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Unread post by brianv » Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:03 pm

Good afternoon gentlemans and ladies, I'm currently in bed with the FLU, just the plain old ordinary FLU :puke:

My missus said to me the other night, at 12:00 Covid hoax ends 12:05 Russia invades Ukraine. Previous post is spot on.

More proof that there is NO SUCH THING as "The Intelligence Services".

British, American, Chinese, French or otherwise. All a load of bollox...unless...they are all in it together

Also proof that there is NO SUCH THING as Satellites.

All images of sa tell lies are gimp or photoshop like this load of "in this illustration" bollox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite ... opped).jpg

I have only had a quick scan of new content, I'm glad you have picked up on the CGI Health Clowns. Unbelievable isn't it? I hate to say it but the vast majority of people are dumb as a rock.

OBAMA

If anybody tried sticking a needle in me they get an axe to the head.
PS Simon, there is no such thing as Space , wasting your time honestly.
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Unread post by brianv » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:04 am

Why would anyone need Bio-Weapons when TWO ( not Four my mistake) crusty old AeroFlop airplanes would dispatch half of Moscow? bolloxski

How many people know how many buildings disappeared in Manhattan? Not two or four and the bldg 7 distraction. Thirteen massive buildings, including two of the wold's tallest buildings. :lol: :lol:

I'm not trying to give anybody any ideas, just pointing out the absurdity of you know what! But don't be surprised if something like this does happen.

The Russians are no Angels in this regard

Although saying that, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the USA was "outsourcing". Every war is financed by Banks :rolleyes: "Some catch that Catch 22"

Imagine my shock if someone suggested that the Covidian Cult financed the Ukraine Invasion by their stupidity.

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Unread post by brianv » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:18 pm

Oh the pain, from laughing. Well known CGI chimp Obama has contracted Dogvid K91 or some shit.

Now here's a challenge for anyone in the US. I want to send him a Get Well Soon Card,, but I cant find his address (or phone number) unless he lives with his three
(ugly I presume) sisters in a shack outside a major US city.

Wind. Distant Church Bells and Tumbleweed, I will wager

BARAK HUSSSEIN OBAMA lets play with that name for a minute ARABS BUSH BAHAMAS kind of :rolleyes: pops out.

The WTC Complex was sold to an Offshore Criminal Cartel in the Bahamas, Bush Snr's home ground, the Arab ponces acted as Brokers. Money Transferred. Boom!!
Hide behind War on Terror for Two Terms then President BUSH was succeeded by President B.HUS. :lol: Works for me!! And if they didn't sell it first, they are MUGS.

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Unread post by Flabbergasted » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:00 am

Hi Brian, good to hear from you. So now we know: your missus is your secret source of wisdom :lol:
brianv wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:04 am
How many people know how many buildings disappeared in Manhattan? Not two or four and the bldg 7 distraction. Thirteen massive buildings, including two of the wold's tallest buildings.
Like the number of casualties, the number of massive buildings absent after 9/11 has been shifting back and forth. What are the 13 buildings on your list?

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Unread post by brianv » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:42 am

She has her moments!!

/edit Actually, lesser females would have packed their bags when I started the unhelpfully named vicsim :puke: research..To tell you the truth - she was shitting herself, to put it bluntly. She thought they would try to kill bill me.

I'm surprised that a researcher of your calibre would need to ask that question. Start at Ickypedia maybe..

Feeling much better .Two days in bed, strong beef tea and a couple of paracetamols. Sorted.

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Unread post by Flabbergasted » Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:18 pm

I bought some pelleted food for my pet yesterday. Cat/dog chow usually contains genetically modified ingredients. To my surprise, the package features a list of the "donor species" whose DNA was incorporated into the product, although you need a good magnifying glass to read the tiny black print on the deep pink background.

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- Agrobacterium tumefaciens
- Bacillus thuringiensis
- Streptomyces viridochromogenes
- Thermoccocales
sp.
- Bacillus substilis
- Diabrotica firgifera
- Zea mays
- Sphingobium herbicidorovans
- Dicossoma
sp.

That´s a blend to make the inventor of the Pokémon family blush. God knows for how long the industry has been using this garbage in human food processing without telling us, and how this fits into the Nutwork's behavior engineering efforts.

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Unread post by simonshack » Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:45 pm

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Nice to hear from you brianv! You know, I sometimes even wonder if there's such a thing as a "brianv"! :lol:
brianv wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:03 pm
PS Simon, there is no such thing as Space , wasting your time honestly.
So let's say that what I'm looking at - i.e. the stars, moons and planets - is just some videogame that people have been watching for millennia. In that case, I still think that the time I've spent on it is quite worthwhile. After all, WHO doesn't wish to know exactly how videogames work? :P
brianv wrote:
Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:03 pm
I hate to say it but the vast majority of people are dumb as a rock.
Yes, dear brianv - I fully agree. However, and although I hate to say it, your statement that "there is no such thing as Space" sounds like rock speech to me.

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Unread post by Flabbergasted » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:13 pm

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... in-215007/ (9 April 2017)

A rather interesting piece on Trump, Putin and the Chabad-Lubavitch movement. The latter was headed until 1994 by the "omnipotent, omniscient and unlimited" Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, mentioned in an earlier post.

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Unread post by sharpstuff » Fri Mar 25, 2022 9:16 am

Dear Clues readers,

I am posting this (rather long) missive in ‘Chatbox’ as I am not sure of a suitable thread. Although topical, it does relate to all kinds of deceit.

I would like to begin with a quote from Simon’s monumental TYCHOS (2) volume, with which he ends the work. It encapsulates everything (at least) what I have been saying all these years, one way or another.

Simon wrote:
'On a philosophical note, it is rather amusing to see how intellectual human minds often seem to contemplate some sort of self-destructive tendencies of Mother Nature - and of the Universe as a whole. This paranoid attitude is not, in my humble opinion, conducive to a sane and serene advancement of human knowledge. With the TYCHOS model in mind, we may now stop conjecturing about assorted "chaos theories" of our cosmos - and start enjoying its graceful harmony and stability.’
The piece below, I have copied from the Truth-seeker site, one of the only ‘news’ sites I ever read. A reader can, of course ‘cut-and-paste’ it for later reading.

During reading the whole piece, I came across the ‘Operation Mincemeat’ deception. If you are not aware of it, I discovered a documentary (aired by the BBC of all places) from 2015 and have placed a link to it below (Internet archive material). I believe there is also a film of 2022 of the same name.

This would tie in well with the ‘Newsbenders’ play?

https://archive.org/details/OperationMincemeat2015

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Ian Fantom – March 22, 2022

Intro

Dr Fauci, where are you?
Saved by the war
The Russians are divided
The Puppet-Master of Kiev
Censorship by incredulity
Speaking out against NATO expansion
What the Kremlin says
Democracies and dictatorships
Mulling over the evidence in Ukraine
Evidence of deception emerges
An Englishman’s word is his sword – if he’s in Government

“What Boris now needs is a war”, I wrote on January 31. Well it wasn’t just Boris. Others needed a war more than Boris did. The whole narrative on Covid and the Plandemic was unwrapping. Millions of people had been out on the streets demonstrating. There was talk of legal action. The hand-picked government advisors were in danger. They could have ended up in prison, and Boris could even have landed up in the House of Lords. In fact, some of us were rapidly coming to the idea that Boris had outgrown his usefulness to the Deep State, which was now trying to get rid of him, just as had happened to Margaret Thatcher after she had said “No, no, no!” to a federal Europe in the House of Commons. And just as had happened to Harold Wilson after he had kept out of the Vietnam War and done one or two other things to upset James Jesus Angleton, the CIA’s man in MI5. Boris had, after all, worked towards the ending of the Covid restrictions despite the pressures from his advisors, who, as was becoming all too evident, were increasingly in a minority in the scientific world. In any case, their role should have been to point the government to published scientific papers and general opinion amongst scientists specialising the relevant fields. Science that is kept confidential is not science; science is always open to public scrutiny. So the war in Ukraine, it seems, was very timely.

Indeed, as I was writing the above words I received a notification from Dr Robert Malone of a video just posted titled ‘The Curtain Close on COVID Theatre’ (video content begins 11 mins in). It’s also on YouTube but Dr Malone comments, “Let’s see how long this lasts”. He didn’t mean the length of the video, but the length of time that YouTube can tolerate such blatant unapproved discussion. This is a roundtable discussion with eleven physicians, mainly in the US, on ending the COVID theater once and for all. The panel is hosted by Governor DeSantis of Texas. “Please watch the Florida Surgeon General’s announcement about recommending against COVID-19 vaccines for children”, Dr Malone wrote in his email.
1. Dr Fauci, where are you?

And what has happened to the famous, or infamous, Dr Fauci? We haven’t heard much of him lately. A Commentary appeared in The Western Journal headed ‘Fauci’s Next Moves Revealed After Seemingly Disappearing as Left’s COVID Narrative Disintegrates’. “Deservedly or not, Fauci has been the face of the Democrat response to the coronavirus, scolding Americans to give away their freedoms for ‘safety’ from the ‘pandemic,’ demanding that we all must be masked — with two masks, even — advocating for our jobs to be shut down and citizens to be locked in their homes and screeching for our schools to be closed. But since early in February, Fauci has gone from appearing on multiple news outlets per day to being nearly invisible to the news-viewing public”, states the Commentary.

“Democrats are suddenly warning each other in private to drop further COVID restrictions, to open schools and to end mask mandates. In light of that bubbling undercurrent in Democrat electoral plotting, Anthony Fauci has suddenly been removed from the powerhouse news outlets and has been relegated to lesser-known blogs, publications and the odd Youtube channel”, the Commentary continues.
2. Saved by the war

Very conveniently, a war has emerged, which is all Putin’s fault. Nothing to do with the mega-corporations that have become more powerful than governments, of course. We’re still seeing the occasional person wearing a mask in England, and there’s still some inconvenience of restrictions by private individuals in various groups. I’ve seen some people wearing masks, but sometimes removing them in order to breath. My local German circle is without restriction, and so is my local historical society. I’ve stopped going to the local piano club whilst they expect people to retain social distancing and take a lateral flow test beforehand, though they have now stopped wearing masks. I’ve just heard of a friend of a friend who was refused entry into a church belfry for bell-ringing. Medical institutions, though, still follow protocols, without enquiring who sets those protocols and whether they are well-founded. Medical workers don’t have time to depart from what they are trained to do. Teachers are supposed to be bringing children up to think critically, but they simply don’t have time to do that themselves concerning the wider issues, under the burden of pressures from the government. In most institutions people at the bottom simply do their jobs and don’t take too many risks, whilst those at the top embrace a lot of hidden corruption.

Whether Putin is a goodie or a baddie shouldn’t be the main point. There may be rules of morality, but there are also rules of power politics. There’s no point in being in the right if you’re dead. At least if one has all the relevant information, Putin is fairly predictable. Unlike the Western political classes, he will take an argument through, and present it in public. His reasoning is usually very clear. The same applies also to his ministers and diplomats. Our lot usually hide behind a disarming smile, and linguistic manipulations, by which they talk around issues without actually explaining them. The same applies to the mainstream media. Perhaps ‘Establishment Media’ might be a better term, since some of the unapproved media are now becoming serious candidates for consideration as being mainstream. A term that seems to be catching on at the moment is ‘Legacy Media’, though some are saying ‘Controlled Media’.

My argument is that the present situation in Ukraine would have been entirely foreseeable by those controlling the governments of the Western Powers. Following Russia’s recognition of the two Donbass republics I was expecting something like a repeat of the intervention in Crimea. A similar situation pertained in the Donbass, though not identical, since the Donbass itself had a mixed population of Ukrainian speakers and Russian speakers, though Russian was the dominant language. However, looking at the map I quickly realised that the border with the rest of Ukraine had been pushed back considerably in the direction of the Donbass. Had the Russians recognised the two republics as the legitimate governments of the areas they held in practice, or would they be supporting them in reclaiming lost territories? If it was to be the latter, then that would put them into a conflict with the Kiev side in the Ukraine civil war. You can’t take over part of a country without being at war with the whole country. From that the logic takes us into disabling air and missile facilities in Ukraine. Whether or not they have gone beyond that, as regularly claimed by the legacy media, I don’t think we can know at this stage.

One person who did envisage trouble is journalist Peter Hitchens. He is one of the very few journalists in the legacy media who will publish his own analysis of events rather than following the flock. On the Covid issue he became a very outspoken critic of government policy; he has now turned his hand to the Ukraine war. ‘One glorious day in Sevastopol 12 years ago, I saw what was coming. That’s why I won’t join this carnival of hypocrisy’, ran the title of his Mail on Sunday column, as published the previous evening on their Mail Online website. “In the long-ago summer of 2010, I found myself in the beautiful harbour of Sevastopol, surveying the rival fleets of Russia and Ukraine as they rode at anchor in the lovely Crimean sunshine”, he began. He described the banners and the intermingling of Russian (and Russian-looking) sailors with Ukrainian (and US-looking) sailors on the streets of Sevastapol. “It was almost funny to see. I hoped at that time that it would work out well. For the Ukrainians had begun to be silly”, he wrote.

He then wrote about the ethnic problems he was observing, which was to spell disaster. I know that many of my international readers are particularly interested in such issues, so I shall reproduce this part in full:

In a country crammed with Russians, they were trying to make Russian a second-class language.

Russians who had lived there happily for decades were pressured to take Ukrainian citizenship and adopt Ukrainian versions of their Christian names.

The schools were promoting a national hero, Stepan Bandera, who Russians strongly disliked and regarded as a terrorist. And they were teaching history which often had an anti-Russian tinge. Quite a few people told me they felt put upon by these policies. Why couldn’t they just be left alone?

Until that point, Ukraine had been a reasonably harmonious country in its 20-odd years of existence. After that visit I saw big trouble coming, both in the Crimea and in the Don Basin, where I also travelled that year.

Far out among the abandoned slagheaps of the dying coalfields, I found the decaying semi-deserted town of Gorlovka, now in the midst of an unofficial war-zone, where it has been since 2014.

This town had been officially renamed Horlivka by Ukraine in its high-handed way, though hardly anybody I met there called it that. Gorlovka in those days still hosted the rather pleasant Cafe Barnsley, the last echo of the Soviet days when Gorlovka had been twinned with Barnsley in a gesture of Communist solidarity with Arthur Scargill’s miners.

I remember, that boiling hot, almost silent afternoon, enjoying a Russian beer there, while listening to music from a Russian station on the radio. I wrote rather vaguely at the time that the people of Crimea and Donbas were hoping for – and expecting – a Russian future.

I thought that if Ukraine wanted to be a rigid ethnic nationalist state, then some sort of peaceful deal with its Russian minority was going to be needed.

I translated that passage into Esperanto, and distributed it in several email groups, because such ethnic conflicts were at the very heart of the Esperanto movement when it was launched in 1887 by peace activist Dr L L Zamenhof. He saw Esperanto as a means to an end. That was the only reason he created it, and it was the reason for its relatively large success in the early years – apart from the fact that Esperanto was the only constructed language that actually worked. People were just fed up with the constant wars, based on ethnic conflicts. In my early years with Esperanto I was puzzled at the way journalists would portray Zamenhof as a dreamy idealist who thought that a common language would bring about a Utopia. It wasn’t like that at all, but I didn’t think at the time that anyone was purposely misrepresenting the thing. Language is the primary sign of ethnic identity, even more than religion. It’s not just a matter of having a common language, but it’s a matter of one ethnicity not imposing itself on another. A neutral international language, which would be relatively straight-forward to learn, and in which great fluency could be achieved by regular speakers, would be fundamental to making a start in building up an atmosphere of mutual co-existance. Yet the Esperanto movement since the end of the Cold War seems to have become disinterested in such values. It has become a mere linguistic diaspora, in which anyone successfully pursuing such aims becomes marginalised by an influential clique. That’s been my personal experience, and it is supported by extensive documentation in my reports, and further historical evidence reported in my subsequent writings.

An Australian Esperantist, who himself feels as marginalised in the Bahai movement as I do in the Esperanto movement, forwarded my translation to a former President of the Universal Esperanto Association, who is now involved in the membership email group uea-membroj.io . The Australian was putting forward a view that Peter Hitchens’ article wasn’t showing a sense of proportion. But how can you show a sense of proportion when you hear only one side of the argument? It could be like the Mafia denouncing an ambulance driver for going through red lights. And the more I look at this issue, the more I think it probably is.
3. The Russians are divided

The former President wrote back: “Dear Paul, I praise your good intentions, but the uea-membroj list is for talking about activities for Esperanto by UEA or its members. Everything else is something else”. They are clearly limiting discussion to just the language itself, and excluding the problem that the language was designed to attempt to solve. This is a sign of controlled opposition. Yet the Press Communiqués that are constantly being distributed to the association’s members are generally in support of Agenda 2030 policies of the United Nations, most of which have nothing to do with the language.

As if to demonstrate this, the Universal Esperanto Association distributed a Press Communiqué on 5 March beginning: “Last week the world, in shock, witnessed the arising of a war because of the invasion into Ukraine initiated by the Russian government”. This was clearly putting the blame on Russia, ignoring the political neutrality which the association is supposed to be following. Russian Esperantists themselves are divided on this issue. On 27 February a group of former office-holders in the Russian Esperanto Union (REU), and one current member of their board, circulated an open letter headed ‘Rusiaj esperantistoj kontraŭ la milito’ [Russian Esperantists against the war], declaring: “The agression by the Russian government is not permissible and not all Esperantists from Russia support it”. The following day a watered down version appeared, just saying they were against the war. The President of REU, Aleksandr Lebedev, distanced the association from that declaration, saying: “Opinions on the events in Ukraine are extremely divided in the society. Official support for one of the positions would mean a strongly neglecting the large part of our membership which hold the opposite opinion. For example, I personally as a private person fully and unconditionally support the special operation by the Russian army, which is now taking place in Ukraine. If the board were to officially declare anything against it – I would resign and would begin a fight to cancel such a declaration by our ruling body”.

I have personally experienced the sharp divisions amongst Russian Esperantists in some international email groups I am a member of, where at first they generally resorted to insulting each other. Later, in one group (politiko.io) a French guy took over that role, as if he had been sent in by some French equivalent of 77 Brigade (ie: MI7) just to disrupt, simply by calling anyone who disagreed with him idiots. I’ve been trying to bring some rationality to the discussions, but that is difficult in the presence of obvious agents provocateurs. It’s the same in every war; people think their side of the argument is obvious, and that everyone else is wrong.
4. The Puppet-Master of Kiev

But what strikes me the hardest in this is the absence of any consideration in the UEA’s publications of the developing ethnic divisions in Ukraine, as described so clearly by Peter Hitchens. Yet they plunge into condemnation before considering the central issue that gave rise to the association and to the movement in the first place. Perhaps free discussion of this over the past eight years could have helped clear the air a little. It seems that now even we in the UK are being linguistically purged, as the normal English-language terms for towns in Ukraine, taken from the Russian, are replaced by the Ukrainian equivalents. Sainsbury’s are no longer selling Chicken Kiev, but Chicken Kyiv. I won’t be buying it.

Perhaps no-one should be surprised about this when they know that the Honorary President of UEA is a family friend of, and apologist for, the guy who many believe was a financier behind the Maidan revolution in Ukraine in 2014. It is no secret that George Soros was encouraging Ukraine to join the EU. “Ukraine needs financial aid on the scale of the Marshall Plan that set Europe on the road to recovery and prosperity after World War II, investor and philanthropist George Soros said Wednesday”, the Money section of CNN reported shortly after the Maidan revolution of February 2014. “The crisis in Ukraine exploded last year when former President Viktor Yanukovych abandoned plans to sign an association agreement with the European Union, and instead took Russian President Vladimir Putin’s offer of help”, the article continued. “ ‘Europe, true to form, demanded a lot and offered little,’ Soros said in London. ‘It was not difficult for Putin to come up with a better offer.’ Mass protests forced Yanukovych from office last month, and a new pro-EU interim government took over. But the country now faces an economic crisis and huge military pressure from Russia, which has mobilized troops and threatens to annex the southern province of Crimea. ‘It’s very important to respond, and to respond in the right way, not necessarily to impose sanctions on Russia but to help Ukraine financially,’ Soros said. ‘Something like a European Marshall Plan for Ukraine’ “.

The following year New Eastern Outlook published an article by analyst William Engdahl headed ‘An American Oligarch‘s Dirty Tale of Corruption’. It began:

Rarely does the world get a true look inside the corrupt world of Western oligarchs and the brazen manipulations they use to enhance their fortunes at the expense of the public good. The following comes from correspondence of the Hungarian-born billionaire, now naturalized American speculator, George Soros. The hacker group CyberBerkut has published online letters allegedly written by Soros that reveal him not only as puppet master of the US-backed Ukraine regime. They also reveal his machinations with the US Government and the officials of the European Union in a scheme where, if he succeeds, he could win billions in the plunder of Ukraine assets. All, of course, would be at the expense of Ukrainian citizens and of EU taxpayers.

Under a subheading ‘The Puppet-Master?’, the article stated:

The totality of what is revealed in the three hacked documents show that Soros is effectively the puppet-master pulling most of the strings in Kiev. Soros Foundation’s Ukraine branch, International Renaissance Foundation (IRF) has been involved in Ukraine since 1989. His IRF doled out more than $100 million to Ukrainian NGOs two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, creating the preconditions for Ukraine’s independence from Russia in 1991. Soros also admitted to financing the 2013-2014 Maidan Square protests that brought the current government into power.

I tried following the links to get access to the leaked emails, but my browser just hung and timed out. I also tried following the links to a reproduction of that article in Mint Press, but that resulted in a web page saying “Buy this domain”. I don’t know what had happened to http://cyber-berkut.org , but a web search for the source documents led me to dcleaks.org, which also had been taken down. The fartherst I could get along that line was an entry in archive.com about George Soros which I suppose confirmed that something had been there.

I found on the US government’s website an indictment document against some Russians, who were accused of being behind DCleaks. It stated: “On or about June 8, 2016, the Conspirators launched the public website dcleaks.com, which they used to release stolen emails. Before it shut down in or around March 2017, the site received over one million page views”. I don’t really care who was behind it; I just want to see those leaked emails. Someone must have downloaded them. Certainly Russian intelligence would have done so.

Quite a lot of other articles about George Soros’s intervention can be found by searching for ‘Soros Maidan’ on The Truthseeker, or searching on the web, though you may find you get more on this with the Russians’ search engine Yandex.ru . One website that gives particularly good coverage of George Soros’s involvement in a whole range of revolutions is Voltairenet. George Soros’s friend, Humphrey Tonkin, was the spiritual leader of a coup in the Universal Esperanto Association in 1974, when their president, Professor Ivo Lapenna, resigned following a denigration campaign. The allegation that they kept repeating, but couldn’t back up with any evidence when challenged, was that he was ‘dictatorial’. Doesn’t that sound just like what they have been doing to Vladimir Putin recently?

The two may have first met during the 1950s, when George Soros was a student at The London School of Economics under Professor Karl Popper, who introduced him to the term ‘Open Society’. That’s when George Soros was a member of The London Esperanto Club, though Tonkin may have been just a little too young at the time. Possibly they met in international Esperanto youth meetings. Around that time some leading members of the Universal Esperanto Association were being targeted by a McCarthyite campaign from the US, most notably their General Secretary, Professor Ivo Lapenna, who, too, was a professor at The London School of Economics. Having graduated, Tonkin then emigrated to the US, as Soros had done.
5. Censorship by incredulity

I have for long felt that the Kremlin must be afraid of a Maidan-style insurrection in Moscow. Now that I am aware of the evidence that they must have had of what was behind Maidan, I think that that presumption must have been an overriding factor in Russian international affairs. In January 2017 investigative journalists Wayne Madson, in an article ‘Soros on the ropes’, described how leaders across Europe were becoming concerned at George Soros’s behind-the-scenes influence. He wrote: “Russia was the first to call out Soros for his interference in Russian politics. The Soros plan to destabilize Russia, dubbed the «Russia Project» by Soros’s Open Society Institute and Foundation, foresaw the outbreak of Ukrainian-style «Maidan Square» uprisings in cities across Russia.”. Indeed. Perhaps that gives some understanding of the Russian intervention in Ukraine in wanting to denazify the country and knock out its military bases.

I recently heard for the first time on the BBC an attempt to put the point of view of a Russian-speaking Ukrainian who had voted for independence in Donbass. She was being ‘interviewed’ on the BBC Radio 4 ‘Today’ programme just before 8 am on 9 March. It wasn’t really an interview, but a heckling session. She was insisting that the Russians were not bombing civilian targets in Ukraine, and Nick Robinson was demanding the evidence. But where was the evidence that they were? He falsely accused her of implying that the Ukrainians were bombing their own people. What were the Ukrainians fleeing from, he asked. But that in itself is not evidence. Perhaps they were fleeing from what they had been told to expect, rather than from anything real. His technique was familiar to me: showing greater and greater incredulity and taking over the conversation. He was making no allowance for the fact that the ‘interviewee’ was speaking and thinking in a foreign language; in fact he was taking advantage of it. That is the level the BBC has descended to. In this case that technique will probably have worked in brainwashing most of his listeners, because he is a professional in that, and this was being broadcast by the very ‘respectable’ BBC. But when the same thing is done by an amateur the effect can be very different. Both Humphrey Tonkin and his friend John Wells, who led the denigration campaign against me in 2006, are emeritus university professors, and I don’t doubt their linguistic professionalism, especially the polished rhetoric of Tonkin, by which he can move thousands, but when a university professor shows such professorial ineptness to me, by feigning increasing incredulity and suggesting that I am paranoid, instead of entering anything like an intellectual discourse, just as John Wells had done, then from my point of view they come across as educated idiots.
6. Speaking out against NATO expansion

A short accademic account of the situation in Ukraine which led up to the conflict was given by Helga Zepp-LaRouche, organiser of The Schiller Institute, on 28 February, 2022. I became aware of the Schiller Institute whilst writing my article on the bicentenary of Beethoven’s death, reporting that The Schiller Institute exists to apply Schiller’s ideas to ‘the contemporary world crisis’. Helga Zepp-LaRouche gives the background to the end of the Cold War, and the US promises made that NATO would not take advantage of the situation by expanding one inch Eastwards. “So this was one area where Ukraine, from the very beginning, was big in the calculation”, she explained, “There were altogether five waves of NATO expansion, and in 2008, at the summit in Bucharest, it was promised that Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO, which, from the standpoint of Russia is really not acceptable. Because if you have rather than having NATO not moving ‘one inch to the East’, it moved 1000 km to the East! It’s sitting now in the Baltic countries, at the border of Russia, but Ukraine would mean that offensive weapons systems could reach Moscow in less 5 minutes, and make Russia, de facto, indefensible”. She pointed out that it’s in all of NATO’s official documents, that you cannot have the security of one country at the expense of the security of another one, which would be Russia, in this case.

When the EU tried to include Ukraine in the EU Association Agreement at the end of 2013, Yanukovych, the President at that time, recognised that that was unacceptable, and pulled out of the agreement. She continued:

But from the very beginning, there were elements which were kept by intelligence services since the Second World War: the networks of Stepan Bandera; that was the person who had cooperated with the Nazis in the Second World War, and Stepan Bandera became actually an agent of the MI6; his networks had offices in Munich, they were part of the anti-Bolshevist bloc of nations. They were kept by the intelligence services: the MI6, the CIA, the BND, for the case of a confrontation with the Soviet Union. And these networks were mobilized in the Maidan as part of a regime change operation, a color revolution, and then finally the coup, for which the United States, according to Victoria Nuland, had spent $5 billion to build up NGOs and basically trying to manipulate the population to think that if they joined the EU, they would be rich like Germany overnight, which naturally was never in the cards.

These networks took over, with the Maidan revolution, and they were extremely repressive towards the Russian-speaking population, and that was why the people of Crimea voted to be part of Russia. The people in the Donbass area voted to form independent republics for the same reason. The Minsk agreement was supposed to find a negotiation to give these independent republics more autonomy within Ukraine, but the Ukraine government never pursued that. “In the meantime, you had more and more maneuvers around Russia, and this escalated to the point where, in November, there were maneuvers even flying planes testing and rehearsing a nuclear attack on Russia up to 14 miles within the border of Russia”, she said. No security guarantees from NATO were forthcoming, and from there the situation escalated. Given the history of Russia, and the masses of people who died during previous wars, the rest seems inevitable. She calls for an “International Conference to Establish A New Security and Development Architecture for All Nations”.

A much more detailed account of this was given in 2015 by John J. Mearsheimer, Professor in Political Science at the University of Chicago, so the year after the Maidan revolution. He assessed the causes of the Ukraine crisis, the best way to end it, and its consequences for all of the main actors. “A key assumption is that in order to come up with the optimum plan for ending the crisis, it is essential to know what caused the crisis”, states the explanitory text under the video. What a revolutionary idea! I tried that bit of logic in 2006 in the Esperanto movement, and it didn’t work. “Don’t give me problems, give me solutions”, responded a former President of the association, who at the time I thought was well-meaning but naive. Whatever had happened to those who went into the movement in order to encourage international understanding? Perhaps one day logic will come back into fashion, but in the meantime it cannot work, whilst the primary concern is to jump on bandwagons and appear woke. A thread running throughout his lecture is that he is looking at the realities of how power politics actually work, rather than how they should work. I’m sure that had the Russians destabilised the Mexican government and installed their own regime there, sending arms to them and hyping up the threat from the US, then the US would have sent in their armed forces in double-quick time. We know what happened in the Cuban missile crisis. The US were doing the same thing in Turkey, and it is just possible that the purpose behind the installation of nuclear weapons in Cuba was to create a bargaining point for negotiating away America’s nuclear missiles in Turkey. If so, then the USSR won, but we don’t talk about that. The title of the lecture is ‘UnCommon Core: The Causes and Consequences of the Ukraine Crisis’, but the heading given to the YouTube video is ‘Why is Ukraine the West’s Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer’.

An influential voice within the Vatican has also spoken out over Ukraine, with a similar message. Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò is a former Apostolic Nuncio to The United States of America, and a leading figure in the Vatican. He has spoken out over the Pandemic issue, as well as over the church’s handling of child abuse cases and money laundering. He has now issued a ‘Declaration on the Russia-Ukraine Crisis’. This is a wide-ranging report, which begins by talking about “gross falsifications of the mainstream media”, and saying that respect for each other’s rights has been completely ignored. “Even if we only want to limit our investigation to the economic aspect, we understand that news agencies, politics and public institutions themselves depend on a small number of financial groups belonging to an oligarchy that, significantly, is united not only by money and power, but by the ideological affiliation that guides its action and interference in the politics of nations and the whole world. This oligarchy shows its tentacles in the UN, NATO, the World Economic Forum, the European Union, and in ‘philanthropic’ institutions such as George Soros’ Open Society and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation”. He deals with the vilification of Vladimir Putin, the expansionism of NATO, interests arising from the blockade of Russian gas supplies and the Pentagon’s virological laboratories in Ukraine. I had held off this topic since hearing about it, pending checking out of the sources. Indeed, the Archbishop states that information about the activity of laboratories in Ukraine is obviously difficult to confirm. Perhaps this is understandable when one considers that “The U.S. Embassy has removed all files related to the Biological Threat Reduction Program from its website”. What I didn’t know about Ukraine’s President Zelensky is that he was a drag artist who was a member of the World Economic Forum before being elected. There he was “able to benefit from the support of Schwab and his allies to come to power and ensure that the Great Reset would also be carried out in Ukraine”. Links between Ukraine and the Pandemic do indeed seem to be emerging.
7. What the Kremlin says

I suppose I could have just linked to the Kremlin’s press conference, held just before the military intervention in Ukraine began, but video footage of that now seems elusive. Or I could have linked to one of the Russian government’s website. But if I had done so I would be subjected to denigration as a Russian stooge. I first heard of the press conference on Channel 4 News, as presented by a sneering Matt Frei. He described Putin’s speech as “rambling”, and stated that Lavrov “croaked” his speech. I did, however, find a detailed account of Ukraine by Vladimir Putin, ‘On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians’ posted on the Kremlin’s website on 12 July 2021, which is generally in line with the Western accounts given above.

Perhaps the most telling part of Putin’s essay is: “The throne of Kiev held a dominant position in Ancient Rus. This had been the custom since the late 9th century. The Tale of Bygone Years captured for posterity the words of Oleg the Prophet about Kiev, ‘Let it be the mother of all Russian cities’ ”. I don’t know about Oleg the Prophet, but I had read about the chronicler Nestor, who recorded how some Scandinavians (which I presume to have been Vikings) had settled in Kiev and formed the Rus nation under St Vladimir. Indeed, I had read a poem in ten parts by Czech satirist Karel Havelíček (pen name Borovský) in Esperanto translation, based on this story. I read the original 1953 edition, though the currently available edition is a bilingual version published in 1996. The story is that Vladimir was searching for a religion to unite the Rus people, and one by one he consulted the Christians of the West, the Muslims of the South, and the nearby Khazar Jews. Eventually he entered a cancel culture spree across the Rus nation, and imposed Christianity. The poem is a satire on nineteenth century tyranny in the name of religion, and he has a go at each religion in turn, with a whole section on the Jesuits. I learned about Nestor in an appendix. He is said to have written the chronicle around the year 1100, and the events described occurred in the 990s. The Tale of Bygone Years is said to have been Nestor’s chronical, and is analysed in Wikipedia. Putin’s essay points out that the Ukrainian and Russian languages diverged at a time when Ukraine was a part of the Lithuanian-Polish empire. I regard Putin’s historical account as a serious academic analysis, and not at all the work of a madman.
8. Democracies and dictatorships

Seen from the Kremlin’s point of view, the idea that the world is divided into ‘democracies’ and ‘dictatorships’ must seem ludicrous. Yet that is the picture constantly presented to us by British politicians and the British media. We have been brainwashed over the decades to actually believing that, and to believing that British democracy is the best in the world. We fail to understand that in any empire the first people who have to be subjugated are the inhabitants of the mother country. The British Empire never was an empire of the British, just as the Bank of England is neither a bank nor of England, and the Church of England does not represent the English people. “The British Empire just grew from trade”, my father would tell me. But the people controlling that trade were also controlling the government and the British institutions, and the people. The interests of Big Business were of primary importance, and the people had to be brainwashed into thinking it was all for the greater good. It sounds as if things were no different in St Vladimir’s days.

Let’s take the British model of democracy. In a democracy anyone has the right to stand for Parliament and democratically tell lies to an electorate that has a democratic right to believe them and vote in democratic ignorance, to form a parliament which democratically elects a dictator for the next five years, who democratically hand-picks a cabinet and its special advisors, and assumes the powers of the Royal Prerogative, which most people assume belongs only the the Monarch. Thus the offices of Prime Minister and Head of State are combined into one, and so the dictator has absolute power to take military action abroad, possibly even democratically ignoring the will of Parliament and of the people. This is enabled by a constitution which is spread out over an unspecified number of historical documents, and so has the advantage of being flexible for those who know how to democratically manipulate it, thus producing a Cabinet which is not a charity for the people, but a democratically accountable business, steered democratically by mega-corporations.
9. Mulling over the evidence in Ukraine

One web broadcast that I found particularly insightful was an interview of my colleague Nick Kollerstrom on the Ukraine madness by Jim Fetzer, emeritus professor of the philosophy of science. Nick gave his insights, and this developed into a discussion between the two of them, bringing in two other guests, who also had their own radio shows. The general thrust was that they more-or-less understood events up to the Russian military intervention, but after that they probably knew even less than they thought they did. One of them, David Scorpio, said he had been searching for video evidence that there really was a 40 mile column of Russian military vehicles moving towards Kiev. With CCTV cameras everywhere, you’d expect to see something, he said. But also, Ukrainians have smartphones, just as we do, and so there would have to be something. I carried out a search myself, and came to the same conclusion. All I could find was the same photo in various UK newspapers of a convoy of lorries in the distance, not tanks, at a place I didn’t recognise. That could have been anywhere, at any time, consisting of any country’s vehicles, for any purpose, possibly even bringing in food supplies. I began to think of previous deceptions. I looked for fake armies in a book ‘Churchill’s Wizards: The British Genius for Deception 1914 – 1945’ by Nicholas Rankin. There I was reminded of Operation Mincemeat, which I had first learned about in a film ‘The Man Who Never Was’.This operation led the Germans to prepare for an attack in Greece rather than Sicily, where it was really planned. The book states: “Arthur Ponsonby, the author of Falsehood in War-time, recognised that the lie was an extremely useful weapon in warfare, deliberately employed by every country ‘to deceive its own people, to attract neutrals, and to mislead the enemy. He wrote this book because he thought ‘the authoriative organization of lying’ was not sufficiently recognised: ‘the deception of whole peoples is not a matter which can be lightly regarded.’ Ponsonby knew that famous writers were better able ‘to clothe the rough tissues of falsehood with literary phrases of merit’ than statesmen”.

The most influential opinion formers nowadays are television personalities, especially news presenters. With that proviso, that description of the effectiveness of wartime deception would exactly fit the bill in today’s environment, not just with regard to the Ukraine situation, but also with regard to a whole lot of current issues, such as climate change being caused by anthrogenic carbon dioxide, or the Coronavirus political science, or the 9/11 wars launched on false pretexts, or the now obvious deceptions over 9/11 itself. The first chapter of ‘Churchill’s Wizards’ mentions Ponsonby in connection with the First Word Word. It states:

Sir Edward Grey, the Foreign Secretary, put the case in Parliament and only five MPs voted against war in defence of Belgium. Among them was the dissenting aristocrat and peace campaigner Arthur Ponsonby. The opening chapter of his 1928 bestseller, Falsehood in War-Time, concerns what was not talked about in the parliamentary debate: the secret military arrangements that Britain had made with France in 1911 for seven divisions of the BEF [British Expeditionary Force (‘The Old Contemptibles’)] to support the French left and for the Royal Navy to protect the north coast in the event of a German attack. ‘This commitment was not known to the German people, it was not known to Parliament; it was not even known to all the members of the Cabinet.’ Ponsonby argued that Sir Edward Grey’s statement was disingenuous. If these contingency plans had been made public, Imperial Germany might have hesitated instead of precipitately declaring war. For Ponsonby, it was ‘a deplorable subterfuge’ for Grey to insist that Parliament was free to decide.

The lesson from history has to be that without such subterfuge wars would never arise in the first place. The art of creating a war is known as ‘conflict initiation’, and it’s what governments do, usually to make it appear that the other side is responsible. Normal people don’t want wars. So where were the limits to lying and fakery in the Russo-Ukrainian conflict? Everything needs to be checked.

This book is no marginal ‘conspiracy theory’ publication; it is a mainstream book, published by a mainstream publisher, with endorsements from the mainstream press. Indeed, on the front cover is a quote from military historian Max Hastings, who is well-known in the UK as a former editor of The Daily Telegraph. He wrote in The Sunday Times, “Good, rollicking fun”. I don’t find it ‘good rollicking fun’, but deadly serious. The ‘British Genius for Deception’ is obviously something that the Establishment are proud of, and people need to be forewarned. Perhaps this was a way of getting the facts into the public domain to be hidden in plain sight. Indeed, among some quotes opposite the Contents page is one from Sherlock Holmes: “There is nothing more deceptive than an obvious fact”.
10. Evidence of deception emerges

Following the interview, it seems that Jim Fetzer was digging around, too, because on 12 March 2022 he produced an amazing blog, headed ‘Udo Ulfkotte (In Memoriam), What Nobody Told You about Ukraine – Mindblowing!’.

Udo Ulfkotte was a journalist and an editor of the Frankfurter Algemeine Zeitung. In his book ‘Gekaufte Journalisten’ [Bought Journalists] he revealed that journalists worldwide are paid by the CIA, secret societies, governments, billionaires etc. to… always lie. Germany, he said, was a colony of the CIA, and he himself had been presented with ready-made articles which he merely had to put his name to before they appeared. A spoof English edition appeared on Amazon, and Paul Barbara of Keep Talking, together with myself, figured that out and we did our best to get a real English-language edition produced. John-Paul Leonard of Progressive Press pulled out all stops to get a book out, first acquiring translation rights, then hiring a translator. The result was ‘Presstitutes Embedded in the Pay of the CIA : A Confession from the Profession’. I thought I was making progress in getting an Esperanto version, too, but the project mysteriously went dead. As I’ve said before, I haven’t succeeded this century in getting three people together to work on an Esperanto project without finding we’re infiltrated. “What Ulfkotte confessed, can easily be observed when we look at how media around the world are lying about Ukraine. Look at the following examples…”, he wrote, showing a catalogue of pictures which first appeared before the Russians had entered Ukraine, taken from a variety of previous incidents in various parts of the world. None of this surprises me – only the fact that Jim has so quickly put it all together.

“On the other hand the news media are hiding critical information, that sheds a completely different light on this whole situation. Here are a few examples…”, continued Jim Fetzer. “The Russian military are delivering hundreds of thousands of pounds of food to the Ukrainian people. This was reported by the Russian news agency RT, which by the way has been one of the very few news agencies in the world, who reported truthfully about the plandemic”, he wrote, showing an embedded video from RT, which is now blocked by YouTube. “Interestingly RT has now been banned all across the world. Clearly their reporting may not be heard by humanity!”, he added. He shows footage of children being trained to shout out “Heil Ukraine, Death to the enemies, Heil Ukraine, Hang the Russians, Ukraine above all!, Ukraine above all else!”. He provides video clips of Ukrainian witnesses who say that the Ukrainian military has been bombing its own people, after which they blame Russia. That doesn’t surprise me either. I never see evidence on the UK news coverage of where the bombs are coming from, and the history of twenty-first century terrorism is littered with false-flag attacks. He also gives footage of an interview with a lady who has lived in Ukraine for 25 years, who reveals that many Ukrainians are happy with the Russian intervention, that many Ukrainians live in appalling conditions, that the current government was positioned through election fraud, as a puppet government for criminals, and that television channels of the opposition have been banned, many journalists have been murdered, and the country operates as a dictatorship, while to the outside world it is praised as a ‘free democracy’.

He includes an interview with some Ukranian soldiers, and writes of the ‘extreme hypocrisy’ of the West. “Why don’t they call for the taking out of George Soros, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, the Rothschilds or Rockefellers, and any of the other master criminals and mass murderers, who have inflicted suffering on the entire world that words cannot even begin to describe?”, he asks, and highlights the Biden family’s links with Ukraine.

“An audio recording surfaced, revealing how U.S. politicians – those who are part of the deep state – were handpicking who they would put in the Ukraine government, and who they would keep out. This means that the Deep State completely controls Ukraine!”, he wrote, embedding a video with a leaked recording of a conversation on how the US should decide on the formation of a Ukrainian government. The context is better described in some of the press reports at the time, such as France24. “The diplomat allegedly heard in the clip – Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Victoria Nuland – is heard discussing strategies for resolving the political crisis in Ukraine with US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt”, they state. The article was posted on 7 February 2014, just before the Maidan revolution.

There is also a map of bioweapon labs in Ukraine. He states, “There are several U.S. bioweapon labs in Ukraine, most of whom are very close to the border with Russia. Reports from Putin’s strikes, show how he has been targeting these bioweapon labs! The Deep State in the U.S. is frantically trying to stop Putin from taking out these bioweapon labs! (source)”. Unfortunately I can’t get access to the source from the UK, so I’m hoping to get confirmation from elsewhere. It is though looking increasingly likely that such biolabs could be at the heart of this conflict, especially in the light of the World Economics Forum’s planned Pandemic and their proximity to Russia. The same applies to US nuclear missile bases near the border with the USSR.
11. An Englishman’s word is his sword – if he’s in Government *

The fog of war is beginning to clear, but this can only be the beginning. Others will be investigating further during the weeks and months to come. The collapse of the war narrative, in conjunction with the collapse of the Pandemic narrative, may give rise to yet another scare narrative. And all the time the army of dissidents in the West is growing.

In the preliminary pages to Churchill’s Wizards is a quote from Winston Churchill: “War is a game that is played with a smile. If you can’t smile, grin”. That’s one of the things that attracted my attention during the 1990s in the Esperanto movement in the UK. Have you noticed how the smiles now seem to have gone out of British politics? Perhaps that’s why the Globalists annointed a clown as Prime Minister, as they did in Ukraine. It seems not to have worked though. A Samizdat mentality has been sweeping across millions of people in England, and with it a Soviet-era sense of grass roots humour. Such a sense of humour never got off the ground in the old 9/11 Truth movement; the imagery was too grim. But now a sense of political humour is bringing the smiles back at the grass roots level. Dr Robert Malone, amongst his normally very serious newsletters, has been distributing collected humour from the social media. The best of such humour couldn’t be made up. Recently a video clip was distributed, showing Joe Biden stating, “Poor kids are just as bright as white ones”. The one thing I really like about Joe Biden is that, unlike George W Bush, his stupidity is absolutely genuine – not that I blame him personally for that. Perhaps that’s why the Globalists annointed him as the next President of the United States of Socialist Republics. During my escapades in the Esperanto committee I received emails from two of the Cambridge smilers ending with “Keep smiling”. So I’ll pass that on: Keep smiling, and keep talking!

* “An Englishman’s word is his sword”: This is a combination of the two proverbs ‘An Englishman’s word is his bond’ and ‘The word is mightier than the sword’. It later struck me that not all readers would have learned these proverbs in England in the 1950s, and so perhaps a word of explanation would be wise.

Ian Fantom, 2023-03-22

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Unread post by simonshack » Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:41 am

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In later times, I've received a few personal e-mails from longtime Cluesforum members who have encountered problems logging in to the forum. They had either lost their password - or were not able (for some unfathomable reason) to log in with their original, 'historical' password.

Now, please know that - ever since the inception of Cluesforum - we've had a pesky bug in the board's php system: members are simply unable to reset their password. Numerous attempts at fixing the problem have failed - and I hereby renew my appeal to our most tech-savvy administrators to try and resolve the issue.

Meanwhile, here's my message to all those who may encounter this problem:

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Also, I would warmly welcome any particularly tech-savvy forum readers to contact me - if they may kindly consider to offer some of their time, advice and support. :)

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Unread post by Maat » Mon May 09, 2022 12:52 pm

Hey all, I'm back! Still can't access Mod edit, so I'll see if it'll let me post.

For a laugh, here's Sergey Lavrov from 5 years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miFmcJhli-c


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miFmcJhli-c

Well, can't get it to embed a video, just the link :huh:


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Unread post by Maat » Tue May 10, 2022 8:32 am

Thanks Simon! Just shows how many years I've been away that I even forgot that detail on posting a video. :D

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Unread post by Mansur » Sun May 15, 2022 1:04 pm

Maat wrote:
Mon May 09, 2022 12:52 pm
For a laugh, here's Sergey Lavrov from 5 years ago...

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miFmcJhli-c
The guy, to me at least, seems to be computer generated - or if not, he has a very 'big face' indeed. Considering how premeditated the joke is, and how out of keeping with the prestige of a politician of this stature, and even how unnatural also the media whore's cheerfulness is, - all point in this direction.

(Putin also has a rather big face in all the 'shots', for that matter.)

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Unread post by Mansur » Sun May 15, 2022 1:08 pm


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeoT66v4EHg


Sure, it may seem pretty funny (I saw this ‘Nora cat’ years ago as a simple animal curiosity), - the matter is however not that the composer was inspired by keys struck randomly on a piano, but rather that: with a habitual routine and with some talent, you can compose around random sounds any predetermined kind of music.

The performance is from 2009; now we can expect softwares already on the market that can do this without the learned skill. That this kind of musicians used to get the title of 'artist' may be understandable in some way, but how to say the same about guys who in front of the screen and keyboard are producing something designed to evoke certain predefined emotions. So it seems 'to raise or provoke certain moods in people’ might serve today as an adequate definition for art - and artists. (It is the goal, by the way, that must be artistic and not the means, not even the actual result. Practically by every music piece now all over the world the goal to be achieved by using artistic means is entirely outside the realm of art.)

And this is the music we listen to now everywhere, whether we like it or not, every single day and not just for minutes but for hours. It's playing in the movies, documentaries… during the news, on the streets or in shops or in the cars (the ‘driving hours’), everywhere. - (And it's playing during 'war' broadcasts... I remember first becoming aware of the latter when the 'Gulf War' was broadcasted. But the thing as a general practice is obviously much older than that.)

And that is a much more general business or theme I think than the simple ‘pop-music-invented-and-used-as-mind-control-tool’ one.

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Unread post by Flabbergasted » Tue May 17, 2022 3:17 pm

Dinesh D'Souza´s May 7th documentary on the 2020 election fraud is now released for viewing. It´s a slick production, almost Hollywoodesque, but it brings to the table some pretty exciting evidence.

I was quite satisfied with the truckload of evidence I had seen in the aftermath of the 2020 clown election. In my opinion it was more than enough to act on (presuming someone wanted to act), but D'Souza thinks the existing evidence was somehow inconclusive or "not of the ideal sort".

The new evidence presented in the documentary consists of hundreds of terabytes of mobile phone geolocation data and 4 million minutes of security camera footage. The former was purchased (we are not told how and with what money) from brokers who would usually sell this to businesses or law enforcement/intelligence outfits. The latter was allegedly obtained by filing freedom-of-information requests.

The material shows thousands of professional mules going from ballot box to ballot box, often in the middle of the night, to dump multiple ballots. The itinerary includes visits to a number of NGOs involved in the scheme (and let´s not forget the 500 million dollars donated by the Zuckerberg character to implement it). The mules wear gloves and photograph the dump to make sure they get paid.

https://odysee.com/2000mules

Lots of political issues in the mix (even Bin Laden is mentioned), but the documentary is worth the viewing time.

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