Costa Concordia incident, Friday 13 Jan 2012

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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 6:59 pm

According to wikipedia, the population on Giglio Island (not far from Tuscany) is of ~1400 inhabitants http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isola_del_Giglio

The pictures show the boat sunk a few yards from the coast and perfectly visible to anyone on the island. Is it conceivable for this event to be completely faked? At the moment, I must conclude no, because I cannot imagine buying the silence of a whole island that is neither starving poor nor a military island.

Yet many things are strange with this event. Maybe the boat really sunk there, but there never were 4000 people on board, nor victims, and the entire accident was staged. We could play with this possibility for starters.

A cluster of small and not-small coincidences orbits around this event, some already named in this thread...

Friday 13th (sigh);

The anniversary of Titanic and the upcoming 3D version of the movie;

The name itself of the boat and the metaphoric significance it can have (see this link provided by Terrence.drew: http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/vi ... rary.77802 The origins of the name are also told here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia);

the italian actress/TV personality Francesca Rettondini, allegedly on board (http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche ... 46736.html), who in 2002 starred in the movie "ghost ship" about a shipwreck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_%282002_film%29)

the inauguration champagne bottle that allegedly did not break; http://www.youreporter.it/video_Il_varo ... _Concordia

the strange repetitive, limited accounts of the survivors, that are more or less identical: everyone was sitting at the table for dinner, then the impact, then the lights went off, etc etc.;

the ludicrous explanation of the captain who allegedly declared that the rocks were not indicated on the map: are we serious? in 2012? in the Mediterranean and next to the coast? with a brand new technologically advanced ship liner?

This accident seems to frankly be beyond the realm of possible.

Since I am reading on those italian forums linked by corsarino certain (undoubtedly possible) conspiratorial ideas relative to the island itself and its name, it must be noted that according to wikipedia, the island does not take its name form the flower lily (in italian "giglio"), thus its name is not linked to the symbol of the french royalty or the medici family or the templars: instead we are told the name comes from the greek word "aigylion", which refers to the populations of goats that used to live on the island. Sigh for the goats.
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby brianv on January 15th, 2012, 7:04 pm

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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 7:47 pm

brianv wrote:Image

Is it photoshopped?


I don't know the first thing about ships or their accidents. But I wonder: if what we see in these pictures is the hole that caused the ship to sink,

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how is it possible for the hole to appear above water? If anything, the side with the hole should be the less likely to be seen as the ship sinks, no? The water enters from there.
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby Heiwa on January 15th, 2012, 8:27 pm

nonhocapito wrote:how is it possible for the hole to appear above water? If anything, the side with the hole should be the less likely to be seen as the ship sinks, no? The water enters from there.


See my post above 7.34 pm. The 20-30 meter long hull structural damage is on the port aft side below waterline and due to a contact with shore/rocks, when the ship apparently turned starboard to avoid running straight up on the island!! The forward part of the ship is undamaged. The contact must have caused a very loud, long noise aboard ... and you wonder why media has not reported about it interviewing all these passengers??
Anyway, the ship was leaking and that was a problem. In principle the ship should survive due to watertight subdivisions inside the ship but ... the rules are frequently not followed and Costa Concordia (+ sisters and similar ships) is a possible example. Watertight doors are fitted and left open, etc, ect. I assume the Master therefore decided to beach the ship and thus turned 180° port and ran the ship on the rocks with bow pointing south, starboard side towards shore. I like that. Situation was critical and best solution was to put ship on ground close to shore. Good Master & crew! All lifeboats were launched and 99% all aboard were evacuated, prior to ship listed more towards shore, etc. Fantastic! Good crew and seamanship! The lifeboats had only 300 meters to a port. Then more water entered, ship listed more to starboard, etc, as seen and there we are now. Pity that a few people died.
But - no fuel leaked out. No pollution. No little seabird harmed!
I assume the ship will be raised and refloated in due course.
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 8:52 pm

Heiwa wrote:I assume the ship will be raised and refloated in due course.


Actually they talk about "constructive total loss". Around $500 million damages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster

I understand certain parts of the dynamic of this accident. But do you find it believable that there can be rocks not marked on the map in that location? And if not, why the Master lied about it, if he behaved correctly and professionally otherwise?
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby Heiwa on January 15th, 2012, 9:24 pm

nonhocapito wrote:
Heiwa wrote:I assume the ship will be raised and refloated in due course.


Actually they talk about "constructive total loss". Around $500 million damages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Concordia_disaster

I understand certain parts of the dynamic of this accident. But do you find it believable that there can be rocks not marked on the map in that location? And if not, why the Master lied about it, if he behaved correctly and professionally otherwise?


It seems the 'rock' was just very close to the shore ... marked on any chart. The ship was almost running up on the shore but managed to get off at the first part of the incident (due to lack of look out from bridge) but was severely damaged ... so the Master or somebody decided to beach the ship. :o
The Master's and his deputy's role on a cruise ship is to entertain, wine, dine and keep the passengers happy so they spend all their money on the ship. Navigation is left to the 2nd mate and his colleagues. Safety is the responsibility of the chief mate, etc, etc. It is a funny business (I was part of it for many years) but after a while it gets boring. :rolleyes:
Second part of the incident was beaching the ship and it went well.
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 9:39 pm

Earlier Saturday Francesco Schettino, captain of the Costa Concordia, had told Italian television that the vessel had hit a rocky spur while cruising in waters which, according to the charts, should have been safe.

"As we were navigating at cruise speed, we hit a rocky spur," he told Tgcom24 television station:

"According to the nautical chart, there should have been sufficient water underneath us," he added. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ssing.html


So, there you have it, in the Mediterranean there are rocks wrongly marked on the map, according to the captain of Concordia. It matters not who is responsible here, if the mate or who else, as I assume the captain is speaking for all the officers, and I also assume this is the "line of defense" decided with Costa.
It is just absurd for them to come forward with this explanation: unless there are simply no speakable reasons for this accident, so anything sounding remotely real will do.
I remember back in the day of the Ustica "accident" when the official theory was "structural failure" of the airplane...
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby Heiwa on January 15th, 2012, 10:06 pm

It will be interesting to see what the 'Black box' or the Voyage Data Recorder says about speed, course, positions during the incident. :rolleyes:
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 11:06 pm

I stand corrected. As of this evening, Costa is dumping the Capitan. And they certainly don't mention unmarked rocks.
http://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/0 ... -28191255/
Their official position is now that the Captain made "errors of judgment" in bringing the boat too near the coast (funny how "Costa" in italian means "coast"). They also add that "1,100 people across the globe are working for Costa right now to handle this terrible accident." This goes perfectly well with the "the weight of the empty ship being equal to 110 Boeing 747" (a really weird comparative piece of data mentioned on almost every italian newspaper, for example here: http://www3.lastampa.it/cronache/sezion ... tp/438203/).
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby brianv on January 15th, 2012, 11:13 pm

I take it there are no Lighthouses or Coast Guards and the ship didn't have GPS navigation!
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby simonshack on January 15th, 2012, 11:15 pm

nonhocapito wrote:Yet many things are strange with this event. Maybe the boat really sunk there, but there never were 4000 people on board, nor victims, and the entire accident was staged. We could play with this possibility for starters.


Nonho, that's how I feel too, at this moment: Staged event - no passengers on board.

My bullshit meter starts beeping loudly when I read stuff like this (on the official RAI Radio website - dated Jan 12, 2012):

AL GIORNALE RADIO LA TESTIMONIANZIA DI UNO DEI PASSEGGERI
Costa 'Concordia' in avaria all'Isola del Giglio. Passeggeri evacuati sulle scialuppe

La nave della Costa Crociere era salpata da Civitavecchia ed era diretta a Savona, con a bordo circa 4.200 passeggeri. Ha avuto un problema all’impianto elettrico che ha costretto l’equipaggio a trasferire tutti gli occupanti sulle scialuppe di salvataggio con direzione la vicina isola del Giglio. (...) A dare la notizia è stato un passeggero con una telefonata all’agenzia Ansa.

http://www.grr.rai.it/dl/grr/notizie/Co ... refresh_ce


Basically, this early "breaking news" article says that a passenger had called in to RAI Radio and told them there had been electrical problems on the ship which had forced the crew to put all the passengers on board the lifeboats, which then set off in direction of the nearby Giglio island.

Now, let's say that YOU were a passenger on board a vessel that first crashes into a rock with a big bang while you're chewing your lobster in the dining room, then capsizes on its side - with all the traumatic drama this must entail. You are lucky enough to escape alive - and you decide to pull out your cellphone and call RAI Radio to inform them of your ordeal. Would the core of your testimony possibly be that "there was an electrical problem on board?" And are we now to believe that Italian state media (RAI) now relies on "private passenger phone calls" to provide details of such momentous news events?

I call bullshit: try counting how many times the word "passenger(s)" is mentioned in that early, short article - and I think you'll see what I'm getting at...
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby brianv on January 15th, 2012, 11:22 pm

Did Cantor Fitz have offices on the top deck? That 4000 figure seems a bit rich!

It could have been scuttled by the owners for the Insurance! It will end up in Disney's fleet!
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby ewing2001 on January 15th, 2012, 11:26 pm

...whether this event took place or not in the way as described, but it most likely smacks like a falseflag [incl. plausible "satellite-image" fakery], linked to a sophisticated power supply sabotage and possibly a depth sounder frequency hack, maybe'ish also an electronic defense corporate ff-attempt, to overhaul the Underwater acoustic positioning system, see experts at http://www.underwater-gps.com/uk/techno ... oncept.php ; http://huayang-tech.en.alibaba.com/ etc ...
+++ [incl some fishy visuals grossing into related VR|photoshop efforts].

The incident furthermore seems to resemble the historical "voyage of Odysseus".
Meta-sophisticated Insider-ParadigmSwitch-Message, linked to the EUROZONE takeover|recession'crisis'-Scam ?

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Competing with Carnival Corporation & plc [which owns Costa Concordia] is Genting Hong Kong [runs Star Cruises, owns 50 per cent of Miami-based Norwegian Cruise Line and also Resorts World Manila, a luxury casino resort in Manila].

Interesting tidbits:

"... an explosion heard by some of the passengers on board may have been caused by a phenomenon known as “harmonic interference”, according to Malcolm Latarche, the editor of the global shipping magazine IHS Fairplay Solutions...
... Mr Latarche added: “From the reports I have seen it seems there was an explosion followed by a blackout which could have been caused by a power surge. There are various back-up systems in place on all ships but they may have failed also..."

"... this ship is the sister ship to the Carnival ship that had some sort of explosion/fire, and lost power in the fall of 2010 and had the US Navy provide assistance. [Carnival Splendor, which was the ship that lost power off Mexico]..."

"...lifeboat drill was set for 5pm the next day..."

from http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cruises/ ... sinks.html

"...the rocks do not appear to be on the google map of Giglio but show on the satellite image..."

from http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1549148

area *very well known for no accidents:

"...The island of Sardinia, not far from the sinking site was, according to scholars, (including the distinguished Robin Lane Fox in Travelling Heroes Greeks and Their Myths in the Epic Age of Homer), the cross roads of the Mediterranean from about 1100 BCE to about 700 BCE... if we take the date from 1100 BCE, the sea around Giglio has been charted for 3,112 years...One has to wonder if the bridge crew of the Costa Concordia had just had a Roman chart..."

from http://nwcoastenergynews.com/2012/01/14 ... rdia-sank/


[my one and only take on this, ps: more historical cover-ups, incl. in language and history in general, now in my book at http://tinyURL.com/occupybeyonce ; print-released one day before jay z allegedly [*truman?-]rented a floor in Lenox Hill Hospital, founded in 1857 as the German Dispensary, aka the German Hospital. ;- (D. Roosevelt's adviser and speechwriter Samuel Rosenman died over there, among many other famous dudes ;

excerpt :
"...And what [really'ish] happened on 15 April 1912 ?
Was the sinking of the Oceanic Steam Navigation Company just a successful attempt to block private radio stations ?

And why do u think, "CB Funk" aka CB-FUNK (engl. Citizens’ band radio) aka 'Jedermannfunkanwendung' [~transl: everyone's tools] from *Truckers and their buddies got replaced with SiriusXM "Radio"/NASCAR/Oprah & Friends/Howard 101, Martha Stewart Living, plus *clearchannel*/Bain Capital LLC/Burger King/TPG Capital/Goldman Sachs and Electronic Serial Number-Radio ID's ?..."

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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby simonshack on January 15th, 2012, 11:34 pm

Ewing2001,

Are you Nico Haupt, by any chance?

In any case, may I kindly ask you to introduce yourself here, as required by our forum rules? Thanks!
http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838

ps: BTW, how's Paula Gloria and the CONCORDIA FOUNDATION doing, nowadays? :P
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Re: Costa Concordia

Postby nonhocapito on January 15th, 2012, 11:41 pm

Yes Simon, and if you watch the videos of the "survivors", they often say something in a way that doesn't ring true. There was one I cannot find anymore of a blond woman and two teenagers... everyone seemed to be lying in that video-- it was on corriere.it but it seems they removed it. (Then again other images of the survivors seem believable enough, like these ones: http://www.corriere.it/gallery/cronache ... 74.shtml#1)

@brianv: according to the official Costa page, here: http://www.costacruise.com/usa/costa_concordia.html (where it also says that the ship "is a temple") these are the numbers on board:

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3,000 passengers + 1,100 personnel... :P

@ewing, thanks for the links & hints, especially the forum discussion about this article on SeaNews turkey: http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCID ... nal-error/

However, in a distance 7-8 nautical miles from the Channel between the island and the mainland of Italy, the ship made a course alteration, up to 20 degrees by altering the course to 20 degrees to port side,, This course alteration has no sense, because it obviously made the vessel heading to the Giglio Island. Lets make an estimate: The ships bridge wanted to give a close berth to the Island.. There is no othher explanation. We cannot talk about a rudder failure since ship seems steering good. Made a good course change.


with detail map of the horrible in-between rocks passage made by the Concordia (the rocks are named "le scole"):

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From http://www.seanews.com.tr/article/ACCID ... nal-error/

as we can see, it happened long before reaching the final position. Why it didn't stop before? If not foul play with complicity of Costa/Carnival, "sabotage" would make sense... but then why the master does not speak about autopilot failure or something? why blame it on the maps?
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