The CORONAVIRUS circus

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rusty
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:13 pm

Not sure where this is heading and what is the actual agenda behind it. Surely a giant experiment on many levels. I'm not too optimistic it will be over soon, but certainly opposition is on the rise and more and more people are not gonna take it anymore. If you want to crank up your speakers in rebellion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xmckWVPRaI

Here's some of the latest news:
  • In Germany, contacts of "infected" persons who develop symptoms will now be counted as C. cases as well, regardles of the test result. This will certainly inflate the numbers, so they're currently pushing it to a new level here
  • A German medic reported in a video, that a hospital doctor friend of his was not allowed to transfer a patient with an aneurysma to intensive care, in spite of at least 9 free beds in the unit. Reason: Those beds are reserved for future COVID patients
  • According to this article (Italian), the mortality figure of this month in the Bergamo area is in fact increased 4-fold. I don't really doubt id, but it would be very interesting to learn WHO died WHERE and WHEN of WHICH CAUSE. My personal guess is, that the number of fatalities due to respiratory cases is also significantly increased, but the majority probably died of pre-existing conditions under the chaotic circumstances. If people who need intensive care don't get it and those who don't need it, get it, you should not be surprised
  • The current overall excess mortality in Europe is only increased somewhat for the age group above 65 in Italy (especially in the north) and in the northeast of France. All other age groups and regions are at a normal level.
  • In this article (Italian) it is reported that in the town of Vo' Euganeo all of the 3000 inhabitants were tested. 50-75% of those 88 who tested positive had no symptoms at all (obviously, it's not clearly defined what a symptom is). Let's assume a figure of 58 (65%) asymtomatic and 30 symptomatic positive cases. For lack of a given number or clear definition, let's assume that 10% (300 inhabitants) of the total population did have symptoms. That would make 58 of 2700 => ~2% of asymptomatic people test positive and 30 of 300 => ~10% of symptomatic people, which goes well with the already known figures. The interesting part is, that after 7-10 days only 8 out of the 88 were still "infected". The article states that this as a successful outcome of the quarantine measures. What I suppose this actually means: They only tested those 88 people again after 7-10 days and only 8 came up positive. Again, this is no surprise, because those tests are totally unreliable and produce almost random results. Would they have tested all 3000 again, they'd have come up with another ~90 cases. How stupid can it get until anyone recognizes?
EDIT: One addition: Just learned about another detail, why hospitals are flooded with patients now: If you test positive, it's no longer possible to treat you in a doctor's office, you need to go to the C. unit in a hospital. They might even need to close many offices, when there are too many positive tests. If an MD is reasonable, he will refuse to test as long as possible.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by Flabbergasted » Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:12 pm

In the State of São Paulo (whose governor is one out of a pack of hyenas trying to seize federal executive power), SAMU doctors are now instructed to issue death certificates for people dying at home based on the "probable cause of death" since it is not possible to perform a proper autopsy. As far as I understand, most of the body organs need to be autopsied to establish "COVID-19" as the cause of death, something that can apparently take up to a month. I haven´t checked my sources yet, but it would seem no such autopsies have been performed on alleged flu casualties in Italy.

According to a health professional interviewed for the article below...
"This destroys statistics used in health care policy making. Deaths from heart attack, stroke, aneurysm, etc. will be classified as "undetermined" or "COVID-19".
For what it´s worth (in Portuguese):
https://tribunaonline.com.br/medicos-do ... oronavirus

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by simonshack » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:01 pm

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I was going to post this in our "Songs that Expose the Truth" thread - but I might as well post it here: :P

THE CORONAVIRUS RHAPSODY
https://www.facebook.com/david.giles.37 ... 400466321/

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by slowanon » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:31 am

Trump has said he wants a 'reopening' after Easter. That's still two weeks from now, it's not that very soon.

Ataraxia wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:16 am
So they've literally taken away our toys, our movies, our comic books and our sporting events.
Only that much, toys and entertainment, that might be understating it a bit, and alone the threat of curfew is hostile.

In Canada now: "The Government of Canada has put in place emergency measures that require mandatory 14-day self-isolation for all persons entering Canada, even if they do not have COVID-19 symptoms. [...] If you do not have symptoms, you must self-isolate for 14 days and monitor your health for cough, fever or difficulty breathing. If you develop these symptoms within 14 days:"

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/ ... dvice.html

This might or might not be more strict than a general lockdown, it's not clear to me. A number of European countries have similar rules for "mandatory 14-day self-isolation", possibly even enforcable by the police, in theory (i.e. the rules have been written that way). But in the context of Europe these rules are inhibiting travel between member states, like you wouldn't be able to travel from one federal state to another in the US. Some European countries have made wearing facial covering in public mandatory.

https://cz.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/
https://sk.usembassy.gov/covid-19-information/

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by slowanon » Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:32 am

patrix wrote:
Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:04 am
How to create a PLANDEMIC! Video looking into the "Corona test kits"
video wrote: Virologist Ian Lipkin who is developing a test was consultant for the movie Contagion.
Good one. News articles say he has also caught the flu now!
Further information about the test: https://www.mailman.columbia.edu/public ... 9-pandemic

"Why is this test important, aren’t there many other tests developed already?
Most current tests are designed for those who are ill and showing symptoms. It is crucial we expand our testing to include those who may be infected and spread the disease without symptoms."

video wrote: CDC test: positive results are indicative of active infection with 2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite cause of disease.
If the stated purpose of the test is to detect that one specific 'thing', then there isn't too much here to be hung up on, but the last sentence might be a good reminder that it seems to be murky how they differentiate whether the cause is the coronavirus or something other, and that we seemed to have official sources saying or indicating that they're counting numbers in way that a positive test result overrides other diagnosis in the statistics.
video wrote: Study says there's a 47% false positive rate.
Not sure how much that helps. If we halve the numbers in the statistics, we still get large numbers. They also seem to be going for an exponential growth type of scenario for a certain length of time, like doubling of cases every X days, just assuming 1/2 of the daily reported cases but still having the same rate of growth will still result in large numbers. Would need to look into those models.

For further investigation:

More information about the test by Drosten that has been adopted by the WHO, and other early tests:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41587-020-00002-2

The paper for the test by Drosten:
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/conten ... .3.2000045

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by mnew9 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:17 am

British doctor Vernon Coleman calls out the fake pandemic and gives an interesting theory as to what is behind it.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq_iq2cxpf8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq_iq2c ... Q_PgX7Ddxw

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by patrix » Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:51 am

Thanks mnew9. Vernon sums it up nicely. Elderly are a burden in the crumbling economy of the Nutwork and Big Pharma/Medicine so let's figure out ways to get rid of them.

In these times I would like to thank all the skilled researchers at Cluesforum.info and especially one man - Simon Shack, who has worked full time uncovering the lies of the Nutwork for over a decade. Pro bono mankind. We owe you. If you'd like to support Simon and give him some well deserved credit please donate at Septemberclues.info or buy his excellent music (Don't donate through bandcamp though since they take a hefty cut).

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Crisis actor anyone? :puke: :puke: :puke:

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrNXXQ_0WlU
https://youtu.be/zrNXXQ_0WlU

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by mlebek » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:33 pm

Corona collecting point, Berlin:
no patients, no physicians, no bodies, but more and more people who say 'Fake!'
https://d.tube/#!/v/zellblock/xxks1fjs71z (en sub)

or ready for deletion on utube(en sub):

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FAT7RmZ1k

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by rusty » Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:15 pm

slowanon wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:32 am
The paper for the test by Drosten:
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/conten ... .3.2000045
This is very interesting. I think it takes some time for non-experts to understand what was approximately going on, and I would highly appreciate if Seneca or anyone else would take a closer look at this as well.

This article describes the contruction of the test kit in much detail. As far as I understand, they did not have actual Wuhan samples of patients for validation, but rather synthesized the sequences artificially, using the Chinese database records. So there is no actual confirmation of the test reacting positive to actual patients who were already "known" to have the "novel virus" The rest looks reasonable at a first glance: Check if the test kit does not react positive to other, old samples from 2019 of very different sources. It states:
We selected 198 samples ... testing yielded no false positive outcomes. In four individual test reactions, weak initial reactivity was seen but they were negative upon retesting with the same assay.
So we could probably say if you exclude the bias of the testers that there were actually 4 (2%) false positives (this would still be comparatively low if we consider all the samples came from symptomatic patients). However, we must also put this in context with what we already know happened later (end of february) in some laboratories:
Article by David Crowe wrote: A group of doctors in Marseille, France, working in a very experienced lab, that regularly does testing for respiratory viruses, reported testing 4084 samples for the novel coronavirus, using several systems approved for use in Europe, without a single positive. This included 337 people returning from China who were tested twice, and 32 people referred because of suspected coronavirus infection. It is statistically improbable that this lab was just lucky to not get any coronaviruscases, it is more likely that they used more stringent criteria, illustrating that the performance of not just test kits, but labs, with this new test, is completely unknown. Yet, a positive test remains unquestioned in every case.
Alledgedly (from what I heard, have not yet read up on all the material, maybe someone can chime in here), Drosden got his test validated later by the Chinese from Wuhan with actual samples taken from some patients there. A critical peer-review of the test kits, however, never really happened, AFAIK. So, if the sensititvity of their own tests in detecting "false positives" was very low, but is much higher (due to all sorts of contaminations) in the laboratories which do a shitload of testing now, we should not be surprised of the outcome (many more positive results).

As a general indicator if there is currently really such thing as "virus spreading", detectable by the test kit, the ratio between tested people and positive results (given the test method and the tested group remains more or less constant with regard to symptoms) gives a much more reliable picture here. We can see for example in the following picture, that there currently is only a small rise in positive cases (blue line), it seems to end up more or less at the 15% mark:

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Source: https://coronadaten.wordpress.com/ (German)


There are some new details I learned from that Drosden paper:
RNA was extracted from clinical samples with the MagNA Pure 96 system (Roche, Penzberg, Germany) and from cell culture supernatants with the viral RNA mini kit (QIAGEN, Hilden, Germany)
The MagNA Pure 96 system uses magnetic glass particle technology, the QIAGEN mini kit uses a silica membrane. Both systems can be used for purification of RNA from other particles, but as far as I see, this does never include a real analysis of the RNA. Is there any way of really determining individual sequences? I guess it's probably all done with PCR, using synthesized sequences - maybe we can further clarify this topic. This also pertains to the general virus/virology thread, IMO.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by bhicks » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:11 pm

Hi,

Regarding the Coronavirus scare going on around the world, this was from the freelance journalist Jason Goodman. If you live in the US or UK, you will of seen this NY Times video with an ER Dr. called Colleen Smith

13 Deaths in a Day: An ‘Apocalyptic’ Coronavirus Surge at an N.Y.C. Hospital
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/nyre ... itals.html
(need subscription to see it)
Screenshots here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ueens.html

This story has been replicated in many other newspapers, since NYTimes is a paper of record.

What Jason Goodman found was that this Colleen Smith is involved in medical simulation, and was part of this paper, published May 2019:
A Simulated Mass Casualty Incident Triage Exercise: SimWars
https://www.mededportal.org/publication/10823/
"A mass casualty incident (MCI) is an event that overwhelms the local health care system, with the number of casualties vastly exceeding local resources and capabilities in a short period of time."

The video itself looks staged.

Oxford University's study https://theweek.com/speedreads/904584/n ... s-immunity
,along with Stanford', essentially critiquing WHO's stats as unreliable now, and suggest that the virus had spread much earlier and is much more virulent, so many more people have it already, like millions (so it is much less deadly than thought). This has caused the widely cited (by NY Times etc..) Imperial College study that the UK government used to enforce lockdown to retract their original estimate (https://www.dailywire.com/news/epidemio ... mJHNGEeaaU)
from 500K dead in the UK, to around 20K, and that the peak in the UK is only 2-3 weeks away. A Professor at John Hopkins as well admits that millions of americans actually already have it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozGMjRcHk_E

Many people are on social media, friends of mine, both in the UK and US included, are wondering about a nasty flu-like cough and chest infection that spread around December-Christmas-January, and if this is the virus. I personally had coworkers out, and come back with a nasty cough for 2-3 weeks. Was out myself for some days before Christmas, with a nasty cough and infection. This has caused enough stir for mainstream media to look acknowledge it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 899027001/

Finally, Nathan Rich on youtube makes a plausible argument with the timeline of Fort Detrick being closed by the CDC late last summer, and the appearance of a pneumonia outbreak around some assisted living facilities in the area (which the CDC ruled as the common cold!), and a huge spike in vaping-lung illness later that summer in the US that supposedly looks a lot like COVID, then disappearing right when the CDC started reporting for the flu season (the assumption being that they rolled these cases as flu).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J6zm6zgah0

I'm still open minded about what is happening re: Coronavirus, as I have a cousin in the US and other friends who work in hospitals and ICUs and they are saying that it is crazy. I feel that there is a nocebo effect at play, thanks to the media, that is causing people to freak out and go to the hospital, which can contribute to creating a pandemic, but how much can account for real patients that are requiring ventilators etc.. there does seem to be something out there, that may be virulent and spread probably a lot sooner, but not nearly as deadly as initially thought, yet it effects enough people in a way to make people require ventilators and can put stress on the system (along with media).

This seems to be planned, and is a well orchestrated psy-op and social engineering procedure, using confusion and complacency of agencies (both real and contrived), false reporting, bad and confusing testing standards and data, news media and social media to create a panic. As others have said, its probably an extension of Event 201. The contagion (if you believe it is not all hysteria), is used to seed panic and shut the economy down and transform behavior through fear and trauma. The longer than usual incubation period creates more paranoia, and the relatively small amount of people that get seriously ill (which will be shown as more testing is done), though enough to create pressure on hospitals is focused on in the media, is enough, along with IMO, confusing information being feed to people, along with a 'new normal' required. Its an attack on many levels, like other psy-ops and has esoteric elements too.

This could well be the excuse to eventually reboot the global economy, with China being used as the model for the new technocracy, since Western democracies will be seen as too dangerous in this new normal, along with cash, as cryptocurrencies will be pushed (the digital dollar was going to be added to the US stimulus package).

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by simonshack » Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:50 pm

bhicks wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:11 pm

If you live in the US or UK, you will of seen this NY Times video with an ER Dr. called Colleen Smith
"you will of seen?"

English isn't my mother language - but I believe that the correct spelling should be : "you will have seen".

Can someone please explain to me why so many English mothertongues are apparently afflicted by this all-too-widespread "grammar virus"? :P

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by bhicks » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:27 pm

rusty wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:15 pm

As a general indicator if there is currently really such thing as "virus spreading", detectable by the test kit, the ratio between tested people and positive results (given the test method and the tested group remains more or less constant with regard to symptoms) gives a much more reliable picture here. We can see for example in the following picture, that there currently is only a small rise in positive cases (blue line), it seems to end up more or less at the 15% mark:

Image
Source: https://coronadaten.wordpress.com/ (German)
Just checked out this article. Great stuff, this is what I thought all along, that more testing will show more cases if we believe the "virus spreading" story, so exponentially more testing will give the appearance of exponentially increasing cases. It amazes me how intelligent well reasoned people (like most of my friends and family) lose their critical reasoning during times of fear.

Yet, as that analysis shows, if there was something exponentially increasing, we would greater infection %, which we are not seeing.
Also from that article:

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"The proportion of hospitalized COVID19 sufferers skyrocketed. This indicates that there is increasing panic regarding this pathogen. If the health system is overloaded, this could lead to an increasing number of nosocomial infections (hospital infections). Since flu viruses are often socialized (Sema Nickbakhsh et al. Http://www.pnas.org/cgi/doi/10.1073/pnas.1911083116 ), there is a risk of life-threatening secondary infections."

This does make a lot of sense as well. I gather that some patients in china that tested negative and released can test positive afterwords.. which makes you wonder how effective the tests are to begin with, since re-infection is considered very rare.

@simonshack, thanks for pointing out my not so perfect grammar. If it is hard for you to read as non-native english speaker, i will make sure to be more careful. Also, I am open to there not being a virus as well, just not convinced yet. The article quoted above suggests that there is no virus spreading exponentially, which is interesting. Perhaps there is an egregore/groupthink element that is causing people to panic and pick up social germs at hospitals, along with bad testing, as the article suggests.
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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by alovas1980 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:45 pm

mlebek wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:33 pm
Corona collecting point, Berlin:
no patients, no physicians, no bodies, but more and more people who say 'Fake!'
https://d.tube/#!/v/zellblock/xxks1fjs71z (en sub)

or ready for deletion on utube(en sub):

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8FAT7RmZ1k
Nice video, unfortunately the YouTube version has been deleted and the d.tube version ends abruptly at 10 minutes.
Did anybody download the original video?

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by patrix » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:16 am

alovas1980 wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:45 pm
Nice video, unfortunately the YouTube version has been deleted and the d.tube version ends abruptly at 10 minutes.
Did anybody download the original video?
I hope so. I didn't realize that the D-tube version was shorter. The longer video on YouTube only stayed up for a few hours.

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Re: The CORONAVIRUS circus

Unread post by heniek1812 » Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:17 am

Yes, you need to be fast else they will take down anything that interferes with the Kabuki Performance. Same goes for comments.

Here is a video from back in 2009 when the "War of the Worlds" involved an already forgotten "pandemic".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH4d7AZ ... tu.be&t=37

Along the way I found this video from Arizona showing one very busy hospital doing basically nothing,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRUbDSa-vbQ

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