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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby LightCone on June 14th, 2012, 6:49 am

lux wrote:Well, I don't have a kid handy so my Woody Woodpecker lamp was the closest thing ...


Thanks for the clarification. Now the question remains: why this deception? Is it to "tease" the people? Increase the perceived value and potential of Google?
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby lux on June 14th, 2012, 4:48 pm

LightCone wrote:
lux wrote:Well, I don't have a kid handy so my Woody Woodpecker lamp was the closest thing ...


Thanks for the clarification. Now the question remains: why this deception? Is it to "tease" the people? Increase the perceived value and potential of Google?


Ahh ... the 64-dollar question: WHY?

For "why" questions we can only guess. My guess is it's part of a gradient set-up for future implanted cameras that see and record everything a person sees (whether they want it or not) -- a horrendous public surveillance tool.

"Where were you on the night of January 16th, Bub?" No need to ask -- just play back his VP recording.

A number of Hollywood movies have featured similar viewpoint-capturing scenes too. Remember the Terminator and the Predator sci-fi films? The shots where you're looking through the eyes of the title character? Or, the Albert Brooks "comedy" Defending Your Life ?
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby Maat on June 14th, 2012, 7:24 pm

lux wrote:For "why" questions we can only guess. My guess is it's part of a gradient set-up for future implanted cameras that see and record everything a person sees (whether they want it or not) -- a horrendous public surveillance tool.

"Where were you on the night of January 16th, Bub?" No need to ask -- just play back his VP recording.

A number of Hollywood movies have featured similar viewpoint-capturing scenes too. Remember the Terminator and the Predator sci-fi films? The shots where you're looking through the eyes of the title character? Or, the Albert Brooks "comedy" Defending Your Life ?

It reminds me of the concept illustrated in the Sci-Fi movie, The Final Cut (2004), starring Robin Williams.
The story takes place in a near future in which people can pay to have their babies implanted with memory chips. These "Zoe Implants", developed by EYE Tech company, record every moment of their lives, so that they may be viewed by loved ones after one's death. The plot centers on Alan Hakman, a "cutter", whose job it is to edit the Zoe footage into a feature-film length piece, called a "Rememory".

The Final Cut is about subjectivity, memory and history; posing the question, "If history is what is written and remembered, then what happens when memories are edited and rewritten?"

Written by Lebanese screenwriter director Omar Naim
"The Final Cut is about editing and memory" said the young director barely 27 at the time. Naim also stated that his Lebanese origins also influenced the film's plot. "It’s the Lebanese notion of mass memory, and people's very subjective memory and view of the world," he explains. "This subsequently dictates how society functions. I extrapolated that into sci-fi theory."

I'd put it in the same category as the Matrix movies — recommended viewing.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby LightCone on June 20th, 2012, 6:29 pm

Road blocked by 5,000 ducks in China

http://www.digitalspy.com/odd/news/a388526/road-blocked-by-5000-ducks-in-china-picture.html wrote:Around 5,000 ducks held up traffic in China as a farmer was herding them to a nearby pond.

Farmer Hong, armed with a long stick and aided by his three assistants, guided the flock one kilometre across the city of Taizhou in the Zhejiang province.

Hong stated that he has been doing this regularly for six months but has never lost a single duck.

Though this recent trip was timed to avoid rush hour, a number of commuters were affected by the herd.


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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby whatsgoingon on June 21st, 2012, 6:39 pm

Albeit we have seen all of these methods before. Good to refresh though.


Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: Rules of Disinformation

H. Michael Sweeney
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don't discuss it -- especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it's not reported, it didn't happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit.

3. Create rumor mongers. Avoid discussing issues by describing all charges, regardless of venue or evidence, as mere rumors and wild accusations. Other derogatory terms mutually exclusive of truth may work as well. This method which works especially well with a silent press, because the only way the public can learn of the facts are through such 'arguable rumors'. If you can associate the material with the Internet, use this fact to certify it a 'wild rumor' from a 'bunch of kids on the Internet' which can have no basis in fact.

4. Use a straw man. Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's argument which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue you may safely imply exists based on your interpretation of the opponent/opponent arguments/situation, or select the weakest aspect of the weakest charges. Amplify their significance and destroy them in a way which appears to debunk all the charges, real and fabricated alike, while actually avoiding discussion of the real issues.

5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule. This is also known as the primary 'attack the messenger' ploy, though other methods qualify as variants of that approach. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as 'kooks', 'right-wing', 'liberal', 'left-wing', 'terrorists', 'conspiracy buffs', 'radicals', 'militia', 'racists', 'religious fanatics', 'sexual deviates', and so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.

6. Hit and Run. In any public forum, make a brief attack of your opponent or the opponent position and then scamper off before an answer can be fielded, or simply ignore any answer. This works extremely well in Internet and letters-to-the-editor environments where a steady stream of new identities can be called upon without having to explain criticism, reasoning -- simply make an accusation or other attack, never discussing issues, and never answering any subsequent response, for that would dignify the opponent's viewpoint.

7. Question motives. Twist or amplify any fact which could be taken to imply that the opponent operates out of a hidden personal agenda or other bias. This avoids discussing issues and forces the accuser on the defensive.

8. Invoke authority. Claim for yourself or associate yourself with authority and present your argument with enough 'jargon' and 'minutia' to illustrate you are 'one who knows', and simply say it isn't so without discussing issues or demonstrating concretely why or citing sources.

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

10. Associate opponent charges with old news.
A derivative of the straw man -- usually, in any large-scale matter of high visibility, someone will make charges early on which can be or were already easily dealt with - a kind of investment for the future should the matter not be so easily contained.) Where it can be foreseen, have your own side raise a straw man issue and have it dealt with early on as part of the initial contingency plans. Subsequent charges, regardless of validity or new ground uncovered, can usually then be associated with the original charge and dismissed as simply being a rehash without need to address current issues -- so much the better where the opponent is or was involved with the original source.

11. Establish and rely upon fall-back positions. Using a minor matter or element of the facts, take the 'high road' and 'confess' with candor that some innocent mistake, in hindsight, was made -- but that opponents have seized on the opportunity to blow it all out of proportion and imply greater criminalities which, 'just isn't so.' Others can reinforce this on your behalf, later, and even publicly 'call for an end to the nonsense' because you have already 'done the right thing.' Done properly, this can garner sympathy and respect for 'coming clean' and 'owning up' to your mistakes without addressing more serious issues.

12. Enigmas have no solution. Drawing upon the overall umbrella of events surrounding the crime and the multitude of players and events, paint the entire affair as too complex to solve. This causes those otherwise following the matter to begin to lose interest more quickly without having to address the actual issues.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.
Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic
which forbears any actual material fact.

14. Demand complete solutions. Avoid the issues by requiring opponents to solve the crime at hand completely, a ploy which works best with issues qualifying for rule 10.

15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions. This requires creative thinking unless the crime was planned with contingency conclusions in place.

16. Vanish evidence and witnesses. If it does not exist, it is not fact, and you won't have to address the issue.

17. Change the subject
. Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues.

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

19. Ignore proof presented, demand impossible proofs. This is perhaps a variant of the 'play dumb' rule. Regardless of what material may be presented by an opponent in public forums, claim the material irrelevant and demand proof that is impossible for the opponent to come by (it may exist, but not be at his disposal, or it may be something which is known to be safely destroyed or withheld, such as a murder weapon.) In order to completely avoid discussing issues, it may be required that you to categorically deny and be critical of media or books as valid sources, deny that witnesses are acceptable, or even deny that statements made by government or other authorities have any meaning or relevance.

20. False evidence. Whenever possible, introduce new facts or clues designed and manufactured to conflict with opponent presentations -- as useful tools to neutralize sensitive issues or impede resolution. This works best when the crime was designed
with contingencies for the purpose, and the facts cannot be easily separated from the fabrications.

21. Call a Grand Jury, Special Prosecutor, or other empowered investigative body.
Subvert the (process) to your benefit and effectively neutralize all sensitive issues without open discussion. Once convened, the evidence and testimony are required to be secret when properly handled. For instance, if you own the prosecuting attorney, it can insure a Grand Jury hears no useful evidence and that the evidence is sealed and unavailable to subsequent investigators. Once a favorable verdict is achieved, the matter can be considered officially closed. Usually, this technique is applied to find the guilty innocent, but it can also be used to obtain charges when seeking to frame a victim.

22. Manufacture a new truth.
Create your own expert(s), group(s), author(s), leader(s) or influence existing ones willing to forge new ground via scientific, investigative, or social research or testimony which concludes favorably. In this way, if you must actually address issues, you can do so authoritatively.

23. Create bigger distractions. If the above does not seem to be working to distract from sensitive issues, or to prevent unwanted media coverage of unstoppable events such as trials, create bigger news stories (or treat them as such) to distract the multitudes.

24. Silence critics. If the above methods do not prevail, consider removing opponents from circulation by some definitive solution so that the need to address issues is removed entirely. This can be by their death, arrest and detention, blackmail or destruction of theircharacter by release of blackmail information, or merely by destroying them financially, emotionally, or severely damaging their health.

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on June 22nd, 2012, 1:11 am

whatsgoingon wrote:Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: Rules of Disinformation
H. Michael Sweeney
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html

This article, along with its accompanying sister-article Traits of Disinformation, have already both been posted on this forum numerous times, including by me right after the forum began in late 2009.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby simonshack on June 22nd, 2012, 2:24 am

whatsgoingon wrote:

25. Vanish. If you are a key holder of secrets or otherwise overly illuminated and you think the heat is getting too hot, to avoid the issues, vacate the kitchen.


As of my personal experience, tactic 25 seems to be favored by the aspiring debunkers of September Clues and the Vicsim Report...

But, come to think of it, almost all of the 25 tactics listed by Michael Sweeney neatly describe the methods used by those who are invested in debunking honest truth-searchers. What a warped world we live in !
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby whatsgoingon on June 22nd, 2012, 4:27 pm

Sorry FB, for not seeing you already posted those. I read through them from another blog site and thought just like Simon.

These are exactly the methods used not only on this forum, but all over the world wide web. Not that I am an expert but I frequented the comments sections and wikipedia many years ago. I noticed these patterns in aggressive commenting styles, groups of people posting in a groupthink way, and so forth.

Now I see the other methods on this forum. Clearly the idea of the internet is to move thinking through a large group of anonymous individuals who work under a larger organization.

I imagine Facebook is built on this vision more or less.

Thanks for keeping the riff-raff out Simon. If this were your house, I would say the critters are pretty under control. And those that lurk must be quiet. Perhaps only taking notes or subtly trying to change the topic of conversation at the moment. I have gone back over the older posts and thought about that strategy.

They must come in for a pseudo-attack when the topic is sensitive.

Got to run.
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I,m back

Postby truthseeker on June 22nd, 2012, 4:49 pm

Ok people I had a little meltdown awhile back on this forum. I think we all become a little disingaged at on time, :wacko: or another. My apologys, and heres hoping i can get back into your good graces.

Truthseeker.
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Re: I,m back

Postby fbenario on June 23rd, 2012, 1:22 am

truthseeker wrote:Ok people I had a little meltdown awhile back on this forum. I think we all become a little disingaged at on time, :wacko: or another. My apologys, and heres hoping i can get back into your good graces.

Truthseeker.

Please show your good faith by proofreading your posts before submitting. And what the hell kind of subject line is "I,m back"?
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Re: I,m back

Postby truthseeker on June 23rd, 2012, 5:12 pm

fbenario wrote:
truthseeker wrote:Ok people I had a little meltdown awhile back on this forum. I think we all become a little disingaged at on time, :wacko: or another. My apologys, and heres hoping i can get back into your good graces.

Truthseeker.

Please show your good faith by proofreading your posts before submitting. And what the hell kind of subject line is "I,m back"?

fbenario ! Go fuck yourself ! Asshole. World Class critic you are. Fuck off. Over it. Paranoid assholes.
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Re: I,m back

Postby simonshack on June 23rd, 2012, 5:36 pm

Truthseeker,

Your spelling is improving! :)
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Re: I,m back

Postby brianv on June 23rd, 2012, 6:45 pm

truthseeker wrote:
fbenario wrote:
truthseeker wrote:Ok people I had a little meltdown awhile back on this forum. I think we all become a little disingaged at on time, :wacko: or another. My apologys, and heres hoping i can get back into your good graces.

Truthseeker.

Please show your good faith by proofreading your posts before submitting. And what the hell kind of subject line is "I,m back"?

fbenario ! Go fuck yourself ! Asshole. World Class critic you are. Fuck off. Over it. Paranoid assholes.


Such devastating repartee!

i,m gone :wacko:
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby hoi.polloi on June 23rd, 2012, 8:54 pm

It's not really "paranoid" to ask for the English language. You're suspended, truthseeker.
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Re: THE "CHATBOX"

Postby fbenario on June 24th, 2012, 11:34 pm

For one of the first times ever, today I sent someone the links to the main video and to this forum, and I didn't get push-back or a fight. (When that happens, I ignore the person forevermore.) Her response showed not only possible acceptance of both their conclusions, but also a pretty wise psychological understanding.
Eerie ... they're using us as an experiment.

VERY perceptive of her.
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