Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby CitronBleu on June 11th, 2017, 11:27 pm

Thank you Simon and Nonho for these encouraging words - largely appreciated and which I send back to you and to all contributors who’s honest and honorable journalistic research aims to better understand this confusing world of ours.

aa5 » June 11th, 2017, 4:31 pm wrote:One question I have is if these 'attacks' made all these people stronger, smarter and happier people.. then why do they need state compensation?

That's an excellent observation, aa5 - France's unique yet murky 'terror victim State compensation fund’ is financed by what is popularly known as the terror tax, a €6.50 yearly contribution levied on all auto, home, and life-insurance policies. With 86 million insurance policies in France, that makes up a lot of dough, and a vast nation of fools (including yours truly).

The terror victim compensation fund is called the FGTI (the Fonds de garantie des victimes des actes de terrorisme et d'autres infractions - Guarantee fund for victims of terrorist and other criminal acts), established initially in 1986 as the Fonds Terrorisme (Terrorism Fund). In 1990 terror victims were given the status of war casualties in French law. The FGTI aims to offer ‘full compensation’ to terror victims and includes graded payments for physical as well as psychological wounds (for example terror-related anxiety).

This fund is unique in the world. Israel, for example, only reimburses medical expenses while in the English-speaking world terror victims are aided through public donation programs alone.

How much money can a victim expect to receive ?

The €1.4 billion FGTI offers up to €52,000 for « a victim suffering from light wounds and moderate psychological complications » and up to €900,000 for « a victim suffering from severe and debilitating wounds. »

Payment gradients are also calculated based on loss of professional work income and offer payments to victims’ families (for example a mother who lost a son may receive up to €45,000).

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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby aa5 on June 12th, 2017, 8:36 pm

Well they certainly are thinking ahead, with 1.2 billion Euros they must be building up a fund.. at 5% return a year that fund would already be able to pay 60 million Euros a year in compensation. In addition 86 million insurance policies * 6.50 Euros = ~550 million Euros annual levy. Since it started 3 decades ago I would have to say they have been quite prolific in paying out already. (Unless the annual levy markedly increased in recent years).

If there was that fund in an Anglo-Saxon country, 90% of people within a 20 mile radius of the terrorist attack would be traumatized and unable to work for life.
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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby CitronBleu on June 12th, 2017, 11:37 pm

^^^^^ the annual levy has been increased several times in recent years.

The FTGI fund recognizes (since 2017) two new terror-attack related victim conditions termed situational anxiety prejudices defined for the direct victim as « an acute feeling of distress » caused by « the awareness of one’s own mortality when faced with imminent death » and of « the feeling of anguish and uncertainty as to the victim’s fate » in the case of close family members.

Anyone who was present in the close vicinity of an attack who suffers from forms of post-stress or anxiety can now claim compensation.

You can download the two claim forms on the Terror Fund’s website. Complete and mail the forms to the listed address to make a claim. The FGTI website insists « provisional payments » will be transferred to the victim’s bank account within three months of date of mailing.

Claimants need not be French nationals but must have been present at the location of the terror attack. Claimants also have up to ten (10) years to submit a claim starting from the date the attack occurred.

Here are several recent examples quoted in the 2015 FGTI online news letter of actual victim compensation payments made out :

(http://www.guydelcourt.fr/pdf/newsletter_terrorisme.pdf)

Mr W., 57 years-old : very light wounds, no permanent physical wounds but persistance of mild psychological complications : €52,000 ;

Ms X., 25 years-old : serious and debilitating physical wounds : €900,000 ;

Mr Y., 38 years-old : deceased abroad in a terror attack, 1 wife, 3 minor children : €765,000 (including €550,000 for economic prejudice) ;

Ms Z., 29 years-old : kidnapped and sequestered as a hostage abroad : €140,000.

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Forms in English are available here :

http://www.fondsdegarantie.fr/actes-terrorisme-situation-3

Form for direct victim claim :

terrorism_victim_compensation_claims_form.pdf

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Form for close family member(s) claim :

terrorism_victims_beneficiary_compensation_claim_form_ok.pdf

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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby CitronBleu on June 13th, 2017, 1:25 am

More smiling memes in random witness testimonies from survivors of the 13 November 2015 Paris massacres.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpjc_H_H4Ps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEFalY20DYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EufkPh_KEhY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmWO33v9xaM&t=237s

screen snapshots from short online media video interviews (2 to 10 minutes) :

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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby aa5 on June 13th, 2017, 4:00 am

It reminds me of the car insurance industry that has grown so much. With the great advances in the last few decades in car safety and roadway designs, there has been a very substantial decline in the number of people who are killed or seriously wounded(like needing ER treatment) in car accidents.

But the payments for people involved in accidents keeps rising. There is a whole industry of lawyers, doctors, insurance estimators, negotiators who make their living in this new industry. While it might seem that the insurers are on the side of limiting damages, in the long run they are on the side of increasing payouts. More and bigger payouts means people need to carry more insurance, thus pay the insurance companies more money to insure against greater financial risks.

The people who are employed in this FGTI will want raises, promotions, a bigger and more prominent head office building, new jobs to set up their friends in, and so forth.
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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby nonhocapito on June 17th, 2017, 4:59 pm

CitronBleu » 13 Jun 2017, 03:37 wrote:^^^^^ the annual levy has been increased several times in recent years.

The FTGI fund recognizes (since 2017) two new terror-attack related victim conditions termed situational anxiety prejudices defined for the direct victim as « an acute feeling of distress » caused by « the awareness of one’s own mortality when faced with imminent death » and of « the feeling of anguish and uncertainty as to the victim’s fate » in the case of close family members.


This stuff is crazy... in Italy we have of course similar treatment for the victims of terrorism.Your research reminded me of a trail we followed years ago, trying in vain to assess the number of Italian victims of 9/11 (this thread)...

I got in touch back then with the president of the italian association of victims of terrorism; on their website is a list of the legislative measures in favor of the relatives of the victims, including pension and tax privileges. This package might be there as a reward to the people we see smiling on the news, as they act out the part of relatives of terror... but in my opinion this is not necessarily the case. The money either is never given out, or it is channeled to fund more fakery. Never forget that all these people are nothing but agents/actors, chumps who obey orders and retire early in privilege, yes -- but I don't see them at the core of the conspiracy, handling the money trails... they are just useful idiots.

If I reread what I wrote back then I must say that my approach was really animated by incredible naivety considering that I actually believed the guy in that seat could have been legit. Nothing came out of that, as the president of AVITER dropped out of sight... only leaving us with the incredible statement that the U.S. government had forbidden to the Italian government to broadcast the names of the 10+27 (or whatever number) of Italians killed on 9/11. To this day the number and the list of names are unclear. Actually about this there's been a development, more on this on the other thread.
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Re: Paris 'Bataclan Terror' - Friday November 13, 2015

Postby CitronBleu on December 5th, 2017, 1:09 am

« It creates a moral prejudice towards the victims : we ask ourselves if it’s true or not, and that is unacceptable. »

Aurélie Coviaux, attorney for several victims of the 13 November 2015 Paris attacks, LCL interview, 2 December 2017, discussing the Cédric Rey case, https://www.lci.fr/justice/cedric-r-fausse-victime-du-bataclan-condamne-a-6-mois-ferme-je-m-etais-trop-enfonce-dans-mes-mensonges-2072196.html


On Friday 2 December 2017, Cédric Rey, a 29 year-old paramedic and ex-fireman, was found guilty by a criminal court near Paris and given a six-month prison term « for posing as a victim of the november 2015 terrorist attack on the Bataclan and attempting to collect compensation from the FGTI [the tax-financed terrorism fund designed to provide financial assistance to victims of terrorism attacks]. »

http://www.france24.com/en/20171201-france-bataclan-paris-terrorism-attacks-charlatan-suspected-fake-terror-survivor-trial

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The AFP posted an interview of Rey in front of the Bataclan, which was uploaded to their youtube channel on 16 Feburary 2016 and which is (still) up [in English]:


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdgaL5YDeGQ

More segments of Rey’s interviews [in French] are available at the following links :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3sf0dj

and

http://www.gettyimages.fr/detail/vidéo/cedric-rey-is-a-survivor-the-27-year-old-was-at-the-film-dactualité/510770046

I am not sure how to go about this story : how do we fit a criminal conviction for posing as a terror victim with the general suspicion of media fakery, which must surely involve the judicial system itself ? Was Cedric Rey a deranged impostor who chose to pretend to be a terror victim/witness and succeeded in integrating himself into the purported terror victim community ? or were other factors at work ?

According to media « police became suspicious when they discovered Rey had never made a complaint to them. They traced his whereabouts on the night of the attack using his mobile phone data. [The data] put Rey 30km from the Bataclan when the attack started. Police also discovered there were no pregnant women among the victims of the Bataclan attack. »

Cédric Rey offered many details to the media about his ordeal in the days following the 13 November attack (including to such news agencies as Le Monde, Libération, Le Parisien, BFM-TV, and Agence France-Presse), in taped interviews in front of the Bataclan as well as at his home (a three-hour interview given to Libération of which only segments are available online), and on Facebook.

According to Rey’s testimony, the paramedic had been drinking a half-pint of Carslburg beer at the Bataclan’s terrace with two friends when the attack occurred.

Rey explained « he wanted to be part of it » and upon hearing about the attack in the news « jumped into his car and drove to the Bataclan, » arriving « at the moment the police stormed the club. »

During the following two weeks Rey stalked the crime scene, meeting the day after the attack « a true victim, » Nahomy Beuchet Carrera, 19, another survivor who would also have herself tattooed to commemorate the attack. Rey asked her : « you were there too ? »

For two nights « they circled the surrounding area like zombies, lighting candles everywhere. » Rey later began to attend victims’ group associations.

Rey had himself tattooed a Marianne (symbolizing France) with a blood tear on a background depicting the Bataclan, in a gesture imitating several other victims/witnesses, was active in victims’ groups (such as Life for Paris), hosted survivors in his home and even attended « therapy cocktail hours » in Paris pubs.

Some of Rey’s detailed media accounts about the terror attack :

Rey « watched the jihadists enter the nightclub but did not notice their weapons » and « felt guilty he had not attempted to call the cops earlier. »

Since the attack, Rey had « that damn voice of the cops’ answering machine stuck in his head. »

Rey stated, concerning the sound of gunfire, that « it doesn’t sound like firecrackers, like many have said - it’s a lot sharper, like a snare drum. »

Rey recalled « that guy who took two bullets in his left leg » and to whom he had applied first aid. Rey went on to state « he did not want to know what had happened to him » because « if I learned he lost his leg it would really affect me to know what little I attempted to do that night was pointless. »

Rey discussed applying pressure to the injured man’s wound outside the concert hall : « when I lifted my head, I saw a guy in front of the entrance of the Bataclan turn around … his Kalashnikov was slung across his shoulder and it was pointed at me - at that very moment, a woman crossed between us, running: she took the bullets. » Rey described the women as pregnant, a detail which he claimed came back to haunt him.

Rey remembered the pregnant woman’s « thick blond hair » and « noticed the thickness of her eyewear frames. »

Rey also described the haunting image of a man in front of the emergency exit « who turned left, then right … at one point he folded his leg, and it’s as if I could see his soul leave his body … you watch him move, then you suddenly realise he’s dead, just like in the movies. »

To an interviewer collecting his testimony, Rey stated, pointing towards orange-colored spots on his trousers : « these are the Bataclan pants : you can still see the blood stains. »

During victims’ « therapy cocktail hours » Rey remembered « crying, laughing sometimes » as with « the woman hanging from the Bataclan window » [as watched in the Psenny video footage analyzed in earlier posts] who, according to Rey, joked claiming she was now « an expert in hooking up Christmas tree decorations. »

http://www.sudouest.fr/2016/01/15/cedric-rescape-du-bataclan-a-cette-femme-qui-a-pris-des-balles-pour-moi-2243798-6155.php

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Nahomy Beuchet and her 13 November 2015 Bataclan tattoo (« 13/11/2015 - peace - death metal » )

Other purported november 2015 Paris terror attack victims and their commemorative tattoos can be seen at the following link [in French] :

http://www.lavoixdunord.fr/258363/article/2017-11-04/rescapes-des-attentats-de-paris-ils-se-sont-tatoues-pour-avancer#

These strange terror-related media incidents are not new. In an earlier post I discussed the case of alleged 2016 Nice Bastille attack terror victim Timothé Fournier, initially revealed by the AFP news agency and later exposed by the same media to be entirely fabricated (leading the AFP director for information, Michèle Léridon, to issue a public apology while claiming the misidentification was caused by sloppy journalism).

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2016/07/27/timothe-fournier-heros-victime-attentat-de-nice-fake_n_11215490.html

Another bizarre case, also concerning the Nice Bastille attack, was that of alleged ex-attorney Corentin Delobel to the terrorist perpetrator Lahouaiej-Bouhlel. Delobel appeared in several taped media interviews in the days following the attack claiming he had been the perpetrator’s attorney before Delobel was exposed as never having met Lahouaiej.

http://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/Un-avocat-se-faisait-passer-pour-le-conseil-du-terroriste-de-Nice-798247

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A recent case, connected to the 2015 Bataclan attack, is that of Dany Machado who, a few days ago on France’s La France a un incroyable talent, a TV singing talent show followed by millions, composed and performed a song about « his friend Alexandre killed in the Bataclan attack. » In the days following the 23 November show, Dany Machado’s friend ‘Alexandre’ was revealed to have never existed and to be a complete fabrication out of Machado’s prolific imagination.

http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2017/11/27/dany-machado-candidat-de-la-france-a-un-incroyable-talent-admet-je-nai-pas-vraiment-perdu-damis-au-bataclan_a_23289418/

Dany Machado’s compelling yet mendacious performance can be watched and listened to in the below video, segment 54:35-01:01:40, amid tears and the expression of unbridled grief (and a standing ovation at 59:25).


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJRgw4N6vew

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There have also been (expected) attempts to obtain money from the terrorism fund by other individuals trying to pass off as false witnesses/victims, nevertheless none to the extent of Cédric Rey who appeared continuously in the media and participated in victims’ associations.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/faits-diver ... tor=RSS-3-[lestitres]

Representatives of victims’ associations and the FGTI terrorism fund reacted strongly to the revelations of false witnesses/victims :

Georges Salines, president of a victims’ association, denounced the attempts « as disgusting. »

The president of the association Fraternité et Vérité castigated the impostors « for requiring authentic victims to fight to prove they were present at the scene, » while deploring « the victims who faced additional suspicion as a consequence of the actions of the usurpers. »

https://www.actupolitique.info/besoin-de-reconnaissance-appat-du-gain-pourquoi-des-affabulateurs-se-sont-fait-passer-pour-des-victimes-dattentats/

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An illustration from Libération illustrating the false witness/victim issue, http://www.liberation.fr/france/2017/11/14/13-novembre-itineraire-mensonger-d-une-victime-imaginaire_1610111

If you replaced in the above quote listed in red at the top of the post the word ‘victim’ with that of ‘witness’ (which is what these individuals ought to be considered), then the meaning of the quote becomes clear : the function of testimonial evidence is meant to be questioned ; that of witness suffering is not. The blurring of the lines between the two result in the impossibility to question and thus, in term, to seek justice.

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Other November 2015 Paris attack witnesses & victims :

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