OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[goodpeople]

Here is one confirmed real person. I have personally met her, when I visited Utøya 4 years ago.



https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hvil-i-f ... 2480770573

I'll continue to search for real's and sim's.

Find out the funeral arrangements.

[Tufa]

I have looked a while on this:

Car bomb damage, ladies and gentlemen!

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/oslo ... 60546.html

In reverse of what is expected, the litter-density is at max on centre of the explosion. This fact alone basically kill the entire story! I have three sources of film, and the litter seems to match, but non of the video make sense. I'll suspect a rendering, but cannot show it at this point.

The explosion was not very strong, even if all damage is real, as windows in line-of sight of the bomb is not broken. The "Hole" can be seen on one video, but can not be ruled out as being inserted; our original video photographer simply didn't walk to the hole. If you can imagine that!

To make a hole in the concrete, in real world, a very strong explosion had to be used. It must also burn quickly, so this put a limit of the type of explosive, but I cannot asses if this contradicts a fertiliser-bomb in a pressure container.


There is a space below the ground level; you have seen the ventilators.


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[SimonJCP]

-- the "William Rodriguez" of Norway?

The man who had suddenly become a hero pours himself a beer and lights a cigarette. He only managed one or two hours of sleep the night before and he looks tired. It is the day after the massacre at the Norwegian youth camp on Utøya Island. The suspected perpetrator, Anders Behring B. cold-bloodedly shot down 85 people on the previous day -- but dozens were able to flee by jumping into the water and swimming towards the mainland.

It is 24 hours since Marcel Gleffe became a key figure in pulling many of these young camp goers out of the water. Thirty-two years old, Gleffe is a roofer from Germany who has worked in Norway for the past two-and-a-half years. Currently, he is vacationing at a campground in Utvika together with his parents Walter and Heidrun. The campground is directly across from the island where the massacre took place.

He takes a deep drag on his cigarette and begins to tell his story. It was a chilly late afternoon on Friday and the Gleffe family had just sat down for coffee at the table in front of their RV. They were talking about the attack that had just taken place in Oslo , about the bomb and the several people it had killed. A neighbor at the campground had told them of the shocking attack .

Suddenly, they heard a hollow bang. First just one or two, "but then it was an entire salvo," says Heidrun, 53. They saw dark smoke rise up from the island. "I said to my husband, 'come on, lets go down to the jetty, we have to see what happened." Maybe it was some fireworks, they thought, or some sort of exercise.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 87,00.html

--Gleffe "pulled people out of the water" like Rodriguez "pulled people out of" an elevator.
--Gleffe was 32 years old, the same age as Breivik. While Gleffe was the hero, Breivik was the "villain".
--Gleffe was near the island because he was vacationing in the area at the time (coinci-dense).
--Gleffe's mother initially thought that the shots fired may have been part of a training drill.

In many ways, Gleffe is a star witness for the official version. As soon as he stared into a telescope to check out what was happening, he saw "Breivik":

But Marcel did. "I just acted," he says. He saw more and more people jumping into the water from the rocks on the shore and looked through a telescope at the island. Suddenly, he saw the attacker, squatting on a rock with his weapon raised. Eyewitnesses later said that he also shot at those who had already managed to jump into the water.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/eur ... 87,00.html

He told Der Spiegel that he used a telescope. He told The Telegraph that he used binoculars:

Mr Gleffe, who lives in Ski, south of Oslo, took the keys to his boat and raced down to the water.

He threw life jackets out to the young people as they shouted: "Are you police, are you police?". Some told him that the gunman was a police officer as others yelled "terrorist, terrorist, terrorist!".
He plucked as many as he could from the water, steering the boat close to the shore of the island and using his binoculars to search for the gunman.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... lives.html

Also, why does The Telegraph omit that he saw the gunman squatting on the rocks? That is certainly a significant detail.

In TheBlogIsMine, we find a statement that indicates he has some experience with weapons:

Gleffe said that when he heard the sound of shots from Utoeya between 5pm and 6pm on Friday he and his family were drinking coffee outside their caravan and discussing the Oslo bombing.

He commented: “I recognised the sound of the automatic weapon straight away. Then I saw two youths who swam away from the island.”

http://www.theblogismine.com/2011/07/25 ... -30-lives/

Odd -- how did he immediately recognize the sound of automatic fire? This would appear to suggest that he has some kind of military background/training.

[brianv]

Here is one confirmed real person. I have personally met her, when I visited Utøya 4 years ago.



https://www.facebook.com/pages/Hvil-i-f ... 2480770573

I'll continue to search for real's and sim's.

There are currently 2 photographs of this woman on the entire internet!

Facebook


abcnyheter


Good luck with your search!

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Car bombs and craters. I think the jury is still out on that particular nugget!



Yes, you will find lots of car bomb craters in Iraq and other places where the US terrorists are engaged, but I suspect most were created by missiles or artillery and spun...the UN Mission in Baghdad for instance!

[Makkonen]

1. Everything else is in that floor is obliterated, but the walls and the ceiling barely have a scratch. Same with the underpass' walls and ceiling.

2. Is this tube/pipe displaying some "anti-gravity" ability or is it just the angle of the picture (it's still flimsily attached to the concrete, though)?

3. There's debris in quite the distance. Why isn't this big tree showing any signs of damage (admittedly it's quite far away and dimly lit, so hard to tell, but still)? [Actually we may discard this 3rd point, but I'm too lazy to make a new picture for now.]

[goodpeople]

Purpose:

NATO.

We know of NATO's involvement in COLUMBINE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Ew7LGwnWY

Columbine Witness Sees Three Suspects, Not Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHefZGoJz24

Columbine Student Reports Three Gunmen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qM0KucUrRmY

Same time.

1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_NATO_ ... Yugoslavia

Missiles slam into central Belgrade - April 20th 1999
http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04-20/worl ... s=PM:WORLD

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July 2011

2011 military intervention in Libya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_milit ... n_in_Libya

OSLO, Norway (AP) — Norway will scale down its fighter jet contribution in Libya from six to four planes and withdraw completely from the NATO-led operation by Aug. 1, the government said Friday.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/nor ... ion-august

They want Norway to remain in Libya operations, and now they can sign further terror treaties with the US & UK to expand Norway's participation in the "War on Terror" - Norway is a very rich country.

They want Norway to join the EU so they can take control of their resources, take control of their currency and banking regulations so they can drive Norway deep into debt to save the other bankrupt countries.

What better way to do this by expanding the War on Terror to included domestic terror.
Money, Money, Money.

[hoi.polloi]

The issues we raise have been censored on countless "truth movement" sites since they first appeared - sometimes seemingly to specifically target our questions against the media. Don't bullshit us and tell us we are part of the same "truth movement" that belongs to Alex Jones, Nico Haupt, Lets Roll, Loose Change, Michael Moore, A&E 911truth, Judy Wood, Wikileaks or anything else that has done as you do - produce excuse after excuse for the media.

May I ask how Nico Haupt is (was - he quit) a part of the same truth movement that the others listed belonged to?

I don't remember him making any excuses for the media. In fact, he was always very much aggressive toward those who would proclaim that the videos were real.

I was suspicious of his "crazy" displays at one time, and even attacked him publicly for it at 911movement. However, I've come to view it as an energetic, creative form of activism from someone whose sickened and frustrated by both the nature of the world and the "movement" in general. In a way, I admire his work at Ground Zero.

He never skirted around the truth and had a good deal of evidence establishing the connections between key figures in the "movement" and the defense industry. Without Nico, I would not have known that Richard Gage was a former employee of Bechtel.

Could he be feeding me and others gold to lead us into some pit of disinformation? Sure, but what pit of disinformation has he led anyone into? He "retired" from 9/11 research, so if that was his agenda he would have already carried it out.

I haven't seen him lead anyone into anything but NPT. We also should not forget that he was one of the pioneers in that area.

Just so readers understand what you are quoting, my conversation with "goodpeople" was buried a bit.

My personal opinion is that Nico Haupt endorsed too much fake evidence and called it real - including Judy Wood, etc. Many perps directed people's attentions to September Clues and in-depth research out of necessary association to the questions about the strange (fake) media reports. They did their best to create limited hangouts along the way ("pods", "Directed Energy from ISS", "Bush family was framed") but those are not sufficient barriers to the truth, and thankfully you kept searching too. I can be thankful for Loose Change, because without that I might not have ever met Simon, but then -- let's recognize when people are also spewing bullshit and wanting involvement and power in a government-created "movement".

Now let's not stray off-topic anymore please, thanks.

[Beliver]

The list is out.
Dig away non belivers.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

[brianv]

The list is out.
Dig away non belivers.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

The illiterate be-lie-ver troll like creatures have emerged.

[hoi.polloi]

The list is out.
Dig away non belivers.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

It's true, it's all true! I believe it all! Thank you - thank you for showing us the light "beliver"! You're so on top of this story! You must have been there - seen it all with your own eyes - known all of these pictures - I mean, people - personally! Yes, yes, show us the way to the truth ... I want to believe!™

Except, actually ... no. Good bye.



I love the little golf flag that resembles - by coincidence - a computer mouse cursor.

[brianv]

The list is out.
Dig away non belivers.

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

It's true, it's all true! I believe it all! Thank you - thank you for showing us the light "beliver"! You're so on top of this story! You must have been there - seen it all with your own eyes - known all of these pictures - I mean, people - personally! Yes, yes, show us the way to the truth ... I want to believe!™

Except, actually ... no. Good bye.

No no, it wont do! He's a beliver not a believer!

Belief : The cognitive process which leads to convictions !

[RealityCheck]

That picture is not of Kevin Dae Berland.

Where did you found that picture?

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hordaland/1.7730594

A boy that play golf. Good work

[brianv]

That picture is not of Kevin Dae Berland.

Where did you found that picture?

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hordaland/1.7730594

A boy that play golf. Good work

It was on the page that "beliver" posted but it's not there now. There's a girl there now! Maybe the pics are on rotation. I'll look again!

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

Hmm, yes I see. That is weird. Maybe a mistake on the web page that's been corrected!!

I think I should remove the image from my post!!

This photo has taken its place...

[RealityCheck]

That picture is not of Kevin Dae Berland.

Where did you found that picture?

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/hordaland/1.7730594

A boy that play golf. Good work

It was on the page that "beliver" posted but it's not there now. Maybe the pics are on rotation. I'll look again!

http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article5684956.ece

Please try again and don´t come with excuses.

That picture is from another article that is about 9 year old boy that plays golf in Norway.

[RealityCheck]

Isn´t about time to make some good arguments for your case?