OSLO and UTØYA, 7/22 2011

[brianv]

It's a viking battering ram!

My, he was a busy boy!

[nonhocapito]

There are obviously many things that doesnt add up.

Also you have to remember that all the news media are crazy to make the most out of this story.

THAT doesnt mean everything is false.! Be careful not see ghosts on every picture and movie.! A lot of the pictures send out by the news media have of course been altered. That doesnt mean that the events didnt happen.

Remember that Denmark, Norway and Sweden all are small countries and when an amount of people getting killed is at this amount, you will have some one close that have been killed or at least know some that know some.!
This event or these events happened in Norway can NOT be utterly false without the main public to notice it pretty quickly. You are not able to pull off a 9/11 or 7/7 in any of these countries.!!!

The reason why things had to be done different, like the muhammed cartoons and the stupid bomb man in Copenhagen.

Once again - dont see ghosts where there are no ghosts.!
I fully appreciate all the wonderful job done cover the 9/11 and 7/7 and other events. Just keep in mind each country mentioned have less than 10 mill citizens.!!!

Personally I do appreciate caution, but I don't think anyone is seeing ghosts here. Fakery has been pulled in smaller realities than Norway and it is more possible than you think. The whole point in these matters is that reality has been replaced by TV, in the sense that it is from the TV that people expect confirmation of what is real, not their neighbours. As to the fake victims, we went over this a zillion times, you need victims to be fake in order to have less problems tomorrow to hold the case together, and send it down in history carrying just the messages you want it to carry.

Whatever happened or didn't happen in Norway there is undoubtedly fakery and nonsense at play. Some of the image details we go over here might not be withstanding clues, but all in all the whole thing is too weird and problematic to be explained without fakery. We learn from experience...

There is a "feel" to these images that reminds you of Tucson, London, Madrid, Alexandria, etc... I think the fakery centers in Laurel Canyon or Tel Aviv or whatever receive images of backgrounds and character actors from the field agents, and work on them always the same way... a bit professionally, a bit with arrogance and sloppiness, but ultimately doing "just enough" to present a condensed reality on the fast-paced news channels. These images are not meant to be scrutinized on a forum like ours, which is why they end up leaking crap on our beautiful carpets

[nonhocapito]

It's a viking battering ram!

My, he was a busy boy!

And what about the (awfully long) broom in the back? Sweeping debris with that? And where it comes from, is it equipment from the "specialized" fire station just across the street from the explosion?

[Tufa]

Ah no I see it now. Appologies.

Well, I don't, so please re-post a pic with a red arrow!
[Edit:] Now also I see. The hurt man has taken the shoe off, and positioned it close to the standing' man's leg. It looks funny in low resolution.


This thing is what policemen use when criminals refuse to come out and play. Put one policeman on each side, holding the handles. You then swing it the rod, and bang on the door, until it breaks.

On the big scale:
There is no confirmation that there where a camp on the island.
If there where a camp, there is no confirmation of anyone hurt.
The official explanation requires a high injury:death ratio, and also a high shooting:hit ratio. The transport weight of the ammunition required is a factor. These figures don't add up.
The crime is not consistent with recorded crime-statistics. A mass-murder on an island packed with "targets" should end like 200 shots fired-> 150 missed, and 50 hits -> 45 injured and 5 dead.

The "car bomb" is also insane. The bomb needs a welded pressure-container. There has been "added" litter and some kind of wood rods to the street.

If some one in Norway would enter these scenes, and take real photos, and give them to us, this issue could actually solve itself quickly.

[Heiwa]

There are only three real houses on the small Island
easy to find on Google maps,
so 600 (!) children must have stayed in tents, etc, and you wonder about toilet and restaurant facilities. If the mad killer started shooting at the jetty (forgetting the ferry crew?) evidently all children (and grown ups) would flee to the other side of the island starting to phone for assistance and calling parents, media, sending pictures using mobile phones.
But maybe there was no electricity on the island charging phones?

[SimonJCP]

A new witness has been produced to substantiate the existence of "Anders Behring Breivik":

Ulav Andersson (Spokesman for the Union of Russian Communities in Sweden)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQo2jCfxlc

--Notice the blinking and the sudden nod as Andersson describes how he knew Breivik. (00:21-00:32)
--Andersson has trouble answering each question, despite allegedly being an organization spokesman.

Being a spokesman, Andersson would be a very public person. I looked up his name in relation to the "Union of Russian Communities in Sweden" and found only three results, all of them about his RT interview:
http://www.google.ca/#sclient=psy&hl=en ... 24&bih=667

Searching only for his name, I found only a tsunami of results related to the RT interview -- all of them on mainstream-newsmedia websites or disinformation outlets in the "alternative media".

I looked up the "Union of Russian Communities in Sweden" and found some results, but not many. Only four pages, in fact. Many of the results were related to the RT interview. Barely any of them provided independent support for the existence of such an organization.

This one did, however, and the detail it provides simply makes the problem worse:

The Union of Russian Communities in Sweden (formed in Stockholm on October 18, 2003). This is a voluntary, non-religious and independent non-profit association of 25 non-commercial organizations, 20 business organizations and other individuals with about 1000 members.
The union has set itself the following objectives:
• to promote Russian culture in Sweden
• to promote closer contacts between Russia and Sweden
• to facilitate the social integration of Russians living in Sweden
• to challenge chauvinistic tendencies and bring Russian compatriots together
• to promote cooperation with all regions of Russia and citizens of the Federation in Moscow, St Petersburg and other regions.
Funding comes from membership fees, advertising revenue, grants from the Swedish State Office of Youth, the Vera Sager Foundation, grants from Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs government commission for the support of compatriots.
The union participates in Russian TV programs on a local television channel. We have published and posted on the http://www.rurik.se website a book in Russian about realities of living in Sweden and paths to economic independence for Russian immigrants.

http://www.eurolog-ireland.org/index.php?q=node/58

Is it likely that an organization consisting of 25 non-commercial organizations, 20 business organizations, and 1000 members would not have more of an Internet presence?

"Ulav Andersson" appears to have a very easy "spokesman" job -- this is his only documented public appearance!

[Thom33]

Hello,

I am new here and wanted to give my impression. I do not have the computer skills to dissect the photos to show evidence of fakery.

Below is a copy and paste of most of my introduction post that shows either three actors or the worst trained LEO carrying assault weapons.

Hello all,

I found your forum after reading a post on ATS by pshea38.

At first I was interested in the Olso Fakery as just something to review. However, after careful review and the included attempts to derail the fakery threads I found myself understanding this forums beliefs.

I was really impressed that simonshack suspended a new member Delerium for attempting to derail Oslo thread and accused a longtime member of altering a photo.

It was a picture of 3 alleged Norwegian Police Officers that finally reeled me in.


If you notice the "female officer" should never hold a firearm ever. She has no muzzle awareness with the barrel pointing at the "officer" to her left and she has her finger on the trigger of the weapon.

Some may argue that it is because the Norway Police are not regularly issued weapons or that she was nervous. OK, Fine but what of the other two "officers" why would they not be afraid for their own safety.

This is the most basic before you are allowed to even touch a firearm lessons taught to anyone who has ever had firearm training.

My impression is that they would not be worried if the weapon was unable to discharge.
i.e. not loaded (which would not matter to a person trained in handling firearms - even unloaded you never muzzle another person or put your finger on the trigger). Or the weapon is not real.

Edited to correct typo - "right" to "left"

[ADMIN: clarified reason for editing -hp]

Another question I have is the location of the Blue Volkswagen Golf in different pictures:

Here car is located on the left hand side of the street seemingly off the road:


Here the Golf is now sideways part in road part off road. I do not believe it is being pushed because of flat tires and too much damage:


Now the car is on the right hand side of the road. Notice the buildings in the background. It is not pictures from different perspectives, the car is in a different locations, no doubt:


Here, no car. See the red and white striped stanchions on the left of the above picture and this? The car was even to them:


Picture to show damage to prove it could not be pushed:


Car in surreal universe:


One note, could that red foam blowing machine have towed the car? If so, why move it and where is the trail of the car with 3 flat tires being dragged?:


That is the last car curiosity picture...

Next is the alleged gunman/bomber's eyes. Like I said I do not possess computer skills to investigate, But I can tell inhuman eyes (i.e. computer generated?) when I see them:


Lastly, the alleged victim is wearing the exact same shirt as the police woman. Look at the color, cut, appears to be a patch on shoulder and the cuff. And I think the victim is a member of Stretch Armstrong's family. Look at how long "it's" torso is compared to head size, shoulder location and posterior:


I think it is a fellow "police officer/actor" as they also have same color pants...And where are her damn shoes?:


I am already loving this forum.

Any input on my above curiosities would be greatly appreciated.

Thom

[SimonJCP]

I am aware, through SparkOfLife who has spoken to them, that both MartinL and D.Duck have personal knowledge (somewhat) of Norway "victims":

1. MartinL's aunt was in a cafe near the blast zone. He knows several people who lost friends/relatives.
2. D.Duck knows an operative of the Swedish Socialist Party who knows parents that lost someone.

I have not heard either account first-hand from them.

SparkOfLife has a friend in Norway who moves in the same circles as the "victims" and is in the same age group. Despite the socially small nature of the country, this person's only "victim" story was that his friend's brother's girlfriend's friend knew someone who had died.

The dramatic jumps and falls of the death toll is evidence that there is something wrong with the "victims" aspect of this latest PSYOP.

[nonhocapito]

I am aware, through SparkOfLife who has spoken to them, that both MartinL and D.Duck have personal knowledge (somewhat) of Norway "victims":

1. MartinL's aunt was in a cafe near the blast zone. He knows several people who lost friends/relatives.
2. D.Duck knows an operative of the Swedish Socialist Party who knows parents that lost someone.

I have not heard either account first-hand from them.

I don't think D. "military operative" Duck's word accounts for much... as MartinL's aunt "near the blast zone", it has to be seen if this stands for the fact that a "blast really happened and she heard it" or that she was a victim herself or saw victims around her, as in "victims and damage really happened as accounted by the media". Two really different things.

In any case, please let's not spread rumors about these members or former members. If MartinL is reading this: please join the discussion if you can and clarify the matter for us...

[SimonJCP]

It was a picture of 3 alleged Norwegian Police Officers that finally reeled me in.


If you notice the "female officer" should never hold a firearm ever. She has no muzzle awareness with the barrel pointing at the "officer" to her left and she has her finger on the trigger of the weapon.

Some may argue that it is because the Norway Police are not regularly issued weapons or that she was nervous. OK, Fine but what of the other two "officers" why would they not be afraid for their own safety.

This is the most basic before you are allowed to even touch a firearm lessons taught to anyone who has ever had firearm training.

My impression is that they would not be worried if the weapon was unable to discharge.
i.e. not loaded (which would not matter to a person trained in handling firearms - even unloaded you never muzzle another person or put your finger on the trigger). Or the weapon is not real.

Welcome Thom,

Upon examination, I see a white "" around the two walking officers' heads. That looks is a tell-tale sign that they were "pasted" into the scene, which would explain why the female officer appears to be oblivious to the fact that she is pointing a gun at her comrade.

[nonhocapito]

One note, could that red foam blowing machine have towed the car? If so, why move it and where is the trail of the car with 3 flat tires being dragged?

I think this is what the imagery in question is trying to convey. The foam machine also having towing capabilities. Maybe, if a vehicle is suspected of being potentially explosive or about to start burning, a foam machine can drag it to safety being ready to be triggered in case of fire, covering the vehicle with foam.

It is possible... And yet the whole "drag and foam" machine detail is so weird it could be planted there only to give credibility to the story, in a "you can't make this stuff up" sort of way.

[fakers911]

It was a picture of 3 alleged Norwegian Police Officers that finally reeled me in.


If you notice the "female officer" should never hold a firearm ever. She has no muzzle awareness with the barrel pointing at the "officer" to her left and she has her finger on the trigger of the weapon.

Some may argue that it is because the Norway Police are not regularly issued weapons or that she was nervous. OK, Fine but what of the other two "officers" why would they not be afraid for their own safety.

This is the most basic before you are allowed to even touch a firearm lessons taught to anyone who has ever had firearm training.

My impression is that they would not be worried if the weapon was unable to discharge.
i.e. not loaded (which would not matter to a person trained in handling firearms - even unloaded you never muzzle another person or put your finger on the trigger). Or the weapon is not real.

Welcome Thom,

Upon examination, I see a white "" around the two walking officers' heads. That looks is a tell-tale sign that they were "pasted" into the scene, which would explain why the female officer appears to be oblivious to the fact that she is pointing a gun at her comrade.

Why would they paste them in to the picture if they easily were able to walk there and have someone make pictures of them? Why so difficult? It's an Island... why not stage this stuff. No one will even notice.

[goodpeople]

I am aware, through SparkOfLife who has spoken to them, that both MartinL and D.Duck have personal knowledge (somewhat) of Norway "victims":

1. MartinL's aunt was in a cafe near the blast zone. He knows several people who lost friends/relatives.
2. D.Duck knows an operative of the Swedish Socialist Party who knows parents that lost someone.

I have not heard either account first-hand from them.

I don't think D. "military operative" Duck's word accounts for much... as MartinL's aunt "near the blast zone", it has to be seen if this stands for the fact that a "blast really happened and she heard it" or that she was a victim herself or saw victims around her, as in "victims and damage really happened as accounted by the media". Two really different things.

In any case, please let's not spread rumors about these members or former members. If MartinL is reading this: please join the discussion if you can and clarify the matter for us...

Pretty sure there has been numerous non-media people who felt and heard the blast.

so yes, a blast really did happen.

[Gary-Welz]

The man in the checked shirt, holding a blue shirt (?) to his head, has a problem with his foot - down in the area by the soldiers arm.



http://www.cleveland.com/world/index.ss ... _80_i.html

The "victim" in the light blue sweater sitting against the pole accompanied by the soldiers is missing his leg(s). In the open space between the boots of the soldier in the far left there should be legs visible.

[Gary-Welz]

Same police officers in diferent pictures


Same 2 Police Officers


Same Police Officer with battering ram(?)


Same woman Police Officer running in the middle


Same woman Police Officer