Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?

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I've downloaded too. Also went to the Trellis library to see about the Biebs. Everything that is archived (birth announcement, parents information, etc.) is not publically accessible through the portal. WTF? There are a few minor "mentions" in sports related things, ie. assisting on a goal in soccer gives him a mention in the local Stratford paper, but he has nothing noteworthy as far as childhood that I could access. :wacko:

Also clicked that handy dandy button at the bottom.
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Is MUSIC used as a propaganda/mind-control tool?
Well, my verdict on music is the same as it was here on movies and any other form of this thing we call 'entertainment', or should I say any form of communication in general. In itself, there is nothing wrong with watching a movie or listening to music, but I have made it well aware on this site the types of effects these forms of communication has on the public psyche and how each can be used in specific ways for the purpose of propaganda. Using music as a tool for propaganda is in a sense no different than using cinema as a tool for propaganda. The only real obvious difference is music is vocal in nature, excluding the concert environment and music video, which as Kanye West will tell you in the video below is just like going to a Church to get converted to a belief system, it is no different with movies. This little pesky Freemason tells us that Hip Hop, his forte, is a religion. The vocalist acts as the preacher and the song acts as the scripture, and like pretty much all other forms of propaganda, whatever is preached will become apart of your very being through repetition. This is why certain themes are repeated in cinema, it is why they make sure every single generation gets a remake of a previous movie, and I am convinced it all has mostly to do with an ulterior motive and not just the usual excuses we hear from people like "They ran out of ideas" or "Its a popular theme that brings in the money". You subject yourself to their propaganda willingly.

Kanye West - "Hip Hop is a Religion":
full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSVB5afefgY
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I heard this Green Day song on the radio today. I wonder how many people sing along with the words without truly understanding or letting them sink in.

"American Idiot"

Don't wanna be an American idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new media
And can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind fuck America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Well maybe I'm the faggot America.
I'm not a part of a redneck agenda.
Now everybody do the propaganda.
And sing along to the age of paranoia.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.

Don't want to be an American idiot.
One nation controlled by the media.
Information age of hysteria.
It's calling out to idiot America.

Welcome to a new kind of tension.
All across the alien nation.
Where everything isn't meant to be okay.
Television dreams of tomorrow.
We're not the ones who're meant to follow.
For that's enough to argue.



full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee_uujKuJMI
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As someone who "came of age" in the 1960s I can attest that a significant propaganda tune of that era was this pathetic dirge...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZfRyWPZAII

... first recorded by Dion and released in 1968. Subsequently, other artists also released versions of it.

The song's maudlin lyrics weep and wail for JFK, RFK, MLK and even old Abe "Freed the Slaves" Lincoln too, the first 3 being hoax assassinations IMO (possibly Lincoln's too -- I haven't researched that one).

The song was broadcast ad nauseam during 1968 and for years afterward as this wiki blurb about the song's composer attests:
Besides Dion’s, four other versions made the Billboard Top 40, distinguishing it as the only song in history to make the Billboard Top 40 five times with five different artists. Abraham, Martin and John also received the BMI Four Million Airplay award, making the song one of the most prestigious songs of the twentieth century. source
1968 also happened to be the year of the Gun Control Act of 1968, the most significant piece of USA gun control legislation since the 1930s, and it was no secret at that time that the impetus for this was the string of "assassinations" mentioned in the song.
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Lux,

I checked the other day as well on a hunch. None of the artists nor the airplane pilot have been entered into the SSDI for the event referenced by "The Day the Music Died" that I could find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Music_Died
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^ Interesting -- thanks. May be worth a thread.
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That wiki page reads like a pulp fiction TV special...pilot fails instrument ratings, dubiously-insightful accident sequence detail, pistol found lying in the cornfield, even the exhumation.

Wow, who needs Hollywood when reality can be so...detailed?
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In further reference to "The Day the Music Died" here are a bunch of crash site photos:
http://www.angelfire.com/music5/archive ... chive.html

... and the wiki says:
... The Bonanza was at a slight downward angle and banked heavily to the right when it struck the ground at around 170 miles per hour (270 km/h). The plane tumbled and skidded another 570 feet (170 m) across the frozen landscape before the crumpled wreckage came to rest against a wire fence ...
I'm no plane crash expert but the way the plane is resting gently against the wire fence yet it's claimed to have thrown someone 40 feet over the fence seems somewhat questionable to me. Also once again -- no blood visible anywhere despite white snowy ground.
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lux wrote:In further reference to "The Day the Music Died" here are a bunch of crash site photos:
http://www.angelfire.com/music5/archive ... chive.html

... and the wiki says:
... The Bonanza was at a slight downward angle and banked heavily to the right when it struck the ground at around 170 miles per hour (270 km/h). The plane tumbled and skidded another 570 feet (170 m) across the frozen landscape before the crumpled wreckage came to rest against a wire fence ...
I'm no plane crash expert but the way the plane is resting gently against the wire fence yet it's claimed to have thrown someone 40 feet over the fence seems somewhat questionable to me. Also once again -- no blood visible anywhere despite white snowy ground.
YES! Thank you for looking into this. One of these musicians who allegedly died in "The Day the Music Died" was the famous Buddy Holly, who has Michael Jackson beat for posthumous activity; new songs, demos and home recordings were allegedly released for a decade after his death.

And this is just getting eerie with the Laurel Canyon thing making yet another appearance in our musician mysteries but Ritchie Valens, who also apparently died in this flight from Mason City, had a lifelong fear of flying due to a "freak accident" called the "Pacoima aircraft accident" after the neighborhood at the southwest base of the Laurel Canyon mountain area. The story goes that when Valens was young and at his grandfather's funeral, debris from this disaster rained down over the area.

According to wickedpedia:
On January 31, 1957, a Douglas DC-7 operated by Douglas Aircraft Company [significantly not yet labeled by an airline but slated for Continental Airlines!] was involved in a mid-air collision with a United States Air Force Northrop F-89 Scorpion and crashed into the schoolyard of Pacoima Junior High School in Pacoima in the San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles, California.[1][2] By February 1, seven people had died and about 74 had been injured due to the incident.[3] A 12-year-old boy subsequently died from multiple injuries from the incident on February 2.[4]
So Valens developed a fear of airplanes because of this event.

Besides all of them being close to the radio media for obvious reasons (and the other death, "The Bopper" having worked directly for the Army's broadcast division) I haven't really found anything else too weird. Yet I wonder ...

Of course, it's perfectly likely this crash really happened and killed some great guys in their prime. On the other hand, it seems just as likely from our reading of history that they faked their deaths and dropped off the radar on purpose with a little nudge-nudge wink-wink from the CIA radio folks. Perhaps this was even a test by the music industry-intelligence industry collaboration to see if they could keep such a secret well ... and when they found it worked, it paved the way for more musicians to do the same - or really die under mysterious circumstances and few people would look into it as murder.
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Those pictures of the event look pretty damning to me that the event likely didn't happen. It doesn't make sense to me that this huddled heap of wreckage would be able to slide in such a neat pile -- seems like the crash would have had to taken place right in that spot or the wreckage would have been spread over a much wider area. And besides Lux's observation of blood missing from the photo's, I can't spot any skid/scrape marks in the snow anywhere that would indicate that the 'plane' slid anywhere at all.

Here's another uber popular artist that was 'killed off' (by the leader of her own fan club, curiously) that someone asked me about the other day that I felt the need to look up and whose story ended up becoming the typical media fodder/movie made on her life's event. I couldn't find Selena in the SSDI either.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selena



It really does begin to beg the question asked in this article as to whether an artist can be worth more 'dead' than alive:

http://www.investopedia.com/financial-e ... z2DGFgfc00


And I suppose it is a lesson learned with almost any type of artist.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/04/11/ ... -in-value/
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You're right. Upon closer inspection, these photos are doctored and cannot be real. The bodies, in particular, seem to be pasted in. The wreckage also looks funky.
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hoi.polloi wrote:You're right. Upon closer inspection, these photos are doctored and cannot be real. The bodies, in particular, seem to be pasted in. The wreckage also looks funky.
Hoi, I can't really see any evidence in these old, grainy photos that the bodies were 'pasted in'. Instead, what I really would question here are the proposed crash dynamics of this event - i.e. HOW did these two alleged bodies of Ritchie Valens and Buddy Holly get ejected a few feet BEHIND the mangled wreckage? I mean, in a car/or plane crash I'd think you would either:

1: Get ejected far earlier than the vehicle gets mangled to shreds - and end up at some distance from the wreckage.
2: Get ejected as the vehicle slams against an obstacle (the fence, in this case) and end up AHEAD of the vehicle.
3: Get trapped inside the wreckage.

So how could these two bodies possibly be lying a mere few feet BEHIND the mangled wreckage?

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To me, they look pretty pasted in.

You have a blown out ground everywhere, ostensibly snow, but for some reason this (professional?) photographer can't get a decent picture in.

Then you have the convenient halo of "snow" hovering around the tops of the bodies, making convenient cut-outlines framing their rotated bodies-and-chunks-of-ground-and-grass which seem undinted by their apparently collapsing into it. The snow on the bodies doesn't look consistent between pictures, and neither do their heads, but the plants are always happily tucking them in for the Big Sleep.

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This much "radical change" between smudgy images of "The Bopper"? Almost exactly 45 degrees? Look how in the first image, the body is placed just above the barbed wire so as to make it easy to paste in. Then, observe in the second image, following the barbed wire from the left or right of his body, where it should be criss-crossing him it simply disappears before it reaches him. Also, in the whole picture, his body looks slightly sharper here than the blurry midground, which is odd because the foreground is in sharp contrast to it.

This makes me think he was the prime contact - both because of his Army broadcasting connection and because placing him "untouchably" behind barbed-wire fence (which vanishes conveniently around him so it's easier for the mind to excuse his pasted-in "body" into the field, not to mention the ease of photo fudging something like it) makes him harder to investigate and not as hypnotic as the Valens image, which we get full top-of-head death porn for.

90 degrees (note room for white outline around bodies):
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45 degrees:
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Is it standard to shoot things at nearly exact 45 degree angles, which are also conveniently easier for photo manipulation artists to imagine and calculate angle differences?

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Speaking of Valens' head, why does it look different between these two head-on shots? Were they poking him with a stick? Perhaps it was a warm stick, which melted the snow on his body? I know the ladies thought he had pretty hot hair, but to be melting fresh snow after his body began cooling? Or perhaps his hair was particularly cold and collecting snow? Despite the fact it's not snowing? And anyway this change so soon after investigators arrived?

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(Simon, Angelfire is notorious for hating file leeching since the 1990's. I uploaded many of the pics here: http://www.septemberclues.org/images/T ... MusicDied/)
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So, it seems that the same gentleman that owned the airplane, Jerry Dwyer was the last to see them alive. After he saw them off, he went home and was later concerned that he hadn't received a call regarding their arrival... in fact spent all night trying to find out if they were OK to no avail. Still worried in the early morning that he hadn't heard from them, he set off to find them by airplane and was the first to happen upon the wreckage -- evidently stating that it took about 6 minutes. It looks like the pilot's wife worked at the TV station.

http://globegazette.com/news/local/pilo ... 0942d.html


As the story goes, Holley had $193 on him, but the acting coroner ^_^ , Ralph E. Smiley made sure to take his $11.65 cut out for his fees.

I'm not sure how accurate the death certificates are from findadeath.com, but it looks like for Valens that under section 17 titled 'Informant signature' if I am reading it correctly, appears to be signed off from 'The Sheriff's Office and Donald Duck (see Edit.)' Coroner is spelled incorrectly on the death cert (spelled 'coronor'.) Description of the injury is "Thrown from an airplane when it crashed to earth." Date of birth is incorrectly slotted into 'age' section. Information is typed into the age column if under 1 year old.

Edit: From the handwritten certificate, evidently the name is 'Donald Buck'

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Bu ... s%20DC.JPG
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/3130721/Bud ... rtificates
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Bu ... _holly.htm
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Yes, Hoi - you make some good points. I'd like to add a couple more thoughts on the subject of angles.

To begin with, I would think that anyone attending a (deadly) crash scene would know full well that you simply do not start moving/ shuffling around any bits and pieces of wreckage debris - before a proper crash investigation is undertaken. But ok, we may just assume that this rule wasn't observed here for some reason (or that the investigation had been completed in the timelapse between the two below images). In any case, what we can see is that the plane wing has been displaced / rotated quite a bit in between the two pictures:

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But there's another problem with this : if the wing was twisted around as heftily as we can observe, how can the perspectives of the objects that I've circled in purple hardly appear to be affected by this?

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Just a side question I have for anyone who might know: did Holly's, Valens' and Bopper's record sales skyrocket after the news of their passing?
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