Cluesforum—Exposing Mass Deception

So, I've begun to read "Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA" by Richard C. Hoagland, I remember reading his first book (Monuments of Mars) as a teenager more than 20 years ago, and I would like to discuss his position and arguments here, as his perspective certainly contradicts the TYCHOS model and the perspective made on this forum that all the space missions and moon landings are quite fake.

While Hoagland does believe NASA has been lying, he starts the book by addressing the issue of the "Moon Hoax". He certainly believes that we DID go to the moon (in 1969), and that all the various unmanned probes are quite real, only that data is being hidden from us because of what they found (proof of aliens). In the introduction to the book, he tells a PERSONAL story, from 1969, wherein before the first moon mission had even (presumably) returned, there the seeds of the moon hoax were planted by NASA itself at their very own press conference (with a weird, out of place guy escorted by their own press staff), which I find an interesting contention, though exactly why is somewhat unclear.

He switches gears pretty quickly to discuss his "hyperspace physics" model (based on Maxwell's original equations), referencing a bunch of Russian scientists, as well as Bearded and other "free energy" advocates, and throughout the book, references data that was supposedly gathered about the solar system by the many various "probes" that are purportedly sent to the various planets.

The main objection that most have when I bring up the TYCHOS model is that if it's true, then how could all these probes have reached their destinations, and I hear Simon saying that they are fake, that we cannot leave this planet or even send a probe up (please correct me if I mis-read that), and I have a couple of questions about that... is there not a pretty damn vast archive of accessible images from Mars, Jupiter, and the other planets supposedly visited by these probes for decades now? Are there not a LOT of "scientists" looking at various data that is released (even if, as Hoagland claims, not all data is released at all)? It seems like it would be a difficult trick to FAKE so much raw data of various kinds (not just video) and aren't there many many thousands of images that have been released to the public?

I'm interested to know how Simon, and others here, respond to this issue.

--Joshua

joshualibrarian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:00 amIt seems like it would be a difficult trick to FAKE so much raw data of various kinds

This is a natural thought when you begin to look into the space travel mythology of the 20th century. Speaking of beginning, you have obviously not spent much time going over the research posted in the Apollo section. Please do. Then take a fresh look at your own questions.

joshualibrarian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:00 am . . . and the perspective made on this forum that all the space missions and moon landings are quite fake.

. . . is there not a pretty damn vast archive of accessible images from Mars, Jupiter, and the other planets supposedly visited by these probes for decades now? Are there not a LOT of "scientists" looking at various data that is released (even if, as Hoagland claims, not all data is released at all)? It seems like it would be a difficult trick to FAKE so much raw data of various kinds (not just video) and aren't there many many thousands of images that have been released to the public?

I see that you are a new(ish) member here. This forum's original tagline was "EXPOSING MEDIA FAKERY"; today it is "EXPOSING MASS DECEPTION". That said, I'm sure you would allow that CGI and similar tactics are used, just like in "Hollywood" movies, to fool the public into believing the (invented) stories behind the pictures, be they still pictures or moving pictures. (Or perhaps, I've so convinced myself of the nefarious picture-making deeds of these psychopaths that I can't see it any other way.) For the volume of work that gets done—dishonest people would love to work on such a project for money and identity. There is no shortage of dishonest people.

As far as "data" is concerned, and that is not my personal forte in the nasa scam (as soon as I came across proof of picture fakery I immediately wrote-off the whole enterprise), all one needs to do is to look at today. How easy was it to fool the large majority of regular folk to believe in a non-existent entity that then and now rules their very lives in extremely intimate ways?

There is no shortage of dishonest people. There is no shortage of fools who believe dishonest people. Thus is our world.

joshualibrarian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 1:00 am It seems like it would be a difficult trick to FAKE so much raw data of various kinds (not just video) and aren't there many many thousands of images that have been released to the public?

I'm interested to know how Simon, and others here, respond to this issue.

--Joshua

Yes indeed, dear Joshua...

There are many many thousands of images (nay, millions of images) that have been manufactured to support NASA's purported space adventures. That's what they DO.

NASA is nothing but a Hollywood department - but if this still isn't clear to you, I'd suggest you set aside some serious time reading this forum's longstanding research.

I guess that your underlying question goes a bit like this: "HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE BE IN ON IT?"

Well, since it's christmas time, let me just answer this question as follows: