cars. Better to associate fuel efficient cars with suicide.

Youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEddCLW3SM&feature=g-u-u

I say fuck cars altogether, but I am a revolutionary.

[fbenario]

I say fuck cars altogether, but I am a revolutionary.

Absolutely right on, and that's why you rock!

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f39Zs0gB87c

[whatsgoingon]

I say fuck cars altogether, but I am a revolutionary.

Absolutely right on, and that's why you rock!

Father, father
We don't need to escalate
You see, war is not the answer
For only love can conquer hate

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f39Zs0gB87c

Thanks fb.

I was Emory class of 1996.

Oh and this marketing for Batman. Just downright awful shit. Good Lord. Is this a sign of desperation these days?

[Maat]

I've split all the "Dark Knight Rises" theater shooting posts into a new topic thread here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1375

[whatsgoingon]

I've split all the "Dark Knight Rises" theater shooting posts into a new topic thread here: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1375

Good call, Maat, to make this an official PsyOp. I glanced at this one and see it is going to be used not simply as a promo for the movie, but more as a political device largely centered on the issue of guns.

[Maat]

I've split all the "Dark Knight Rises" theater shooting posts into a new topic thread here: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1375

Good call, Maat, to make this an official PsyOp. I glanced at this one and see it is going to be used not simply as a promo for the movie, but more as a political device largely centered on the issue of guns.

Oh crap, I didn't see Bostonterrierowner had started a related topic just after my 'breaking news' post of it here...

Edit: I've now combined Boston's thread under the one heading.

[fbenario]

The grammatical gaff that bugs me the most in America is hearing people say "would have went" , along with misheard/misunderstood sayings like "hone in on", "hold down the fort", "could care less" etc.

Excellent series of posts, Maat!

What I despise the most in language are the absurdities and misuses that have crept into common parlance through repetition and loss of standards:

that/which
lay/lie
beside/besides
neither ... nor/neither ... or never permitted under any circumstance
fewer/less
farther/further
since/because
disinterested/uninterested
noisy/noisome
fulsome/full
bring/take
affect/effect
surreal/unpredicted
irony/coincidence
enormous/enormity
desert/dessert
your/you're
its/it's
to/too/two
they're/there/their

[fbenario]

I was Emory class of 1996.

WTF? I was born at Emory Hospital, learned to ride a bicycle on the Quad at age-5, went to Druid Hills High, and graduated Emory College 83. My father taught there 1960-87 Professor of Classics (Latin and Greek), and is one of their most active Professor Emeriti. My parents live across the street from Emory Law, and are on campus every single day, even at ages 82 and 89.

Where you from? If Atlanta, what street? Where do you live now?

Having read all 30,000 posts on the forum, I have to say this one of yours is easily the most surprising post of all.

[MrSinclair]

The grammatical gaff that bugs me the most in America is hearing people say "would have went" , along with misheard/misunderstood sayings like "hone in on", "hold down the fort", "could care less" etc.

Excellent series of posts, Maat!

What I despise the most in language are the absurdities and misuses that have crept into common parlance through repetition and loss of standards:

that/which
lay/lie
beside/besides
neither ... nor/neither ... or never permitted under any circumstance
fewer/less
farther/further
since/because
disinterested/uninterested
noisy/noisome
fulsome/full
bring/take
affect/effect
surreal/unpredicted
irony/coincidence
enormous/enormity
desert/dessert
your/you're
its/it's
to/too/two
they're/there/their

An impressive and helpful list to which I can only add one additional example that particularly irks me.

healthy/healthful

I am healthy but not from eating a healthy diet.

[whatsgoingon]

I was Emory class of 1996.

WTF? I was born at Emory Hospital, learned to ride a bicycle on the Quad at age-5, went to Druid Hills High, and graduated Emory College 83. My father taught there 1960-87 Professor of Classics (Latin and Greek), and is one of their most active Professor Emeriti. My parents live across the street from Emory Law, and are on campus every single day, even at ages 82 and 89.

Where you from? If Atlanta, what street? Where do you live now?

Having read all 30,000 posts on the forum, I have to say this one of yours is easily the most surprising post of all.

I was a Chemistry B.S. I lived on campus but also off campus Druid Oaks or something like that. It was too long ago. We used to go to little 5 points, Flying Biscuit, North GA mountains. In any case, I grew up in the Midwest. I live way out in California now. I never took Classics in college although I know some Latin from high school. I worked in Biochemistry at the Rollins Research Center (near the CDC as you know) with a biochemist.

This was back during my first PsyOp -- actually I never looked into this bombing so I am just suspicious it was fake:

The Centennial Olympic Park Bombing was a terrorist bombing on July 27, 1996 in Atlanta, Georgia, United States during the 1996 Summer Olympics, the first of four committed by Eric Robert Rudolph.[1] Two people died, and 111 were injured.

At the time, I was walking home from Rollins along the train tracks where my car was parked. This was after the Bombing, but I didnt know aout it yet. Well, I presume I was too close to the CDC and my car was surrounded by unmarked cops and lit up police cruisers -- about 6 of them. It was quite frightening. They asked me tons of questions and searched my car and called to ID me to verify my Emory ID even. It was quite alarming.

So here I am. I tell you those police looked scared as hell.

But I was at Emory from 1992-1996 and worked at Rollins post-grad until 1997. Went to U. of Chicago, Harvard, and now Berkeley.

[hoi.polloi]

lol

When do police ever stop looking scared as hell? They are haunted soldiers for the ruling class. The only time a cop doesn't feel fear and hate is when they are asleep.

By the way, I propose we come up with new terms and labels for some words we are bombarded with by the media, which have too many connotations and double meanings. It's time for English to evolve the nuance it needs. For instance, legit journalist is to perp journalist as "victim" is to "vicsim". What are other "real" versus "legit" words we can come up with? And how do they redefine how we see the media?

For instance, if we define "victim" as a legit word, we must accept that people must always process "the news is lying to me about this being a victim". Whereas if we come up with a new word for a fake victim, and the word "victim" itself becomes synonymous with a dubious story, then we don't run the risk of the news "appropriating" terms we "trust". They must choose between the words that people don't have much faith in and words that outright indicate they are lying altogether. It's sort of a language trap to get the media to start admitting they are lying.

I propose some of the following differences we could use, some of which we've already evolved:

DUBIOUS - - - vs. - - - FAKE (is a lie)

victim ............................ vicsim

news story/theory ............... news (I guess it's clear enough all news is pretty fake, so if we think news might be real, we might still politely allow room for doubt by referring to it as a news "story" or news "theory", but this might cause too much confusion with the theory that news is false so perhaps we need better words in this area)

pundit/journalist
news priest .................... spurnalist (spurn, noun. 1. To reject disdainfully or contemptuously; scorn. journalists are always telling us what is "good" and "evil" so why not "news priest" actually?)

Just some playful ideas. I think the successful new words should sound like the language we speak, not something too new-sounding.

[hoi.polloi]

[Re viewtopic.php?p=2372731#p2372731]

I see what y'all are saying, but let's also be thankful that English goes through organic transformation that we can all be a part of. As the language deteriorates in some areas and words become ambiguous and gain double- or triple- meanings, it might improve and become more nuanced in others.

For instance, we know that we are capable of telling the difference between a "victim" and a "vicsim" now. Perhaps, we can also distinguish between media victims versus a real personal victim we knew. Right now, we seem to call story victims just "victims" while we call real personal victims "personal loss" or something like that.

Perhaps we could also come up with terms to determine the difference between "News" and fake news; the difference between "journalists" and paid government journalists.

But please, for the sake of the Oslo thread, let us agree to keep on topic for now and move the discussion of linguistics to the "chatbox".

Agreed; fbenario's & MrSinclair's posts moved here too — Maat