The farcical comedy of "Wikileaks", "Anonymous" etc.

[reichstag fireman]

Interesting video. Thankfully, the "Bradley Manning" Psy-Op is not big here in Britain, even though his apparent mother, "Susan" allegedly lives in Wales.

There's a useful open source tool for extracting the embedded flash video from websites for analysis. It can be downloaded here: http://code.google.com/p/get-flash-videos/

Just some random observations, make of them what you may..

• We are told that "Bradley Manning" grew up in Crescent, a small town in rural Oklahoma.
• Narrator: "Bradley..lived in a farmhouse on a remote stretch of road outside of town".
• As a long-gone outsider from out of town, no one living in Crescent today would even remember him then..
• We are not told where "Bradley's" purported father "Brian" lives today.
• The interviews in the footage may be total fabrications through heavy splicing.
• The purported interviewer may not have conducted the interviews.
• The interviewer's questions were perhaps spliced in only afterwards to fit the propaganda.
• The two interviewees may be responding to totally different questions to those presented in the film.
• The two interviewees may not be talking about "Bradley Manning" at all. They both refer only to a "Brad"
• The interviewees provide no context nor relevance to the wikileaks narrative, the purpose of the film.
• This is all human interest guff. All we learn is that "Brad" (no surname) is an angry and disgruntled homosexual.
• Neither of the interviewees even mentions "wikileaks".
• "Brian", "the father" of "Bradley" may not be talking about "Bradley Manning"
• "Brian" may not even be the real name of that man.
• It is only the narrator (and not the interviewer) who refers to "the father" as "Brian".
• "Susan", "the mother" of "Bradley" is never interviewed.
• The photo of "Susan", the supposed mother, is so poor, it could be of anyone. (see 1st column, 2nd row below)
• "Susan" now lives in her native Wales, a country the size of NJ, but with a population of just 3m. Any more info? Thought not.

The photos of "Bradley Manning" don't even look like the same person. The hair colour changes from blond to black and then back again. Look at the unusual teeth and ears as well. They seem to change beyond what we might expect from normal development.

[Anonymouse]

Hmm, very interesting thread. I noticed reference to the whole "anonymous" thing and was considering whether to contribute my perspective on the matter. I don't want to derail the thread, but I hope no-one minds me making a few brief comments.

Anyhow, in my personal experience "anonymous" operates more as a meme than anything else. There's definitely an awareness amongst those self-identifying as "anon" that anyone could don this moniker and speak for a collective that may or may not exist. As such, there are no consensus positions, motivations or ideologies, and everyone's motives are suspect. To ascribe any overarching agenda to anonymous is to completely neglect how heterogeneous an entity it is - since it comprises of a whole bunch of people coalescing around a variety of issues, each for their own reasons, and doing so under this anonymous persona (essentially, the "hive mind" of the internet).

It's worth pointing out that the difficulty Chanology poses to the CoS, is that it subverts their ONLY mechanism for dealing with criticism - attacking the author or source. Anonymous deprived them of a target, particularly because they didn't know who anyone was, anything they did try was being filmed on camera phones, by people who they held no leverage over.

Now, this potential force for good is undoubtedly a double edged sword. All kinds of different groups and interests are being pitched to the interwebs under the anonymous banner, and it can take a bit of digging to figure out if it represents a legitimate collective viewpoint (regardless of whether it's a GOOD viewpoint to hold), or if it may be an attempt to co-op the efforts of others under false pretenses. Also, a largely open door policy means that even within a community one must have a thick skin AND a keen bullshit detector to deal not only with garden variety trolls, but also those with an agenda (whether it be some type of attempt to undermine/splinter the group, waste their time with fraudulent information, or attempts to co-opt it to another cause).

Anyhow, I thought I'd bring all this up, since the who false flag "cyber terror" is basically a given - and beyond easy to fake. Also, because there are aspects of the whole anonymous thing that aren't obvious to the outside observer, and possibly relevant when interpreting it's relation to something like wikileaks.

The other thing I wanted to mention is an article I remembered reading ages ago, from "Paradox" (Melbourne University Maths and Statistics Society magazine). It was about Julian Assange and his involvement with "MUMS" & the maths and stats department.

Not sure if it's relevant and/or of interest, but I thought I'd pass on the link anyhow: http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~mums/para ... /p10-2.pdf

[fbenario]

The other thing I wanted to mention is an article I remembered reading ages ago, from "Paradox" (Melbourne University Maths and Statistics Society magazine). It was about Julian Assange and his involvement with "MUMS" & the maths and stats department.

Not sure if it's relevant and/or of interest, but I thought I'd pass on the link anyhow: http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~mums/para ... /p10-2.pdf

I scanned it pretty quickly, and didn't see anything relevant. Please tell us what seems relevant to you.

[Anonymouse]

The other thing I wanted to mention is an article I remembered reading ages ago, from "Paradox" (Melbourne University Maths and Statistics Society magazine). It was about Julian Assange and his involvement with "MUMS" & the maths and stats department.

Not sure if it's relevant and/or of interest, but I thought I'd pass on the link anyhow: http://www.ms.unimelb.edu.au/~mums/para ... /p10-2.pdf

I scanned it pretty quickly, and didn't see anything relevant. Please tell us what seems relevant to you.

Well, I hadn't really given a bunch of thought to Julian Assange's personal history, however this article gives facts and names that might be verifiable.

From the start Julian was evidently a bright student with much promise. Norman Do, a former editor of Paradox and a student in one of Julian’s early tutorials, recalls that Julian was ‘obviously more mature than most of the other students, very intelligent, self-motivated and extremely curious’.

Damjan Vukcevic, President at the time, recalls that Julian would willingly engage MUMS members in all manner of discussions, ‘whether it be on mathematics homework, philosophy, art or politics.’ His most significant contribution to the Society, and one for which he is most fondly remembered by current members, was establishing the Melbourne University Puzzle Hunt.

Also we have:

What, then, do MUMS members of the 2003-05 era remember of Julian? And does it correspond to the media’s portrayal of him? For a start, Julian’s secrecy and cautiousness towards revealing personal information was already highly developed at the time of his involvement in MUMS. After being elected to the Committee in 2003, Julian refused to allow his photo to be put on the MUMS website (as is the custom), citing security reasons. In its place a photo of an alien was substituted. Julian was also known to enter the MUMS room with a variety of strangers in tow, declining to introduce them to others. Further, Julian was also displaying early signs of his incredible focus and singular work ethic. One former member recounts how Julian ‘often used to remark about not having slept for the last few days. This seemed par for the course for him.’

...This would appear to be a VERY AMBIGUOUS clue, since it could either be a planted story to explain the lack of info around his early life...or alternatively, a genuine account of a person who is secretive and slightly paranoid right from the get-go.

I'm still digesting a great deal of information here on the forums, but I'm not fully on top of everything yet - hence me throwing "possibly of interest" things out there, in case I fail to notice something of significance. Obviously I'll defer to you guys in judging whether things are relevant or not.

[simonshack]

I'm still digesting a great deal of information here on the forums, but I'm not fully on top of everything yet - hence me throwing "possibly of interest" things out there, in case I fail to notice something of significance. Obviously I'll defer to you guys in judging whether things are relevant or not.

The Julian Ass-ange clown is an obvious cointelpro personnage which Cluesforum does not wish to promote. This thread should ideally be closed (so as not to further diffuse the Wikileaks CIA operation) but, for the sake of 'free speech', I will leave it open for anyone who wishes to discuss the issue in a honest and intelligent manner.

[Anonymouse]

The Julian Ass-ange clown is an obvious cointelpro personnage which Cluesforum does not wish to promote. This thread should ideally be closed (so as not to further diffuse the Wikileaks CIA operation) but, for the sake of 'free speech', I will leave it open for anyone who wishes to discuss the issue in a honest and intelligent manner.

Um...okay?

Just trying to fill in the blanks, and figure out how strongly the evidence supports that conclusion.

Also, I'm trying to figure out whether the evidence supports a scenario where wikileaks is created as a sort of trojan horse of disinformation, or whether it has been co-opted after the fact either surreptitiously or in collaboration with one or more people within the wikileaks admin (namely, Julian Assange).

I apologize if my contributions were daft.

[daozen]

The Julian Ass-ange clown is an obvious cointelpro personnage which Cluesforum does not wish to promote. This thread should ideally be closed (so as not to further diffuse the Wikileaks CIA operation) but, for the sake of 'free speech', I will leave it open for anyone who wishes to discuss the issue in a honest and intelligent manner.

Well, I'm pretty sure most of the people who understand most of the psyops talked about in this forum do not wish to promote their mainstream story either, but I do think most newbies will want to look for the most basic evidence that reveals media fakery, it's not as obvious to everyone as it is to the mods and oldies in this forum, as disgustingly obvious as it may be to them, us or whatever. Isn't one of the purposes of this forum to reveal the evidence that points out media fakery?

btw Simon, do you remeber I started a thread asking you about having compact guides on the most basic evidence about the biggest pysops and media fakes talked about in this forum? I think you said you where working on something along them lines, just curious as to whether something came about or not, thanks!

[reichstag fireman]

As a non-entity, "ASSANGE" isn't worth discussing, but the techniques the Apparatus is using to manufacture a fake history for the phony persona are interesting.

Clues contributors have already warned of the strong likelihood that archive.org (a.k.a. Internet Archive of 300 Funston Avenue, San Francisco CA 94118) has inserted falsified documents into its archives. These documents in support of the 911 Myth were produced and inserted long after their purported date of archiving.

There is overwhelming evidence that fake documents have also been inserted into the Google Groups (usenet) archive long after their supposed date of publication. Those documents relate to "JULIAN ASSANGE".

For those not familiar with Usenet, it was once a popular alternative to web forums. Usenet in fact pre-dates the worldwide web (HTTP).

Google Groups is now the only public archive for historic Usenet postings. The Google usenet archive (bought from deja news) dates back nearly 20 years. As such, Google has a powerful role as information gatekeeper here. Be warned! Google Groups archive cannot be relied upon as an accurate source for historical records.

Purportedly, in 2001, a book by "SUELETTE DREYFUS" and "JULIAN ASSANGE" was published online where it was supposedly downloaded some 400,000 times(!)

This is what some crooked scribbler called Bernard Lagan writes in The Age, an odious propaganda outlet of Fairfax Media, to prop up the "ASSANGE" myth.

From: http://www.theage.com.au/world/the-trut ... -ryqo.html

The truth leaks out
Bernard Lagan, New York
April 10, 2010
...
The trail of his ["ASSANGE"s] life is across the internet...

In 1997 an astonishing book was published in Melbourne. It sold a very respectable 10,000 hard copies but, when it was put on to the internet ["in 2001"] free of charge, it was downloaded 400,000 times within two years.

Underground told the riveting inside story of the city's computer hackers and Julian Assange was prominently billed in it as a researcher for the book's author, Dr Suelette Dreyfus, now an academic researcher. It opened with a detailed account of the NASA attack.

That online book purportedly co-authored by "ASSANGE" has literally appeared from nowhere. It definitely was not published online in 2001! In truth, it was published only in the last few months. For a copy of this recent fake, see here.

Had this e-book been genuinely released for free in 2001, we should expect to find many, many online sources for it (and from a variety of distribution mediums: http, bittorrent, usenet, edonkey, etc.) Yet there appear to be just two places to find the book today: xs4all.nl and wikileaks.com. Fancy that! And yet we are told this is a 10 year old e-book. Hmm..

And for a book that was purportedly downloaded by the hundreds of thousands in 2001/2 there should also be dozens, nay, hundreds or even thousands of comments about it on Usenet groups. And many of those comments should date from the time that the book was allegedly first released online (2001).

Yet when we search the Google Groups archive for "JULIAN ASSANGE and "SUELETTE DREYFUS" (sorting by reverse date order) we find suspiciously few messages about the book from 2001 onwards..

See: http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q="julian+assange"+"suelette+dreyfus"

And worse still, the very few messages from 2001 onwards that we do find about "ASSANGE" and "DREYFUS" in the Google Groups archive bear all the hallmarks of blatant falsification and later insertion into the archive.

Furthermore, the content of those messages just doesn't ring true. The messages fail the most rudimentary litmus tests for credibility. For example, many of the early messages about "ASSANGE" purportedly posted in 2001 onwards have no replies. That is almost unknown on Usenet - there's always someone with a comment to add! Was it too much trouble to fake some replies, too, Google?! You lazy sods!

In all likelihood those messages about "ASSANGE" and his alleged e-book were only added to the Google Groups archive in the last few months, to prop up the propaganda about the phony WikiLeaks operation.

Sorry Google.. you've been caught, yet again, with your pants down: faking history!

One-time Google motto: Do No Evil ??? Scrub that ludicrous, dated ideal. Google today is a sinister intelligence operation.

[Anonymouse]

Well, I'm pretty sure most of the people who understand most of the psyops talked about in this forum do not wish to promote their mainstream story either, but I do think most newbies will want to look for the most basic evidence that reveals media fakery, it's not as obvious to everyone as it is to the mods and oldies in this forum, as disgustingly obvious as it may be to them, us or whatever. Isn't one of the purposes of this forum to reveal the evidence that points out media fakery?

btw Simon, do you remeber I started a thread asking you about having compact guides on the most basic evidence about the biggest pysops and media fakes talked about in this forum? I think you said you where working on something along them lines, just curious as to whether something came about or not, thanks!

Actually, on this - have you guys ever considered integrating the information and analysis you do on the forums into a collaborative wiki? It's just that it would be very helpful for a noob to be able to see not only particular pieces of evidence, but also what is known or in dispute regarding it's providence (such as the true date of publication, like reichstag fireman pointed out).

This would also allow analysis to be easily linked with the corresponding primary docs, and the indexing/categorizing of the evidence pool in a number of ways (medium, date of publication, author, air date/time, location, subject, etc.)

Anyhow, sorry if this is the wrong place for this and/or a crummy suggestion, but I wasn't sure if you'd considered this or not, or if it could be helpful.

[reichstag fireman]

Just for the record, below are the (current) contents of the Google Groups archive of Usenet messages about "JULIAN ASSANGE" + "SUELETTE DREYFUS". This is what is in the Google historic archive today. Who knows what the archive might contain tomorrow.

This message list should be read from the bottom (oldest) to the top (newest).

Notice the huge chronological gaps, sometimes of several years! Those gaps are where the Apparatus operatives employed to insert fake messages about "ASSANGE" into Google archives were simply too lazy to do the job properly.

In particular, note the ridiculous gap between 14 July 2001 and May 29 2003 when not a single person posted a message to usenet about "ASSANGE" and "DREYFUS".

Yet that was the exact period of time when the "ASSANGE"/"DREYFUS" e-book was supposedly downloaded by 400,000 people!

This intel scam is almost as rotten as those fakers behind the phony 911 memorial sites. One fuzzy tiny little photo from 2001 with the caption "I miss you real bad, Mom! God Bless America!" and then ten years of intervening silence when "mom", it seems, is completely forgotten.

From: http://groups.google.com/groups/search? ... N&start=30

Looking for an Amstrad 1512 for a movie shoot in Melbourne ...
connected-community-hackerspace - 3 posts - 2 authors - Last post: Mar 30
... is that the rumoured "Underground" movie based on the Suelette Dreyfus/
Julian Assange book? Interesting. : ) On Friday, 30 March 2012 12:23:48 UTC+11,
...
http://groups.google.com/g/d877f6cc/t/3 ... 1e3cfd9e3d

Anyone seen Mac malware in the wild?
uk.comp.sys.mac - 50 posts - 15 authors - Last post: Sep 17, 2011
... book, "Underground: Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on the
Electronic Frontier is a 1997 book by Suelette Dreyfus, researched by Julian
Assange.
http://groups.google.com/g/df47ff03/t/8 ... d862c5c05e

Suelette Dreyfus is on Q&A next week and a Bradly Manning ...
adelaide friends of wikileaks - 5 posts - 4 authors - Last post: Aug 30, 2011
<br>On 19/08/2011 11:19 PM, Sam wrote: Hi all, Suelette Dreyfus is on Q&A next
week. She wrote the book "Underground" with Julian Assange. You can submit ...
http://groups.google.com/g/d0f7e785/t/c ... c9b22cd55a

#1108 Pipes on Australian television: "Islam, Israel and Insurgents"
mepforum - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Aug 23, 2011
Suelette Dreyfus, I mean, you had a connection to WikiLeaks. ... SUELETTE
DREYFUS: Yeah, so Julian Assange, the editor-in-chief, and I co-authored a
book ...
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Google Alert - Podcaster
6enews - 2 posts - 1 author - Last post: Jul 20, 2011
co-author Dr Suelette Dreyfus, leading IT security analyst and *podcaster* Patrick
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qx01 - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Jun 29, 2011
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与亚桑杰合着《Underground》一书的墨尔本大学学者德弗斯（Suelette Dreyfus）则 ...
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Some thoughts prompted by another WikiLeaks event
archives-and-records-australia - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: May 23, 2011
... Friday 20 May to hear a panel consisting of Suelette Dreyfus, Andrew Fowler,
... Sydney Writers Festival discussing what they thought of Julian Assange and ...
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Robert Manne's essay on Julian Assange
soc.culture.baltics - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: May 12, 2011
By 1997 Julian Assange, with his friends Suelette Dreyfus and Ralf Weinmann,
had written Rubberhose, a piece of “deniable cryptography” for human rights ...
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wikileaks seminar @unimelb
mxug - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Apr 13, 2011
Represented in public by Julian Assange, Wikileaks states that its “primary
interest ... Presenter: Dr Suelette Dreyfus is a research fellow with The
Department of ...
http://groups.google.com/g/ae67f7e7/t/1 ... 717fc1cc3b

Assange Covered Space Nukes Protest
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Just today my son Julian, who grew up attending these events during his ... a link
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Freeware copy of Assange's secret book ...
alt.privacy.anon-server - 5 posts - 5 authors - Last post: Jan 10, 2011
... the Electronic Frontier" by WikiLeaks commander-in-chief Julian Assange.
Good grief! You really are full of yourself, aren't you? The author (Suelette
Dreyfus) ...
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WikiLeaks: Some of the most thoughtful and useful resources I've seen
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A real patriot is emerging.
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Julian Quixote An epic drama is unfolding after the WikiLeaks founder was ... of a
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Would conroys Net Filter block WikiLeaks?
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Copyright (c) 1997, 2001 Suelette Dreyfus & Julian Assange.Looks legit. No real
specifics.At the least if gives some hints to background , motivations and ...
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Profile: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange
arif-and-ali-email-forwards - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Oct 18, 2010
To his fans, Julian Assange is a valiant campaigner for truth. ... He then spent
three years working with an academic, Suelette Dreyfus, who was researching
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eantakshari - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Jan 23, 2010
... the electronic frontier (suelette dreyfus & julian assange-2001).pdf 18-jul-2008
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Ebook Collection : Category - Misc Collection ( Includes Security ...
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Secure-Computing - Last post: Jul 26, 2006
... The earliest known instance of hacktivism is documented by Julian Assange as
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[ABC] True Stories "In the Realm of the Hackers"
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soc.culture.malaysia - 3 posts - 3 authors - Last post: Jul 14, 2001
... Madness and Obsession on the Electronic Frontier" by Suelette Dreyfus with
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...
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MISC> Underground: Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on ...
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com/ ...
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Underground: Tales of Hacking, Madness and Obsession on the ...
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Full text to the book ``Underground'' released
sci.crypt - 4 posts - 4 authors - Last post: Jan 21, 2001
In article <wx4ryx6akb....@suburbia.net>, Julian Assange <pr...@iq.org> wrote: I
'm very pleased to announce that thanks to Random House, Suelette Dreyfus ...
http://groups.google.com/g/4877ff0b/t/9 ... 14860fa3c7

Full text to Australian/British/American hacker book ...
aus.net.access - 3 posts - 3 authors - Last post: Jan 20, 2001
Julian Assange <pr...@iq.org> wrote in message ... Suelette Dreyfus and myself
the complete and unabridged electronic text to our book ``Underground: tales of
...
http://groups.google.com/g/6a27ff02/t/2 ... bda0069ae2

Full text to Australian/British/American hacker book ...
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Julian Assange proff@IQ. ... Suelette Dreyfus and myself the complete and
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[Fwd: [ISN] Full text to Australian/British/American hacker book ...
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... nl alt hacker alt hacking alt 2600 Julian Assange wrote: Several people have ...
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Full text to Australian/British/American hacker book ...
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http://groups.google.com/g/dd37ff06/t/c ... dde4261a96

[Fwd: [ISN] Full text to the book ``Underground'' released.]
alt.hack.nl - 1 post - 1 author - Last post: Jan 18, 2001
Julian Assange wrote: I very pleased to announce that thanks to Random House,
Suelette Dreyfus and myself the complete and unabridged electronic text to our ...
http://groups.google.com/g/3907ff04/t/9 ... 8a9a8d2bc3

Full text to Aussie hacker book ``Underground'' released
aus.net.access - 7 posts - 6 authors - Last post: Jan 17, 2001
On 18 Jan 2001 10:02:10 +1100, Julian Assange <pr...@iq.org> wrote: I'm very
pleased to announce that thanks to Random House, Suelette Dreyfus and ...
http://groups.google.com/g/6a27ff02/t/c ... 9cb53d532c

Google has really buggered up that Psy-Op, Anonymouse.

Google's role in faking the "ASSANGE" history is the tip of the iceberg for this wretched Corporation. Since its very inception, Google has been up to its neck in intelligence frauds. Although Google is tasked normally with "losing" incriminating evidence that belies those frauds, rather than actually manufacturing the frauds!

Is this a new low even for Google?

[fbenario]

Also, I'm trying to figure out whether the evidence supports a scenario where wikileaks is created as a sort of trojan horse of disinformation, or whether it has been co-opted after the fact either surreptitiously or in collaboration with one or more people within the wikileaks admin (namely, Julian Assange).

I think you are right on both conclusions, with respect to why Wikileaks exists and has been brought to such wide attention. If it were actually trying to subvert TPTB, as CluesForum is trying to do, it would not have received so much media attention.

Also please keep in mind, for example, that if Wikileaks is a CIA creation, the CIA (as one of TPTB), might be using Wikileaks as a weapon against another of TPTB, in this case both of the Bush and Obama Administrations. We already know that all politicians are merely paid bagmen and hired guns, and at times I'm sure their actions and egos have to be brought down a notch by their controllers and paymasters.

[daozen]

Well, I'm pretty sure most of the people who understand most of the psyops talked about in this forum do not wish to promote their mainstream story either, but I do think most newbies will want to look for the most basic evidence that reveals media fakery, it's not as obvious to everyone as it is to the mods and oldies in this forum, as disgustingly obvious as it may be to them, us or whatever. Isn't one of the purposes of this forum to reveal the evidence that points out media fakery?

btw Simon, do you remeber I started a thread asking you about having compact guides on the most basic evidence about the biggest pysops and media fakes talked about in this forum? I think you said you where working on something along them lines, just curious as to whether something came about or not, thanks!

Actually, on this - have you guys ever considered integrating the information and analysis you do on the forums into a collaborative wiki? It's just that it would be very helpful for a noob to be able to see not only particular pieces of evidence, but also what is known or in dispute regarding it's providence (such as the true date of publication, like reichstag fireman pointed out).

This would also allow analysis to be easily linked with the corresponding primary docs, and the indexing/categorizing of the evidence pool in a number of ways (medium, date of publication, author, air date/time, location, subject, etc.)

Exactly!

[daozen]

Can one of the clues photoshop experts in here point out the obvious signs of fakery? please, I'm having trouble spoting them. They seem fake but I'm having trouble poining the bits out. thanks!

[reichstag fireman]

Here we see "Wee Brad" after his extradition from Lilliput. The caption says: "Worse for wear: Manning looks dramatically more gaunt and thin since he was taken into custody in May 2010" but it should say that the little bastard shrunk!!!!

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1xFch1WlH

Bwhaha!

[simonshack]

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z1xFch1WlH

Bwhaha!

Bwhahaha indeed.

Also, I'm sure everyone remembers that infamous "wikileaked" video of 2007, purportedly shot from a military helicopter - which allegedly gunned down 'by mistake' a bunch of cameramen. Well, I had missed the numerical detail mentioned in the above-linked Daily Mail article...

"The material Manning is suspected of leaking includes hundreds of thousands of sensitive reports on foreign governments and leaders, Iraq and Afghanistan war logs and a 2007 video clip of a U.S. helicopter crew gunning down 11 men later found to include a Reuters news photographer and his driver."

And Manning is said to be facing indictment on 22 counts. Good grief...