OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[traumabasedmindcontr]

... The facebook part cannot be trusted because the source could be (and I think it is) really a prank-facebook page, and it is quite dangerous to take it for an actual facebook page that was posted there...

Good point! The upcoming "trial" will pretty much have to - somehow - discuss the "Manifesto". One might hope that it will also touch on "Breiviks" Facebook- and Twitter accounts.

[Kentrailer]

I don't think they are necessarily to be believed, as they could be hoaxes or pranks. The facebook account with music links seems to me in fact completely fake (but not media-fake, just prank-fake): in any case it should be considered as such, because there is no serious source for it.

Non- If you do a quick search of his manifesto, he mentions those specific trance artist that he links to on the facebook page- it's near the bottom of the manifesto.. That was supposed to be "one of his two accounts" that "he" mentions in the Manifesto.
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Simon- Funny you should ask me about The Populist. I was actually contacted by the guy who owns the website. I told him he had permission to use my videos, but he should make sure it was clear I wasn't associated with the site:

Here is a message I received from the Populist (4/03/2012):

"Hello SanLuisSkywatch;

This is ___ _______. I am the owner, editor, and main writer for The Populist - http://thepopulist.net I am also a huge fan of yours, and a no-planer. I have a new section - (a new category of posts really), called Hollywood 9/11.

This section has posts and videos relating to all the fake video that the zionists are putting out. The new videos are from you and Ed Chiarini. But I also have a compilation of work pertaining to 9/11. Here is the first part: http://thepopulist.net/2010/11/26/hollywood-911/

Also, I've seen your recent posts about shills debunking the no-plane theory. I have a post that is a damn good primer on the subject. It discusses the "kosher" 9/11 truth movement, and the insults against the no-planers. I think you might be interested in this post: http://thepopulist.net/2010/05/18/there ... e-truth-3/"

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I sent him this message:

I am extremely flattered that you are a fan!

I am not a huge fan of Eds however- as he has made a number of claims I cannot get behind.

Make sure you make note that I am not affiliated with the site, nor Ed.

Also, try and use Zionist, instead of Jew, so you don't sound racist.

take care.

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Got this back:

"I agree that Ed Chiarini is flakey at best. But he nailed the alleged Giffords shooting, the fake occupy demonstrators, and did you see his comparison of Napolitano and that "zionist" activist? That was very scary.

I certainly don't post every video he has, or agree with many of his assertions. As for the Sarah Palin video... What is your take on that child? It is the truther girl's child. So what is he doing with Palin? I don't follow every conclusion in that video, but I think he is on to something."

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Sent him this:

"The section is cool- It looks good... however.. Ed Chiarini said that "Truther girl Sonia was Sarah Palin, and also Tina Fey.. I mean, come on Scott! I can't get behind that!

Please, make sure to vet some of these people more."

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That has been the extent of my contact with The Populist in its entirety.

[fbenario]

I knew as soon as it was published that Breivik's manifesto was based in very large part on the Unabomber's manifesto. I didn't bother posting my conclusion because I thought it was obvious to everyone. Maybe it was just obvious to me because, being in America, there was a lot of very detailed excerpting going on here when Unabomber's was published that I actually wasted time reading.

My apologies for not posting my thoughts on this way back when.

EDIT: A much, much, much better manifesto, and one of my very most favorite songs by them.

Hold out when you're in doubt
Question what you see
And when you find an answer
Bring it home to me

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjkVYOArUQM

[MsQ]

... The facebook part cannot be trusted because the source could be (and I think it is) really a prank-facebook page, and it is quite dangerous to take it for an actual facebook page that was posted there...

Good point! The upcoming "trial" will pretty much have to - somehow - discuss the "Manifesto". One might hope that it will also touch on "Breiviks" Facebook- and Twitter accounts.

Guardian article by Camilla Ragfors: Norway attacks: Breivik was my friend on Facebook. I've seen what fed his hatred

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ook-hatred

There are many people like me – Danes, Swedes, Norwegians, and other Europeans – who had this person as a friend on Facebook. I wonder how they feel now.

Hmmmm...

Apparently Breiviks posts on Stormfront (white nationalist community,) have been deleted too. I haven't looked too deeply into this, I just saw a reference from the site whilst doing an image search. I also noticed there was speculation there about if Breivik was even a real person too. There are so many posts about him over there I'm not going to search through them to find it - it's not exactly my favourite place on the web!

I wonder if anyone has researched anti-fascist sources to see if there is any background info / Pre 2011 info on Breivik? Some of these groups are extremely thorough with keeping tabs on the extremist community.

[Kentrailer]

I really hope that everybody here looks into the manifesto more.. It's pathetic!!

Page 12:

How it all began - Political Correctness is Cultural Marxism

Most Europeans look back on the 1950s as a good time. Our homes were safe, to the point where many people did not bother to lock their doors. Public schools were generally excellent, and their problems were things like talking in class and running in the halls. Most men treated women like ladies, and most ladies devoted their time and effort to making good homes, rearing their children well and helping their communities through volunteer work. Children grew up in two–parent households, and the mother was there to meet the child when he came home from school. Entertainment was something the whole family could enjoy.
What happened?

If a man of the 1950s were suddenly introduced into Western Europe in the 2000s, he would hardly recognise it as the same country. He would be in immediate danger of getting mugged, carjacked or worse, because he would not have learned to live in constant fear. He would not know that he shouldn‘t go into certain parts of the city, that his car must not only be locked but equipped with an alarm, that he dare not go to sleep at night without locking the windows and bolting the doors – and setting the electronic security system.
If he brought his family with

Most people would "ass"ume that Breivik wrote this.. but nope..

That is straight from http://alettertothetimes.wordpress.com/ ... -a-primer/ (2009) The Frankfurt School and Cultural Marxism: A Primer

March 11, 2009 by Cassandra Goldman


If you keep reading, and pasting into Google- oftentimes, there will be several pages of other sites quoting his manifesto, but if you persist, you will usually find a website from two or three years ago that wrote the material.

Many multiple pages of directly plagiarized material in a row can be found over and over and over again. This didn't take 9 years to write, probably more like 9 days.

What is not directly copy and pasted from other websites (which isn't much) there are some funny stories that appear to be original (written by some shill)

I haven't counted, but in the entire 1,516 page document, very few pages of "original material" are in there. There are many pages that are just blank- long lists of nonsense, such as materials found on a farm. Many bizarre stories, such as his sister getting banged by 15 Chippendale's dancers and getting Chlamydia and his mom being a STD ridden.

It's so laughable it hurts at times.

[simonshack]

* Thanks Kentrailer for your replies/clarifications.


SUPREME COURT REJECTS APPEAL FOR TV COVERAGE OF BREIVIK COURTCASE

Sheesh, folks... these last weeks there's been an endless, lame hullabaloo about whether ABB's courtcase should be televised - or not.

Read all about it here: http://attackonthelaborparty.wordpress. ... -rejected/

Please note this paragraph - extracted from the above-linked web page:
"Due to the decision by the court to reserve almost all seats in the courtroom for the press and victims and their relatives, the Oslo District Court has broken with the tradition common in democracies in which regular citizens have the right to follow court cases in person in their entirety in order to ensure that judges follow the law and that trials are fair."

How surprising, huh? So Breivik's courtcase will - in other words - exceptionally unfold BEHIND CLOSED DOORS (with only a select bunch of press people and "victims' relatives") AND WITH NO TV COVERAGE. The farcical TV-coverage controversy apparently reached the Supreme Court which - we are told today - has definitively rejected it (the appeal in support of TV coverage being allowed):

"Samtidig har Høyesterett avvist medienes anke over tingrettens beslutning om å ikke tillate overføring av Anders Behring Breiviks forklaring på TV."
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 4g-PdluqSo

The General Secretary of the Norwegian Press Association is on the record lamenting that...
"Sånn man gjør i diktaturer"
( "Like one does in dictatorships" )
...or, more appropriately translated: "This is the stuff of dictatorships!"
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks ... 4g7gdluqSo

Yet, the caption for this picture says:

"Plassen foran tinghuset er i ferd med å bli fylt opp av TV-busser, provisoriske studioer og milevis med kabler."
"The plaza in front of the Courthouse is being filled up with TV-buses, provisional studios and miles of cables."

Poor, poor Norway...

[Heiwa]

And, not to forget, all windows of the court room will be blocked by curtains so that no outsider can look in on the show, that will start Tuesday 17 April and go on for two weeks, etc, etc.
But I still think ABB will commit suicide on Sunday or Monday, latest ... and spoil the show.

[simonshack]

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Tonite, I posted a little comment under this Aftenposten article: http://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/kron ... 4h5a9luqSq



The article, authored by one Atle Dyregrov - 'a psychologist of the center for crisis-psychology',
basically goes on about "how the Norwegian people will handle the psychological stress of the upcoming Breivik trial"...
Of course, It also provides 'expert advice' about how people should tackle all this - and how parents should oversee their children...blablala...

ATLE DYREGROV ( literal translation of "Dyregrov" = "Animalgross" )

At one stage in his article, Atle writes:
"Some will act angry, some will act sad. Some will crack jokes about it to make it less scary, others will try to wipe it all away and not think about it."

So my comment to Atle Dyregrov's article goes:

Atle writes: "Some will act angry, some will act sad. Some will crack jokes
about it to make it less scary, others will try to wipe it all away and not think about it."

Yes - and some know full well that it's all a media circus, a sad and disgusting 'psyop'
(psychological operation) that's playing out before the easily fooled Norwegian people.

[link to this thread]

Seems like I struck a chord with the Aftenposten readers: the viewcount of this thread has increased by 1500 units in the last hour or so!

[nonhocapito]

Simon- Funny you should ask me about The Populist. I was actually contacted by the guy who owns the website. I told him he had permission to use my videos, but he should make sure it was clear I wasn't associated with the site:

Here is a message I received from the Populist (4/03/2012):

"Hello SanLuisSkywatch;

This is ___ _______. I am the owner, editor, and main writer for The Populist - http://thepopulist.net I am also a huge fan of yours, and a no-planer. I have a new section - (a new category of posts really), called Hollywood 9/11.

This section has posts and videos relating to all the fake video that the zionists are putting out. The new videos are from you and Ed Chiarini. But I also have a compilation of work pertaining to 9/11. Here is the first part: http://thepopulist.net/2010/11/26/hollywood-911/

Also, I've seen your recent posts about shills debunking the no-plane theory. I have a post that is a damn good primer on the subject. It discusses the "kosher" 9/11 truth movement, and the insults against the no-planers. I think you might be interested in this post: http://thepopulist.net/2010/05/18/there ... e-truth-3/"

So, "the populist" is a "fan" of Kentrailer, and has even bothered to contact you personally to ask if he can use your video. But also, evidently, to use your text, that he copies entirely, putting your signature to entire posts:

http://thepopulist.net/?s=sanluisskywatch

The first video posted on "the populist" from "sanluisskywatch" AKA Kentrailer, in a post signed by the same, was uploaded the same day as the post itself, and the same day he allegedly contacted you too. How could he "be a fan" of a video that has been uploaded the very same day he contacted you? How could that be "the whole extent" of your communication with this unnamed person, if he used a video you posted on that very same day? How could these posts not be created by you directly, or at least with your collaboration and approval each time?

I don't even think that the exchange you posted is real, sorry.

For reference, here is an infamous post from "the populist" about "Ed Chiarini" and clearly meant to undermine the Cluesforum:
http://thepopulist.net/2012/02/27/whos- ... -chiarini/

And here the same person barely mentioning September Clues, using these words:

These videos were made by a man who identifies himself on the internet as “Simonshack”. His website is September Clues.info, and he also has a YouTube video channel. The first two videos are “September clues”; a two-part series that analyses the network broadcasts from the morning of September 11th 2001. The next three videos analyse the “amateur” videos that were broadcast later.

If no planes hit the Twin Towers, then the alleged passengers on those flights could not have died in the inferno. They either died somewhere else, they’re still alive, or they never existed in the first place. For information about the “vicsims” of September 11th, see Hollywood 9/11; “Honoring the Vicsims”.

Recently, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, (NIST), was forced to release thousands of photographs, and hours of video taken at ground zero on 9/11. This new evidence corroborates the no-plane theory. For more information on these new videos, please see Hollywood 9/11: Addendum.

http://thepopulist.net/2010/11/26/hollywood-911/

As you can see, "the populist" even appropriates the use of the words "vicsims" and "addendum", used by September Clues, in the effort to confuse and hijack the research. And in all this, I am supposed to believe that this website is merely a "fan" of your videos, Kentrailer (which are, sorry, vastly inferior in impact, relevance and quality of the research to Simon's), and DallasGoldBug's of all people (pure disinfo drivel), but never felt obliged to ask Simon how he would feel if his videos were used, let alone telling him that he is a "huge fan" of his.

SORRY BUT I DON'T BUY IT.

[fbenario]

Seems like I struck a chord with the Aftenposten readers: the viewcount of this thread has increased by 1500 units in the last hour or so!

Where on the Mint web-stats page is this 1500 number?

[nonhocapito]

Seems like I struck a chord with the Aftenposten readers: the viewcount of this thread has increased by 1500 units in the last hour or so!

Where on the Mint web-stats page is this 1500 number?

Mint is a "fresh" statistical interface, in most areas it counts and compares hits only from recent visits. Here I think Simon refers to the viewcount showing on the forum page, here: http://cluesforum.info/viewforum.php?f=24
This thread counts 197,258 views as I write. I haven't been keeping watch, but the page cached by google last (on April 9th) registers 183,620 views (14,000~ less). For comparison the thread about London, not visible in picture, has merely 600 views less!


From http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... en&ct=clnk (until it lasts)

[Heiwa]

Here is some more ABB nonsense in Swedish about the big Oslo show coming up: http://www.svd.se/nyheter/utrikes/breiv ... 054357.svd
The article supports the Norwegian defence lawyers to participate in the show, blah, blah, nonsense.
But ... calm down! The show will close next week. ABB will (or whatever) commit SUICIDE! Only 48 hrs left!

[Kentrailer]

Simon- Funny you should ask me about The Populist. I was actually contacted by the guy who owns the website. I told him he had permission to use my videos, but he should make sure it was clear I wasn't associated with the site:

Here is a message I received from the Populist (4/03/2012):

"Hello SanLuisSkywatch;

This is ___ _______. I am the owner, editor, and main writer for The Populist - http://thepopulist.net I am also a huge fan of yours, and a no-planer. I have a new section - (a new category of posts really), called Hollywood 9/11.

This section has posts and videos relating to all the fake video that the zionists are putting out. The new videos are from you and Ed Chiarini. But I also have a compilation of work pertaining to 9/11. Here is the first part: http://thepopulist.net/2010/11/26/hollywood-911/

Also, I've seen your recent posts about shills debunking the no-plane theory. I have a post that is a damn good primer on the subject. It discusses the "kosher" 9/11 truth movement, and the insults against the no-planers. I think you might be interested in this post: http://thepopulist.net/2010/05/18/there ... e-truth-3/"

So, "the populist" is a "fan" of Kentrailer, and has even bothered to contact you personally to ask if he can use your video. But also, evidently, to use your text, that he copies entirely, putting your signature to entire posts:

http://thepopulist.net/?s=sanluisskywatch

The first video posted on "the populist" from "sanluisskywatch" AKA Kentrailer, in a post signed by the same, was uploaded the same day as the post itself, and the same day he allegedly contacted you too. How could he "be a fan" of a video that has been uploaded the very same day he contacted you? How could that be "the whole extent" of your communication with this unnamed person, if he used a video you posted on that very same day? How could these posts not be created by you directly, or at least with your collaboration and approval each time?

I don't even think that the exchange you posted is real, sorry.

For reference, here is an infamous post from "the populist" about "Ed Chiarini" and clearly meant to undermine the Cluesforum:
http://thepopulist.net/2012/02/27/whos- ... -chiarini/

And here the same person barely mentioning September Clues, using these words:

These videos were made by a man who identifies himself on the internet as “Simonshack”. His website is September Clues.info, and he also has a YouTube video channel. The first two videos are “September clues”; a two-part series that analyses the network broadcasts from the morning of September 11th 2001. The next three videos analyse the “amateur” videos that were broadcast later.

If no planes hit the Twin Towers, then the alleged passengers on those flights could not have died in the inferno. They either died somewhere else, they’re still alive, or they never existed in the first place. For information about the “vicsims” of September 11th, see Hollywood 9/11; “Honoring the Vicsims”.

Recently, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, (NIST), was forced to release thousands of photographs, and hours of video taken at ground zero on 9/11. This new evidence corroborates the no-plane theory. For more information on these new videos, please see Hollywood 9/11: Addendum.

http://thepopulist.net/2010/11/26/hollywood-911/

As you can see, "the populist" even appropriates the use of the words "vicsims" and "addendum", used by September Clues, in the effort to confuse and hijack the research. And in all this, I am supposed to believe that this website is merely a "fan" of your videos, Kentrailer (which are, sorry, vastly inferior in impact, relevance and quality of the research to Simon's), and DallasGoldBug's of all people (pure disinfo drivel), but never felt obliged to ask Simon how he would feel if his videos were used, let alone telling him that he is a "huge fan" of his.

SORRY BUT I DON'T BUY IT.

Honestly Non- I am not the guy who made that site, nor associated with him. I asked him to make it clear I was not associated with the site because I noticed the same thing- I will go ahead and screencapture video it for you.. I'm sure even that won't make you happy.. Nor any of the research I've done.. or anything really.. You just don't like me.

[Kentrailer]

Here you go Non.. I'm sure it's not enough still..


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVZ8777RCII

Can I see the inside of your 0 video YouTube account now?

So your proof that I'm somehow associated with the Populist (which I'm not) is because he linked to my video the same day I posted it?.. Not the most compelling evidence ever. "How could he "be a fan" of a video that has been uploaded the very same day he contacted you?"...

How? Maybe it's because he has subscribed to my channel?

You know, I consider myself a little bit of an investigative reporter, and when you constantly show your sources you lose people's trust.. So, by doing this, you're making me look like a snitch- which I'm sure you don't mind, but people will not share things with me.

That said- Why are you spending so much time looking into me, and so little looking into whether the entire Breivik Manifesto is plagiarized? Do you have a beef with me about my belief about weather modification Nonhocapito? I know you still say chemtrails aren't real

[MrSinclair]

It seems that our man in Oslo is living it up in prison. SIMpl y having a wonderful time.
I was however sad to read that while he is allowed to have visitors none have shown up.

"
Today, as he has every day for the past eight months, Anders Behring Breivik will sit down to a wholesome breakfast of porridge or home-made brown bread served with either cheese or ham, and a jug of black coffee.

And, as he has every day since his arrest, he will eat alone.

The man responsible for Norway’s most notorious mass murder is kept apart from the other inmates in Ila, a former Nazi concentration camp turned high-security prison. If they could get near him they might kill him."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ation.html