Apache wrote:Regarding pride in racial/cultural identity in non-white groups, it reveals those groups' hypocrisy. I don't particularly want to join in by having pride in white identity as that comes over to me as doing the same as them. They will, eventually, be hoist by their own petard. Pointing it out is good, but let's not fall for the same divisive doctrine of separateness.
I appreciate your point, Apache. But let me strike a blow for common people of most races, and for white European people in particular.
Here too we often criticize harshly our "sheeple" for being gullible and asleep and not wanting to wake up when they could now, with so much evidence amassing in front of their eyes, especially on the Internet. That's one way to see this, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but what I've seen in my experience is that most people refuse to believe that their leaders could be such gigantic liars mainly for one reason, I think.
It's because most people in our western culture (and in other parts of the world, I'm sure, but I'm concentrating on "us" right now) are good, honest, decent people, brought up with the right values (to hell with moral relativism here) of respecting others and giving everybody a fair chance in life. For centuries we've been more or less encouraged to develop our sense of right and wrong and, while having our human weaknesses of course, basically most of us try to do the right thing. And as I’ve demonstrated with the example of slavery, I think we’re the only ones who, in trying to do the right thing, have been capable to go against our own self-interest. We have strong empathy – whether it’s just been taught to us or we have it in our “DNA” doesn’t matter at this point – so when we understand that we’re making other people suffer we can even get to the point of fighting their battles for them.
Please, don’t take this most important quality of empathy for granted, because not every group of people in the world shares it. In fact, it’s been exploited to maximum effect by other groups (mainly the Jews, but not only them) who haven’t been taught to value it. I mean, they must have it too somewhere deep down – because we’re all human beings, although possibly at different stages of spiritual evolution – but let’s say that they’ve not been as much encouraged to cultivate it as we have been.
Our moral structure implies also another, potentially tricky but also essential thing. We’re taught to recognize authority and to follow it. In the last five or six decades we’ve been conditioned to believe that this is a bad thing (especially if we consider ourselves “intellectuals”). Actually this is most often the case in a corrupted society like ours, but not in a healthy one. It is normal and essential in the kind of healthy society we’ve been taught to believe in to have a hierarchy, to recognize authority (originally moral and religious authority) and to follow leaders. After all, a society cannot really function otherwise, can it?
Since our contemporary world has been corrupted to a point where it’s become impossible to give examples of functioning societies in the form of nations or states, I’ll give you a simpler example we can all relate to here: Cluesforum.
I think it is a good example of a functional society, although on a virtual level. Is it a democracy? I wouldn’t say so. The founder is also our undisputed leader. We didn’t even get to elect him, but we don’t care, do we? We’re happy with him running things the way he does, and if at times some aren’t, they can appeal to his judgment or, if rejected, go somewhere else. He is the only irreplaceable member of our society, which couldn’t even exist or at least wouldn’t be the same without him.
Knowing also Simon personally, I know that he is as he appears to be here. I don’t see anything less than honest, straightforward and good-hearted in him. But even if I knew him only for what he’s done and he’s doing with Cluesforum, I would hold him in high esteem. So if someone told me that he is actually a shill or an agent paid by the Mossad, or that all his research has an ulterior motive, I wouldn’t even consider such a claim. Probably I would get angry and defend him tooth and nail! Because he is my leader in the Cluesforum community, of course, and also because I consider myself straightforward too, so I project myself onto him, however unconsciously. I don’t think I could be such a liar, so I don’t think that he could either, being someone that I have chosen as my point of reference in something I care about.
Something similar happens, I think, with people who have chosen someone else as their leader. You could say I have better judgment in choosing Simon than a person who chooses Obama, for example, and I would agree with you, but deep down the process is the same. People choose their leaders and project their own qualities onto him. So if a honest person chooses Obama and projects his honesty onto him, naturally it won’t be easy to convince him that the current president is an enormous liar.
This is essentially why, I think, it’s so difficult to convince people that their leaders are lying to them to the extent we know they do. Because most people try to be honest, sincere and faithful to their leaders. They just happen to choose the wrong ones, also because there are apparently no more right ones at the upper level.
I like to compare our current society to two gardens one above the other: a small upper garden, and a much larger lower one.
There is a very strange gardener taking care of the upper garden. Instead of cultivating the most beautiful and delicate plants and pulling out the weeds, he crushes the good plants and helps the infesting ones, which are already stronger, to grow even faster and dominate the whole garden. They become so big and strong that they reach and dominate also the lower garden, which is left mostly to them, with the gardener intervening only when the bad plants need help in suffocating the strongest good plants that grow down there against all odds.
As you may have guessed, the gardener in my metaphor represents for me JPMs who hate gentile “plants” in general, but especially the good ones with white flowers.
What I’m discovering in my (and our) research is that JPMs, but also most Jews I’m afraid, limit their empathy to members of their own group and seem immune to what we could call “idealism”. They don’t care for what’s right or wrong. They are taught not to care. And maybe they’ve been taught this for so long that it’s become second nature, I don’t know.
Be it as it may, they only seem to care for what's good for them and what’s not. Not only they’re not taught to share our same moral or idealistic values, they are actually taught to exploit our otherwise noble and useful (in a functional society) traits to the interests of their own "superior" group, posing alternatively as progressive or conservative, for example, according to their strategic needs. This is what they have done in the past and are doing now.
And since we have a learned or innate tendency to follow our moral leaders, they just need to corrupt them and other influential figures, as they started to do with monarchs and dignitaries of older societies, first of all through their control of the financial system. Then these bad leaders will spread the bad seeds in the lower garden, with the help of the controlled media.
So in conclusion, Apache, I know that “separateness” sounds bad, but lumping everybody together doesn’t help when you’re trying to identify the possible source of a problem. It’s like in a class of 30 kids who go postal and wreak havoc in the school. At the end of the day, they’re all responsible for misbehaving, but it would be useful to identify possible agitators who are inciting the others, don’t you think?
So I hope you don’t mind my invitation to be a little more lenient with your own group, which certainly has its big faults, but is currently under attack from all sides. I don’t know if I can break an English idiom like this, but maybe the petard we’re going to be hoist by is not entirely our own…
And in fact you said it yourself in the last line of your post:
I do think it's also worth pointing out that the West has not welcomed multi-culturalism with open arms - it has had to be forced on the West via legislation.
By an outside “gardener”, I would add.