Space and the middle east

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Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 1st, 2016, 10:27 am

What is going on here?

http://www.theguardian.com/news/video/2 ... ugee-video

Ok, it is obviously a massive clusterfuck psyop, with the famous NASA crackly radio voice this time in Arabic. But nevertheless, are we to assume that at some point in the past, Syria had a space program? The only mention I can find of any Arabic space program is the UAE one, which is a sort of Pan-Arab one (Nasser would have been proud, not!)

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi ... d-war.html

hmmmm. Something here is not quite right. To be honest, I have always found the (much-criticised) fatalism of Islam and its impact on socalled 'learning' to be one of its most attractive qualities. Better to call out to god in prayer and memorise the koran than launch imaginary satellites into the heavens and cause untold confusion among the faithful by promoting baffling ideas like gravity waves, charmed quarks and the endoplasmic reticulum. Just think of the Nobel Prizes, for example!

Nevertheless, one country in the middle east that DOES have a space agency: Israel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Space_Agency

Some of the things they have been getting up to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHALOM_%28satellite%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Sp ... ut_Hornets
This is an absolute cracker. Kol haka vod boys! ISAIAH (as in book of): israeli space investigation about hornets. Swords into plowshares indeed!

They also have something called SAMSON (Space Autonomous Mission of Swarming & geolocating Nano-Satellites). I think a few readers of this forum know about another thing called Samson...
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 1st, 2016, 10:45 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammed_Faris

Ok, correcting my last post, according to wikipedia, he 'flew' with the Soyuz program. This happened in 1987, during the closing days of the cold war, during which the Arab world was kicked around like a football by the yanks and russkis, with eventual consequences playing out in Iraq, Afghanistan et al. It would be interesting to know if your average imam at that time thought any of this was real. I have heard that masonic penetration of Islamic seminaries is pretty much total these days.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_von_Sebottendorf
Here is an ex nazi freemason occultist bektashi sufi. He wrote a fascinating book in German called 'Die Praxis der alten türkischen Freimauerei: Der Schlüssel zum Verständnis der Alchimie' which is available online in PDF. I do not think one can rule out these influences in 'space' matters. NASA seemed to be run at the beginning by a few operation paperclip rocketeers (including the fake German Werner von Braun), a few Scottish Rite masons from the South and the finance/know-how and agenda of the holywood film studios and their owners/controllers.



http://www.discoveringislam.org/Khomein ... _agent.htm
I find this quite credible, broadly speaking. Get your agent in and your fake revolution and after a few decades of staged hardlinism, it'll be colour revolutions, twitter, tinder and space travel. Everyone will then forget about what actual wisdom is to be found in the orders of twelver shiism and ismaelism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sepideh_%28film%29

I watched this a while back. It is about a young girl who is a stargazer in rural Iran and has to deal with conservative opposition to her ideas. At the end of the film she gets a phone call from this person:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anousheh_Ansari

It is actually quite heartbreaking (if it is not totally staged). A young girl's intellectual curiosity, despite all odds, flourishes then is eventually completely devastated by being turned in the direction of complete and utter nonsense and fakery. The film is obviously a psy-op intended to contrast the enlightened space-age Americans with stone-age Iran. The girl even undergoes an arranged marriage near the end.

I think national pride is a big part of the psychological side of believing in space (as in finally the first Iranian/Indian/Nigerian in space, we have really made it to the big league as a nation)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-21954395

It does seem that there is a definite attempt to push space onto Islamic populations.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 1st, 2016, 1:44 pm

In relation to our Syrian spaceman refugee friend, who must have been a propaganda coup for the government of Hafaz al-Assad:

Meet Alois Brunner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Brunner

Everything about the wikipedia article stinks (anything to do with the Simon Wiesenthal centre stinks), except perhaps that he worked for the Syrian security services as a specialist in torture and the idea that the BND shredded its file on him. As it is wont to do even nowadays.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschla ... 67203.html

This is not altogether unrelated. This concerns the shredding of documents pertaining to the NSU. The NSU (nsu,nsa,nasa) (national sozialistischer untergrund) is an apparent neonazi organisation that went on a killing spree in Germany, killing some Turks, Greeks and a few cops. The entire story stinks to high heavens. The two main protagonists died in a house explosion, even in the mainstream press, the presence of Verfassungschutzler, as well as the American security services is reported upon. This is not to mention that the fact that the entire German right-wing scene is the most closely-controlled-opposition Operation Gladio operation on the face of the planet, the point being to keep them as a bunch of Siel Heil-ing nicompoops and not asking any important questions. A big accusation that surfaces time and time again is that Erdogan's government was using false-flag fictional German Neonazi organisations to murder kurdish activists, political opponents and, possibly, people connected to Gülen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen
'Gülen teaches an Anatolian (sort of Hanafi) version of Islam, deriving from Sunni Muslim scholar Said Nursî's teachings. Gülen has stated that he believes in science, interfaith dialogue among the People of the Book, and multi-party democracy. He has initiated such dialogue with the Vatican and some Jewish organizations.'.
Gülen is said to be opposed to Erdogan, seems to me to be little more than typical American-backed bullshit. His version of Islam appears to be thin gruel indeed. Controlled opposition.

Here is a strange turkish transhumanism cult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bH21w2R0hc

They are apparently a creationist sex-cult who support Erdogan. Why am I talking about this in the context of space hoaxing? Although it is nearly impossible to turn some of the connections into a coherent thought, one has to sort of be able to see what kind of people and ideas are connected to space and transhumanism and whatnot. A good example of this is Michel Houellebecq's links to Raelianism, the bizarre french cloning sex cult. Houellebecq is a definite perp. His books push all sorts of weird racist, anti-islam and transhumanistic agendas whilst disguising themselves as miserable nihilistic drunken french tirades in the grand tradition. His tearful interview after the Charlie Hebdo 'shooting' nearly made me want to vomit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO0wgcTXr1s

Indeed his book 'submission' was featured on the cover of Charlie Hebdo the day the attack was carried out. One of his books (the possibility of an island) features a Raelian themed cloning after world, another (les particules elementaires) involves a scientist ending human suffering through technocratic means and features extended meditations on the Irish Book of Kells. He is most definitely a zionist.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 09,00.html

http://www.henrymakow.com/illuminati_li ... lians.html

Ok, this is total nonsense and Henry Makow's site is a questionable source, but some of what he says about Rael, Evelyn Rothschild and Maitreya the world teacher is not to rule out. One can see flyers 'the world is waking up' (incidentally, it clearly isnt) announcing the coming of Maitreya in every place in Edinburgh that is even slightly alternative. I am reminded of Annie Besant and Krishnamurti during the days of Indian decolonisation. What does this have to do with Ex-Nazis torturing the opposition for Assad Pere? Well, think of the exodus of Syrians into Europe specifically to Germany. Some Hafaz-era stooge clearly knows what side his bread his buttered on, feeds nicely into a narrative of 'they are not just savages here to grope our women, they are SPACEMEN and SCIENTISTS'. Somehow I also feel that the promotion of the 'neo flat earth' feeds into this mess, not to mention the publication of books like 'look who's back' by timo vermes, this incident involving Pegida (patriotische europäer gegen islamisierung des abendlandes)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/f ... ache-photo
as well as Netanyahu invoking the Grand Mufti's visit to the Führer
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/o ... aust-claim

I cannot really put this altogether in my head, but i am pretty sure we are not in Kansas anymore, or indeed, Anatolia.

http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Ritual_signs
Scroll down to the water goddess Auramoth sign of grade 3=8

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=angel ... HJaOXEsaAH


I suppose I could sum up my thoughts by saying that I feel that we are unwilling participants in some massive occult ritual and that Space and the promotion thereof has played a big role in this.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby Painterman on March 1st, 2016, 11:59 pm

fubarfuthark wrote:I suppose I could sum up my thoughts by saying that I feel that we are unwilling participants in some massive occult ritual and that Space and the promotion thereof has played a big role in this.

Greetings to you, Fubarfuthark.

I agree with your basic thought here. Yet, for the sake of precision, I would probably choose a different word than "ritual", because that connotes a more organized effort than what the evidence shows. In my opinion, the reason we observe a unified symbolic language across the board in space fakery, media fakery in general, propaganda in general, Hollywood junk culture, pop music junk culture, promoted junk science (both "mainstream" academic and "alternative" flatological), the myriad manufactured countercultures pushing 101 flavors of adolescent narcissism to the already marginalized "low hanging fruit" of society, etc. is that all such methods of psychosocial virtualization have a common, quite ancient origin in an undisclosed religio-political technology for colonizing, co-opting and transforming indigenous, traditional (i.e. "organic") societies into adulterated ("GMO" / "Frankenfood", as it were) products / components of the "transhumanist" (i.e. unisexed and otherwise dehumanized) New World Order whose controllers want to conquer the world for some reason.

Since this apparent original technology from which contemporary social engineering sprung is of ancient origin, there will of course be many etymological and other symbolic indicators of ancient culture. We see this in other fields as well, for example branches of math and philosophy which were formalized by the ancient Greeks and remain framed in terms of their words and symbols.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 2nd, 2016, 1:42 am

Painterman wrote:
fubarfuthark wrote:I suppose I could sum up my thoughts by saying that I feel that we are unwilling participants in some massive occult ritual and that Space and the promotion thereof has played a big role in this.

Greetings to you, Fubarfuthark.

I agree with your basic thought here. Yet, for the sake of precision, I would probably choose a different word than "ritual", because that connotes a more organized effort than what the evidence shows. In my opinion, the reason we observe a unified symbolic language across the board in space fakery, media fakery in general, propaganda in general, Hollywood junk culture, pop music junk culture, promoted junk science (both "mainstream" academic and "alternative" flatological), the myriad manufactured countercultures pushing 101 flavors of adolescent narcissism to the already marginalized "low hanging fruit" of society, etc. is that all such methods of psychosocial virtualization have a common, quite ancient origin in an undisclosed religio-political technology for colonizing, co-opting and transforming indigenous, traditional (i.e. "organic") societies into adulterated ("GMO" / "Frankenfood", as it were) products / components of the "transhumanist" (i.e. unisexed and otherwise dehumanized) New World Order whose controllers want to conquer the world for some reason.

Since this apparent original technology from which contemporary social engineering sprung is of ancient origin, there will of course be many etymological and other symbolic indicators of ancient culture. We see this in other fields as well, for example branches of math and philosophy which were formalized by the ancient Greeks and remain framed in terms of their words and symbols.


To be honest, I dont know entirely what you are getting at here. You have just sort of turned everything into a kind of smooshy generalisation about some of the ancient origins of the NWO. When you mention the perps promotion of hermaphroditism, do you mean that fake astrotheology is turning people into transvestites? Because if that is what you mean, I broadly agree with you. Hell, what is glam rock but space-age gender-bending with a frisson of the occult? On the album 'Station to Station' David Bowie (is he actually dead?) has drawn a tree of life on the inside sleeve...dont forget Chris Hadfield's wonderful performance of 'Space Oddity'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

I was trying to get more into specifics. People like Gülen influence the thoughts of a vast amount of people. When Gülen says that his version of Islam is in accordance with science what does this mean? Islam spiked with General Relativity, Space Travel and Dinosaurs? And if this is the case, who is he taking his orders from? Is Gülen actually a Marrano? Did a bunch of luciferic wannabe masons, marrano sufis, weirdo ex-nazi schutzstaffel operatives, on some insane 'searching for Christian Rosenkreuz in Damcar' trip dream up a load of demented middle-eastern themed space twaddle? I sort of imagine them sitting there, thinking about the Old Man Of The Mountain, possibly stoned out of their respective faces, intoning 'Adonai Ha'aretz' and 'Elohim Gibor' whilst circumambulating the chamber, eventually coming out with 'I've got it, we need a moustachioed George Habash type character on an exercise bike in his undies'.

When investigating Sufism, particularly in Turkey, one very quickly runs up against the figure of Shabbatai Zevi, an antinomian Jewish messiah claimant whose followers, the dönmeh (transvestites) apparently profess a strange form of Islam in public, whilst carrying out weird orgies and forming a significant proportion of Istanbul's secular intellegentsia. Gershom Scholem's book 'major trends in jewish mysticism' has some information on this. His successor Jacob Frank carried out a similar thing in Poland, instead converting to Catholicism and winding up in Offenbach, Germany.

A very strange truther: Rabbi Marvin Antelman wrote a book on this subject. He also patented a cure for AIDS
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... l_back.htm

This Adnan Oktar is a weird fellow, denied then affirmed the holocaust, runs around with loads of dollybird women but is nevertheless a creationist. He apparently mailed his creationist books to american science museums and members of congress, which i actually find quite estimable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Okt ... y_theories

Of course Turks, and Turkish Germans are used to conspiracy theories. The entire turkish government and military is one gigantic conspiracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergenekon ... egation%29
It basically seesaws back and forth between a kind of secular nationalism and a sort of technocratic, pilfering petty islamism all under the watchful gaze of portraits of their Dönmeh founding father, Atatürk whilst the gülenists sling shit from abroad. There is a lot to go into in terms of media fakery in the Tahrir square protests, but I actually think it does not make that much sense, as Turkey does not even pretend to have a free press. Occasionally they play to the western gallery, some religious cleric demanding the jailing of the concert pianist Fazil Say for making atheistic statements on twitter.


One very interesting further Germany-Turkey connection (apart from the massive turkish community!) is Paul Hindemith, who wrote the opera 'Mathis der Maler' (matthias the painter), an opera about a painter who wishes to preserve artistic freedom in difficult circumstances. Something about this put me in mind of Miles W. Mathis. It is also based on the pictures of Matthias Grünwald, whose pictures also inspired Huysman's La Bas, a novel which is about Satanism and black masses (this last part is according to wikipedia). Something about this story and this opera reminds me of the jewish painter Max von Lieberman who was accused of blasphemy for painting a jewish-looking jesus child, i am not sure why. Hindemith was sent to Istanbul during the rise of the Nazis and, by all accounts, founded a very modern and exacting system of musical education that eventually produced such pianists as Idil Beret (whose rachmaninov recordings on Naxos I find to be quite good). Another German who wound up in Istanbul around that time was Ernst Reuter of the 'völker der welt' speech during the Berlin airdrop hoax/drama. Yet another interesting connection is that Helmut Kohl's (apparently actually called Hennoch Kuhn) son married a turkish dönmeh woman. Information about this is, however scant. Helmut Kohl's old bete noire Franz Josef Strauss has recently been revealed as an american spy.

Houellebecq is a Raelian. The Raelians promote some ancient-alien cloning transhuman interpretation of the book Bereishit of the Tanakh, seeing the Elohim as some sort of aliens. At least that is what they say in public. From 'je suis charlie' to project blue bleam.

Houellebecq also wrote his first book 'against the world' as a study of H.P. Lovecraft, him of the ctulhu mythos. Now I am NOT saying that the Necronomicon is real or that the 'mad arab' who wrote it, Abdul Ahrazed has anything to do with the forcing of CGI planets and astrobiology down the throats of pious muslims. Cthulu IS however standing in the American presidential election:
https://cthulhuforamerica.com/swag/retr ... es-matter/

Disappointingly, the Satanists have apparently come out for Bernie Sanders. Perhaps they think he has big plans for the Temple Mount.

Back to the subject of space Arabs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_bin_Salman_Al_Saud

Good lord, the custodians of Mecca are involved in faking space missions? Surely not! but that would be quite serious blasphemy. What would the hidden imam say?
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby Painterman on March 2nd, 2016, 3:23 am

fubarfuthark wrote:To be honest, I dont know entirely what you are getting at here.

I was getting at the statement of yours which I quoted:

I suppose I could sum up my thoughts by saying that I feel that we are unwilling participants in some massive occult ritual and that Space and the promotion thereof has played a big role in this.

I think a "massive occult ritual" is not the best way to explain the situation. I think the same facts you're alluding to (and other facts) are better explained by common descent from an older technology, rather than as components of a ritual, if for no other reason than my interpretation fits an established pattern of cultural inheritance that includes what we get from ancient Greece.

You did say your conclusion of a "massive occult ritual" was what you "feel" - presumably meaning that you mention it here without claiming to prove it. My alternate conclusion is posted here with a similar disclaimer.

When you mention the perps promotion of hermaphroditism, do you mean that fake astrotheology is turning people into transvestites? Because if that is what you mean, I broadly agree with you. Hell, what is glam rock but space-age gender-bending with a frisson of the occult?

I did mean this and a more general doctrine / agenda which includes and explains it - hence the reference to transhumanism.

Wikipedia:

Gender neutrality or "gender transcendence" is part of the transhumanist concept of postgenderism.

Advocates of postgenderism argue that the presence of gender roles, social stratification, and cogno-physical disparities and differences are generally to the detriment of individuals and society. Given the radical potential for advanced assistive reproductive options, postgenderists believe that sex for reproductive purposes will either become obsolete, or that all post-gendered humans will have the ability, if they so choose, to both carry a pregnancy to term and father a child, which, postgenderists believe, would have the effect of eliminating the need for definite genders in such a society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_neutrality

Postgenderism as a cultural phenomenon has roots in feminism, masculism, along with the androgyny, metrosexual/technosexual and transgender movements. However, it has been through the application of transhumanist philosophy that postgenderists have conceived the potential for actual morphological changes to the members of the human species and how future humans in a postgender society will reproduce. In this sense, it is an offshoot of transhumanism, posthumanism, and futurism.

One of the earliest expressions of postgenderism was Shulamith Firestone's The Dialectic of Sex. It argues,

"[The] end goal of feminist revolution must be, unlike that of the first feminist movement, not just the elimination of male privilege but of the sex distinction itself: genital differences between human beings would no longer matter culturally. (A reversion to an unobstructed pansexuality Freud's 'polymorphous perversity' - would probably supersede hetero/homo/bi-sexuality.) The reproduction of the species by one sex for the benefit of both would be replaced by (at least the option of) artificial reproduction: children would born to both sexes equally, or independently of. either, however one chooses to look at it; the dependence of the child on the mother (and vice versa) would give way to a greatly shortened dependence on a small group of others in general, and any remaining inferiority to adults in physical strength would be compensated for culturally."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postgenderism
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 2nd, 2016, 11:53 am

In a way I sort of see where you are going with this, Painterman. It is as if the production of the new gender is the resolution of the ultimate dialectic: man and woman. But to do this, man's nature must be overcome, whence all the nonsense about space, evolution et al. But this is just NWO nonsense. Actually, the dialectics to be overcome are the relation between subject and object, master and slave, mind and body, matter and spirit. I think there is a thread about the dialectic somewhere. Rudolf Steiner often describes Christ as the reconciler between opposites and the central pole between the twin evils of Ahriman and Lucifer. Christ says in the book of john "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.' He also says in the book of matthew 'enter through the narrow gate, for wide is the way that leads to destruction'.

In any case, back to glam rock. Michel 'je suis charlie' Houellebecq had his transhuman manifesto 'The Possibility of An Island', a nasty unfunny book laced with vitriolic attacks on Palestinians and gratuitous sex made into a record by Iggy Pop. That's right! Iggy Pop is a perp!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C3%A9liminaires

Here is Iggy Pop's meditations on Edward Gibbon's famous book about Rome.
http://www.ucd.ie/cai/classics-ireland/1995/Pop95.html

Iggy est Charlie!

Iggy also lived together with Bowie in Berlin, the original occult space gender-bender 'this aint rock and roll, this is genocide!' and of course, Bowie duetted with Freddie Mercury of Queen (with their astronomist guitarist Brian May and their singer's dramatic AIDS death, not to mention the whole Live Aid clusterfuck and the curse of Bob Geldof).

Dont stop me now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwLmgM

Has anyone actually listened to the lyrics of this song?

Im a rocket ship on my way to mars, on a collision course, im a sattelite, im out of control,
im a sex machine waiting to reload, im an atom bomb, about to oh oh oh explode!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U16Xg_r ... 35g8Q2jiVg
Here is the spaceman really pushing the transvestism

Has anyone actually listened to the lyrics of this song?

Im a rocket ship on my way to mars, on a collision course, im a sattelite, im out of control,
im a sex machine waiting to reload, im an atom bomb, about to oh oh oh explode!

Now there is something about the connection to Berlin about these people, and to its wall (the berlin wall psyop is a hell of a one, ask roger waters) and to all the associated psychological trauma and nonsense that bothers me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La4Dcd1aUcE

Here is Nena singing 99 luftballons, nuclear war and Berlin cold war. Its strange, but to a german speaker this song sounds completely disembodied and very much a product, and indeed pushing of the most brutal Monarch brainwashing. To be honest, I think German speakers who grew up in Germany are probably the most traumatised people on this planet. I lived there and speak German and no amount of 'therapy' will EVER put my brain back together.

Lou Reed, another glam rock luminary with a connection to Berlin, is ALSO a perp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2EgYq_NCY

'i watched it for a little while. i love to watch things on tv'

Lou Reed was taught by the short story writer Delmore Schwartz who wrote 'in dreams begin responsibilities' a rare piece of good new york literary fiction. I recommend it, its just a short story. Lou Reed apparently also was given shock treatment.

He also made the album 'LULU' with Metallica, by all accounts one of the worst records ever made. Here he is performing white light/white heat on Lou Reed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j17MnrbK-yo

I think this might be the shittest thing of all time. Actually seeing this convinced me that rock music is utter crap and should be written out of history.

LULU is based on the franz wedekind play 'pandora's box' and was also turned into an atonal opera by alban berg. It is far from the worst of 12-tone music. That prize goes to...Schoenberg's 'a survivor from warsaw'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z51uNyqdk5E
This actually reminds me of the film the pianist with the bizarre mixing of languages in the narration.

http://forward.com/the-assimilator/1292 ... g-zionist/
I actually did not know that both he and Max Bruch composed settings of the Kol Niddre. In fact, I had no idea that Max Bruch was jewish. Lovely violin concerto actually, far better than the Mendelssohn but nowhere near as good as the Sibelius or the Tchaikovsky.


When not pushing stuff like satellites and 'takning a walk on the wild side', for Lou Reed it was all transvestism 'lady godiva's operation' (who for some reason is also mentioned in dont stop me now) and pushing smack on teenagers too naive to know any better.

Speaking of smack-pushers and queen, let's get on to the actual Queen of England (see what I did there, any of you Larouchists who might be hanging round here)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/j ... ribute-mps
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2014/4 ... rabia.html

Britain's involvement with Saudi Arabia has always been an issue for many muslims. There exists a letter which purports to reveal a plan to subvert Islam.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_o ... iddle_East

Wikipedia describes it as an anglophobic version of the protocols of zion. I say, as far as the british government is concerned, one can NEVER be too anglophobic.

Now, Britain's dire school system and atrocious one-sided teaching of history, not to mention its pretty much destroyed social landscape and bovine press means that the average 'educated' Brit barely even knows that there was a middle-eastern theatre of World War 1, let alone that Britain also 'fought' the Ottomans, precipitating the collapse of that empire, bringing Atatürk to power. Nor would they also know that a certain 'David Green' i.e. David ben Gurion fought in the Royal British Fusilliers (along with Russian Zionist Vladmir Jabotinsky who would eventually be heavily involved in the Stern gang and Irgun).

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... r38rf.html

Nor indeed would they know that there existed a promise to give Constantinople to the Russians in event of a Russian victory. Instead, the Russian revolution happened and the troops returned under the treaty of Brest Litovsk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople_Agreement

But to truly get some sense of these things, one needs to go even further back, to the Crimean war. I have a feeling, and for some reason I cannot lay my hands on my sources just now, that the promotion of Dinosaurs, fossil fuels and this sort of thing has its roots in oil rights in the caucasus and arabia and that this was all planned well in advance. Its hard to know though if Omar Pasha sat there in his fez and masonic sash, surrounded by janissary percussion saying 'you know, in 150 years they'll all be dressing in women's clothing, these drums will be in all their music and they'll be believing in giant lizards and ships coming from the heavens that were not in their bible or our quran'.

Back to space:
Was there any reports of flying saucers or aliens before people like Stanton Friedman and, before that Wilhelm Reich brought them into the public consciousness? Do 'UFO incidents' happen in places like Pakistan with as much frequency as in America (i cant imagine so).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -ever.html

To quote Leonard Cohen's song 'Dress Rehearsal Rag'

Wasn't it a long way down, wasn't it a strange way down!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz3lJX92ly0
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby ICfreely on March 2nd, 2016, 6:45 pm

fubarfuthark,

You're a bit too Fast & Curious for me but I like the way you think. ;) Will respond to your posts in due time.

Painterman,

For the life of me I can't figure out what you're talking about. As an odd-ball I tell myself that maybe you're a (well intentioned) odd-ball. I don't know. Simon works in mysterious ways!

Tokyojoe,

Believe it or not, I actually found many of your posts to be very interesting! I say you deserve a second chance. I also say ShaneG deserves the same. What does Simon say?
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby Painterman on March 2nd, 2016, 8:46 pm

fubarfuthark wrote:In a way I sort of see where you are going with this, Painterman. It is as if the production of the new gender is the resolution of the ultimate dialectic: man and woman. But to do this, man's nature must be overcome, whence all the nonsense about space, evolution et al. But this is just NWO nonsense.

Perhaps it is nonsense. However, if that's the conceptual framework the perpetrators are using, it is relevant as we investigate their motives and means.

You're closing in on a key idea with "man's nature must be overcome" as a possible maxim of the NWO (and repeated by various philosophers). I'm glad you phrased it that way, because now we can simply replace the categorical noun "man" with a synonym and rephrase the maxim less "philosophically":

"Society's nature must be overcome."

Hence the gender neutrality, space mythology, astroturf social revolutions, and other forms of engineered "progress" in aid of the transformation (or, metaphorically, Monsanto-style "genetic modification") of indigenous, traditional (i.e. "organic") societies into colonies of the NWO. The above rephrase concerning "man's nature" can itself be rephrased, less euphemistically:

"Society must be conquered."

Sometimes it's only possible to conquer a nation or people through "cognitive infiltration" and social transformation from within, not by force through an invading army from without.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby ICfreely on March 3rd, 2016, 10:17 pm

Painterman wrote:Perhaps it is nonsense.


It is nonsense - All 81 of your posts!

fubarfuthark wrote:To be honest, I dont know entirely what you are getting at here. You have just sort of turned everything into a kind of smooshy generalisation about some of the ancient origins of the NWO.


To be honest, I couldn't have said it better myself!

I have plenty to contribute to this thread but what's my motivation to do so? Little pp sucks the energy out of it with his meaningless musings. He did the same thing with Gopi's thread - turned it into shit by being the mush that he is. My posts get microscopically scrutinized while he apparently has 'house boy' carte blanche to defecate away!

In the words of Baby Jesus, "I love my niggas but nigga please!"


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"I love my niggas but nigga please!" ? Please understand that this is a forum with an international following - and that your 'hip dialect' is lost on many (if not all) readers here. Please stop requiring us to understand your "hip language". Thanks.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 7th, 2016, 4:44 pm

Dear ICFreely, I think that Painterman's contributions here (and in general) should be let stand. They serve as a didactic example of pathological generalising. If, in the course of the operation of moving from the particular (one or other false-flag incident or piece of fake science mumbo jumbo) to the universal, that is to say, noticing tendencies in common, pointing at perpetrators, making predictions, perceiving patterns, all meaningful discourse is lost and everything is reduced to a kind of 'its the NWO agenda, innit', then our ability to say anything at all about our experiences is utterly circumscribed. And in any case, is moot, because there becomes no point in pointing out any particular manifestation of
the 'NWO agenda' as its totalising nature allows you no vantage point to say 'that thing, x, is fake' because x cannot be MORE fake than any other thing, including and up to the culture in which you live, or the very language with which you formulate your thoughts, or even your personal agency and sense of self. This is why the impulse to totalise is such poison to advancing an idea, or even playing with the association of ideas.

Like ice 9 dropped into the ocean.

Or the mythical 'strangelet'.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelet#Dangers


Painterman is promoting a variety of ontology, he is a kind of Spinozan pantheist crossed with a frisson of Marshall Mcluhan 'the map is the territory' thinking. If not an outright virtual-reality neoplatonist. And that is his good right. Hell, he is not exactly wrong.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby ICfreely on March 7th, 2016, 5:15 pm

ICfreely wrote:ADMIN NOTICE (simon): Dear IC - do you really expect everyone to understand the meaning of things like "I love my niggas but nigga please!" ? Please understand that this is a forum with an international following - and that your 'hip dialect' is lost on many (if not all) readers here. Please stop requiring us to understand your "hip language". Thanks.


Ok, Simon! I can't delete it at this point. Feel free to do so. Or leave it as a testament to my crudeness. However, I think you'd be surprised at the broad range of people around the world who are fully updated on their hip-hop lingo. For instance, currently, the most popular female hip-hop artist in the world is a white, blonde Australian - Iggy Azalea!

I think it's more of a generational rather than cultural divide. But I digress.

fubarfuthark wrote:Dear ICFreely, I think that Painterman's contributions here (and in general) should be let stand.

Agreed, fubarfuthark! I don't advocate censoring him. Nor do I get what purpose he's serving. At this point I really don't care. To each his own.
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby simonshack on March 7th, 2016, 6:38 pm

ICfreely wrote:Agreed, fubarfuthark! I don't advocate censoring him. Nor do I get what purpose he's serving. At this point I really don't care. To each his own.


Huh? You "don't advocate censoring him"? Lol ! Isn't this precisely what you've been (quite obsessively) 'advocating' for many weeks? :lol:

Well - I'll take this as good news, dear IC! Thanks for becoming reasonable. :P
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby ICfreely on March 8th, 2016, 12:14 am

simonshack wrote:Huh? You "don't advocate censoring him"? Lol ! Isn't this precisely what you've been (quite obsessively) 'advocating' for many weeks?


Don't get me wrong, Simon. If this was my forum he'd be gone a long, long time ago simply because, IMO, he brings nothing to the table. Moreover, he's derailed many threads right under your nose. Seeing as you're the producer of arguably the most compelling documentary of all time (September Clues) and the founder of this great forum I respect your decision to keep him around. I don't get/like it but I respect it nonetheless.

I would like to think that, based on my body of work, I've somewhat earned your respect/trust as well. What truly baffles me is why you let him get away with antagonizing me, one of your more productive contributors, in the cowardly and idiotic way that he does.

For example, take Jumpy. Although he and I had some differences of opinion I always respected (and continue to respect) him because he had the fortitude to directly confront me mano a mano. Despite the fact that he's a personal friend of yours you didn't hesitate to suspend him when you thought it necessary. Although paintball has dropped quite a few turds in this forum you've yet to criticize even a single post of his. :blink:

I joined this forum to add to the existing body of knowledge. Not to make friends/enemies with other contributors. I've never shied away from other contributors questions or comments. If I have a problem with someone I take it up with them directly. Seeing as he's too big of a coward to confront me directly & continues to derail at will (with your tacit approval) I have no choice but to step aside & let him do his thing until he fizzles out.

I thank you for leaving the door open for me & hope that you eventually come to your senses & put him in check. When (not if) you do so I will thank you for finally becoming reasonable, mon frère! :)
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Re: Space and the middle east

Postby fubarfuthark on March 8th, 2016, 5:44 pm

If we can just stop this big love-in for a moment, we have to get onto the subject of Muslim Prayer times, the angle of the moon and sun, the notion of time zones and the development of the railways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_zone#Railway_time
http://www.moonsighting.com/how-we.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrant_%28instrument%29

Now, here is something we do not always think about. Back in the day, when people were not travelling about as much, let alone possessing mobile phones, television sets or computers with a clock in the corner of the operating system display, a local town had its own mean solar time. Now, I have heard (and I cannot confirm this only with the internet very easily) that in Saudi Arabia, a variety of local time is still used outside of the big cities (this was told to me by an amateur astronomer who paid a visit.) If you look at that prayer moonsighting site, you can see that the angle of the sun is taken seriously. But how do you determine this? When I look at the sun's path and its position relative to where I am, I do not really see the angle very clearly. There is something hard to define about the path and position of the sun.

http://suncalc.net/
http://www.gaisma.com/en/location/edinburgh.html

This is the kind of information that is available. I have to say it fries my brain. I would love to know how to measure the sun's angle and path in a reliable and meaningful way, relative to where I am, possibly learn what sort of instruments they have, how an astrolabe really works. Maybe inquire about how, according to our current 'cosmology', if one is at the North pole, the sun rises in the south and sets...in the south. Oh look here is my opportunity...

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Perhaps i can ask the astrobiologist if he can help me with calculating the angle of the sun throughout the day, in order that I might pray correctly to Allah. Perhaps I will also ask him if he has any good ideas about the longitude mystery. Or perhaps I just will tell him that I used the data given by the ESA, accidentally broke shabbat, and was excommunicated by my Chabad rabbi and am now forced to wonder around like a cider-gargling Ahasuerus.
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