The Mars pre-hoax: starts with a cut of budget

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Now they decided to start with a cut of budget, so that everyone will push to donate more billions to NASA... :D
Obama’s budget would cut Mars program, solar system exploration

By Brian Vastag, Thursday, February 9, 2:22 AM

The budget coming Monday from the Obama administration will send the NASA division that launches rovers to Mars and probes to Jupiter crashing back to Earth.

Scientists briefed on the proposed budget said that the president’s plan drops funding for planetary science at NASA from $1.5 billion this year to $1.2 billion next year, with further cuts continuing through 2017.

It would eat at NASA’s Mars exploration program, which, after two high-profile failures in 1999, has successfully sent three probes into Martian orbit and landed three more on the planet’s surface.

“We’re doing all this great science and taking the public along with us,” said Jim Bell, an Arizona State University scientist and president of the Planetary Society who works on NASA’s Mars rover Opportunity. “Pulling the rug out from under it is going to be really devastating.”

If approved, the president’s budget will sever NASA’s partnership with the European Space Agency to send probes to Mars in 2016 and 2018. Agreed upon in 2009, NASA was to pay $1.4 billion, and the Europeans $1.2 billion, for the two missions.

In an e-mail, NASA spokesman David Weaver wrote, “Consistent with the tough choices being made across the Federal government . . . NASA is reassessing its current Mars exploration initiatives to maximize what can be achieved scientifically, technologically and in support of our future human missions.”

A congressional champion of space exploration said that the budget slashing “absolutely will not fly” with the House committee that oversees NASA.

“You don’t cut spending for critical scientific research endeavors that have immeasurable benefit to the nation and inspire the human spirit of exploration we all have,” Rep. John Abney Culberson (R-Tex.) said.

Last fall, NASA handed out $46 million to contractors to begin building instruments for the 2016 mission.

But earlier this week, Alvaro Gimenez, top scientist at the European agency, told the BBC that NASA’s continued participation in the partnership was “highly unlikely.”

“The impact of the cuts . . . will be to immediately terminate the Mars deal with the Europeans,” said G. Scott Hubbard, a Stanford University and former NASA planetary scientist who revived the agency’s Mars exploration program after the 1999 failures. “It’s a scientific tragedy and a national embarrassment.”

The 2016 mission, called the Trace Gas Orbiter, was to sniff the Martian atmosphere for methane, which could signal the existence of microbes on the surface. The 2018 mission was to land a rover to gather rocks and soil for eventual return to Earth.

An official familiar with deliberations at NASA said the agency is still hoping to launch a robotic Mars mission in 2018, although the goals and hardware would probably differ from those of the joint European project.

With austere budgets expected across the federal government, NASA is finding itself squeezed. Last year, Congress ordered the agency to build a giant new rocket and a deep-space crew capsule. Congress also told the agency to finish the overbudgeted James Webb Space Telescope, now expected to launch no earlier than 2018.

The executive branch’s budget request, unveiled every February, is used by federal agencies to set spending priorities. Details are often decided by officials in the White House’s Office of Management and Budget.

On Wednesday, planetary scientists accused the OMB of ignoring advice given to NASA by its scientific advisers. In May, planetary scientists told the agency they favored two big projects: the Mars missions, or, if those proved too expensive, a probe to explore Europa, an intriguing moon of Jupiter with an ice-covered ocean and, within it, conditions possibly favorable for life.

“They don’t seem to be interested in finding life in the universe or letting the experts manage their own program,” Hubbard said of the OMB. “Low-level workers have substituted their judgment for 1,700 scientists and the National Academy of Sciences.”

Culberson said the House committee would continue to push for the Europa mission, which Congress directed the agency to study this year.
source:http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html
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Re: The Mars pre-hoax: starts with a cut of budget

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Wasn't there something similar as regards lunar exploration missions not too long ago?

Maybe they're finally realizing it's not as easy to fool the rubes as they thought. :lol:
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NASA has to stay relevant to the general public, as we pay for their existence, so to keep the money coming in they have to start making some big paradigm shifting "discoveries" to justify their existence, which we expect will start on Mars with the Curiosity Rover, which is why this thread is titled "The Mars pre-hoax", so it seems to me.
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This is a clip from the launch of the probe containing the Curiosity rover, the next cart wonder to rove Mars,

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmJO449R_5g

Any idea why the rockets seem to disintegrate once they are detached from the capsule?



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According to NASA, this photograph was taken Oct. 26-29, 2007, depicting The Spirit Rover, a rover supposedly strolling planet Mars

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA10128

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The deck of NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit is so dusty that the rover almost blends into the dusty background in this image assembled from frames taken by the panoramic camera (Pancam) during the period from Spirit's Sol 1,355 through Sol 1,358 (Oct. 26-29, 2007).

Dust on the solar panels reduces the amount of electrical power the rover can generate from sunlight each sol. Earlier self-portraits by Spirit, such as one taken on Sol 586 (PIA03272), offer a comparison view of cleaner solar panels.

The vertical projection used here produces the best view of the rover deck, though it distorts the ground and antennas somewhat. The eight-pointed star shape near the front of the rover (bottom of the image) marks the location of the camera mast, which is out of view of the Pancam atop the mast.

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This mosaic view in approximate true color is a composite of frames taken through the Pancam's filters centered on wavelengths of 600 nanometers, 530 nanometers and 480 nanometers.


But MSNBC claims that that was the opportunity rover (another supposed rover strolling Mars) taken Dec. 21 to 24, 2011

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... he-picture

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Rotated 180 degs

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Mars' reddish dust covers the Opportunity rover's solar panels in this downward-looking view, assembled from images taken by the NASA probe's panoramic camera from Dec. 21 to 24, 2011. The mosaic was put together in such a way as to omit the mast on which the camera is mounted.

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Shopped here and there but the scam is evident.

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First image from the Viking Lander Probe for public consumption

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The image raised quite a controversy because it depicted a blue sky that soon was belittled by official sources saying it was artificially filtered, but that the real Martian sky was purple.

The following is from Levin’s first-hand recollections of the whole affair, recounted in a recent book by science writer Barry DiGregorio - the remarkable "over reaction" by JPL that occurred in response to Ron Levin’s naive efforts to "correct" what seemed to him that July afternoon to be,

"a deliberate - if perplexing - methodical distortion of the incoming Viking Lander data"

(Mars: The Living Planet, B. DiGregorio, G. Levin and P. Straat, Frog Ltd, Berkeley, CA 1997).

According to DiGregorio’s narrative:

"At about 2:00 P.M. PDT, the first color image from the surface of another planet, Mars, began to emerge on the JPL color video monitors located in many of the surrounding buildings, specifically set up for JPL employees and media personnel to view the Viking images. Gil and Ron Levin sat in the main control room where dozens of video monitors and anxious technicians waited to see this historic first color picture.

As the image developed on the monitors, the crowd of scientists, technicians, and media reacted enthusiastically to a scene that would be absolutely unforgettable - Mars in color. The image showed an Arizona-like landscape: blue sky, brownish-red desert soil, and gray rocks with green splotches...

"Gil Levin commented to Patricia Straat [his co-Investigator] and his son Ron, ‘Look at that image! It looks like Arizona’ [above].

"Two hours after the first color image appeared on the monitors, a technician abruptly changed the image from the light-blue sky and Arizona-like landscape to a uniform orange-red sky and landscape [below].

Ron Levin looked in disbelief as the technician went from monitor to monitor making the change.

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Minutes later, Ron followed him, resetting the colors to their original appearance.

Levin and Straat were interrupted when they heard someone being chastised. It was Ron Levin being chewed out by the Viking Project Director himself, James S. Martin, Jr.

Gil Levin went immediately and asked, "What is going on?" Martin had caught Ron changing all the color monitors back to their original settings. He warned Ron that if he tried something like that again, he’d be thrown out of JPL for good.

The Director then asked a TRW engineer assisting the Biology team, Ron Gilje, to follow Ron Levin around to every color monitor and change it back to the red landscape.

"What Gil Levin, Ron and Patricia Straat did not know (even to this writing) is that the order to change the colors came directly from the NASA Administrator himself, Dr. James Fletcher.

Months later, Gil Levin sought out the JPL Viking Imaging Team technician who actually made the changes and asked why it was done. The technician responded that he had instructions from the Viking Imaging Team that the Mars sky and landscape should be red and went around to all the monitors ‘tweaking’ them to make it so.

Gil Levin said,

‘The new settings showed the American flag - painted on the Landers - below as having purple stripes. The technician said that the Mars atmosphere made the flag appear that way.’"

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As someone who was also at JPL that afternoon, and vividly remembers a similar shock - when the "Arizona Mars" initially flashed on the JPL monitors was suddenly transformed into a Martian "Red Light District" - I now kick myself for not asking lots more questions.

But, it was 1976 - and we all trusted our Space Agency back then...

One of the basic questions that I should have asked involves the physics behind JPL’s abrupt color alterations.

Or, as Gil Levin put it:

"If atmospheric dust were scattering red light and not blue, the sky would appear red, but since the red would be at least partially removed by the time the light hit the surface, its [the direct sunlight’s] reflection from the surface would make the surface appear more blue than red. There would be less red light [in the direct sunlight illumination] left to reflect.

And what about the sharp shadows of the rocks in the black and white images yesterday? If significant scattering of the light on Mars occurred [from lots of red dust in the atmosphere], the sharp shadows in those images would not be present, or at best, would appear fuzzy because of diffusion by the [atmospheric] scattering [emphasis added]!"

Levin was describing the well-known phenomenon of "Raleigh scattering" - whereby the similar-sized molecules of all planetary atmospheres (be it the primary nitrogen of Earth; the carbon dioxide atmosphere of Mars; or even the predominantly hydrogen atmospheres of Jupiter and Saturn!) all produce blue skies when sunlight passes through them.

If you examine the long Martian photographic record - which encompasses hundreds of thousands of images, acquired by dozens of observatories even before the Space age dawned - you can see blatant evidence that Levin’s right and JPL is wrong... regarding the scientifically expected “color” of the Martian atmosphere.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte ... rte_56.htm

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Opportunity rover parked on slope for Martian winter



http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1201/10opportunity/

But where did the cart parked:

here?

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or here?

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http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/short ... nds-w.html

Notice there is a extreme resemblance between the landscapes, but the first picture seems to capture it much closer seen from THE RIGHT while the second is more distant and seen from THE LEFT. Probably a peppermint miniature landscape

The vantage point in both photos is not that of a cart at ground level

Further, I could find the "map" of the area opportunity Rover chose to withstand Mars winter. It's called "Greeley Haven" in memoriam to Ronald Greeley, Regents’ Professor of planetary geology at Arizona State University who died last October.

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?r ... 2012-003#4

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Fake Mission to Mars already underway before our very noses

Mock Astronauts to 'Walk' on Fake Mars After 'Landing'

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Mars500 crewmembers testing their spacesuits out before a simulated journey to the Martian surface.
CREDIT: IBMP/ Oleg Voloshin

An international crew of volunteer astronauts will take their first mock "Mars-walk" today (Feb. 14), kicking their unprecedented 500-day simulation of a mission to the Red Planet into a whole new gear.

The excursion follows the crew's simulated Martian landing on Saturday (Feb. 12). It is the first of three planned Mars-walk simulations during an intensive 10 days of ground exploration. The expedition comes complete with spacesuit-clad astronauts and fake Martian dirt.

For the simulated landing, three members of the six-man crew of the mock Mars mission– an experiment called Mars500 – went through the motions of undocking a lander from their spaceship, plunging through the Martian atmosphere and touching down on the planet's surface – all without ever leaving Earth.

They named their Mars outpost "Gusev Base" after landing.

"Marsonauts are on Mars!" proclaimed the experiment's organizers on Twitter, where they've been posting updates as @Mars_500.

The Martian landing simulation is a major milestone for the Mars500 mission, which began about eight months ago. On June 3, six volunteers – two from Europe, one from China and three from Russia – locked themselves inside a set of connected, windowless modules in Moscow.

The idea is this: Simulate an entire manned mission to Mars, from beginning to end, to better understand the physical and psychological challenges astronauts will face on real deep space journeys. Russia's Institute of Biomedical Problems and the European Space Agency are conducting the experiment, which reportedly costs $15 million.

"The goal is, predict everything we can, prevent anything we can before the mission, detect anything that goes wrong in the mission, and intervene once we've detected it," said David Dinges, a psychology professor at the University of Pennsylvania, in an interview before the landing. Dinges is leading a study attached to the Mars500 project.
The Mars500 Mars Mission Simulator in Moscow, Russia.
An exterior view of isolation facility at the Russian Institute of Biomedical Problems in Moscow, Russia. The facility is host to the Mars500 study that will help us to understand the psychological and medical aspects of long spaceflights. A 105-day Mars simulation was held between March and July 2009, a longer 520-day study began in 2010.
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The mock Mars ship has landed

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On Saturday, Russian physiologist Alexandr Smoleevskiy, Italian engineer Diego Urbina and Chinese astronaut trainer Wang Yue simulated the Mars landing. Their crewmates – French engineer Romain Charles and Russians Sukhrob Kamolov (a surgeon) and Alexey Sitev (an engineer) – remained behind on their Mars spacecraft simulator.

"On this experiment the crew has to deal with a lot of different situations – nominal and off-nominal – like driving a manned vehicle or simulating an EVA," Charles wrote in a mission blog entry on Feb. 10. An extravehicular activity, or EVA, is the technical term for missions in spacesuits.
Mars500 mock Mars mission crew on Chinese New Year
The 6-man crew of the Mars500 mission, a 500-day simulated mission to Mars, poses for a fun photo on Chinese New Year in February 2011.
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Smoleevskiy and Urbina will make the first Mars-walk mission on Monday while wearing Russian-built Orlan spacesuits. The second mission is scheduled for Friday (Feb. 18) and will be performed by Smoleevskiy and Wang. Smoleevskiy and Urbina will stage the final mock Mars excursion on Feb. 22.

Urbina and Wang will also drive a rover on a simulated Mars surface and use its robotic arm to pick up rocks and sensors, Charles wrote.

The next day, Feb. 23, the trio "launches" back into Mars orbit to rejoin their crewmates for the long simulated trip back to Earth.

The Mars500 experiment's ambitious goals have already won accolades for longtime supporters for a manned mission to Mars.

The Mars Society, for example, lauded Saturday's landing simulation and pointed out that a 500-day experiment is actually longer than a real mission to the Red Planet.

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Mars stand-ins on Earth

Simulating crewed missions to Mars or other space destinations is not a new phenomenon. Astronauts and scientists have performed such simulations repeatedly over the years using unforgiving environments including the ocean floor, desert, arctic and Antarctic terrain as stand-ins for Mars.

But when the Mars500 mission is complete, it will be the longest high-fidelity spaceflight simulation in history.

According to the European Space Agency, mission planners have done their best to recreate the minutia of a real Mars mission.

The Mars500 crewmembers are only allowed to shower only once a week and all conversations with their mission control center have a 20-minute time lag to mimic the communications gulf between Earth and Mars, ESA officials have said. The astronauts will each earn about $97,000 for taking part in the experiment.

But just practicing a landing on Mars is not enough. The Mars500 mission crew still has months of isolation ahead during the trip home.

On Feb. 28, the Mars500 crew will load up their "lander" with trash and unneeded items, then abandon the module on March 1, when they are due to leave Mars orbit to simulate the long voyage back to Earth.

The Mars mission simulation will end in early November of this year. By that time, its crew will have undergone about 18 months of isolation inside their Mars spacecraft simulators.

"We need to follow this up with a robust and sustainable multinational effort to send humans to Mars," Zubrin said.

You can follow SPACE.com Managing Editor Tariq Malik on Twitter @tariqjmalik. Senior writer Mike Wall (@michaeldwall) contributed to this report.

"A human mission to Mars with current-day propulsion requires only 180 days in transit each way. The Mars500 crew has endured isolation for a period significantly longer than that," Mars Society president Robert Zubrin said in a statement. "Their success shows the world that a manned crew can readily endure greater isolation challenges than those associated with a piloted Mars mission, thereby putting to rest the notion that human factors could possibly be a show-stopper barring the way to the Red Planet."
Infographic: Mars500 Mock Mission to Mars

http://www.space.com/10848-mock-astrona ... nding.html

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Dcopymope wrote:NASA has to stay relevant to the general public, as we pay for their existence, so to keep the money coming in they have to start making some big paradigm shifting "discoveries" to justify their existence, which we expect will start on Mars with the Curiosity Rover, which is why this thread is titled "The Mars pre-hoax", so it seems to me.
NASA also needs some new program on which to spend the already-budgeted shuttle dollars.
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Oh, great !

Heeeeerrre we go, folks! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


"Italian researcher discovers “great city” on Mars"

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/italian- ... y-on-mars/
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More pre-conditioning for the Mars hoax.
Scientists: Mars 'egg' proof of life

SCIENTISTS claim this egg-shaped object is the final proof of life on Mars after finding it inside a meteorite from the Red Planet.

Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe said the globule from the rock named Tissint is rich in carbon and oxygen and insisted they could only have been produced by living organisms.

He added that they could not have been caused by contamination when they fell to Earth.

Prof Wickramasinghe, 72 — famous for controversial ideas such as that the flu virus and even life itself was brought to our planet by comets — said: "It is impossible to understand how carbon-rich particles of such uniform sizes and shapes got inside a rocky matrix if they are not relics of some algal species.

"Tissint was collected weeks after it fell, and terrestrial contamination seems unlikely. In any case the structures we found were on newly fractured surfaces, from the interior of the meteorite."

The meteorite was named after the village where it came down in the Sahara desert in Morocco last July.

It was probably blasted from Mars when it was hit by an asteroid millions of years ago.

A piece of it was examined at the Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology and Cardiff University.

PhD student Jamie Wallis, who was working with Dr Wickramasinghe, said: "All the indications are that structures such as we have found are evidence of life on Mars.

“The spheres are probably remnants of polysaccharide shells surrounding algal type cells."

In 2009, a NASA team claimed they had photographed Martian organisms inside another meteorite that is kept in London's Natural History Museum.

Their electron microscope showed a bumpy surface resembling a fossilised colony of microbacteria in a rock that fell from the sky in Nakhla, Egypt, in 1911.

The team from NASA's Johnson Space Centre examined the space rock to support their claims in 1996 that Martian bugs had been found in a meteorite, ALH84001, found in Antarctica where it had been lying for thousands of years.

That discovery, which NASA later officially backtracked from, was considered so important that President Clinton addressed the nation on TV.

Earlier this month, another group of scientists claimed that the first two Viking probes that NASA landed on Mars in 1976 discovered life but failed to recognise it.
Right, so lets take a look at the first quote to show just how ridiculous it is to conclude that this rock is conclusive proof that there is or was biological life on Mars in any way shape or form.
Professor Chandra Wickramasinghe said the globule from the rock named Tissint is rich in carbon and oxygen and insisted they could only have been produced by living organisms.
We know these elements exist outside of biological life, so how is this "final proof" of life on Mars or anywhere else for that matter when other types of meteorites also contains tons these compounds without even a hint of biological life? You're going to need a hell of a lot more than just carbon and oxygen for life to thrive anywhere, so this is absolute crap and isn't proof of anything. It should really make you wonder why crap like this is being reported by the media on an increasing basis as if the conclusions they make with these "discoveries" has any credibility. Out of the millions of other rocks that were laying around, they just so happen to find this one little rock that somehow happens to come from Mars. If I may say so, the odds of this happening is close to zero.
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"Could this be the Big Brother house of the future?" :puke:

It does seem we're steadily getting close to yet another awe-inspiring feat from NASA in the latest installment of this "roving" scheme.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18506033

Those enterprising folks in the Netherlands, through even suggesting the possibility of the idea, have circumnavigated any doubts of the feasibility of a Mars-based reality TV show. This self-styled "entrepreneur" (read: fraudster) knows the regular person will see through this "space scam" and the art of it all comes from admitting it's impossible, but appealing to the interests of those slack-jawed fools who watch such slop. To them, it'll be something like Trump's The Apprentice with competition and elimination and heartache and sorrow and--gasp!--even death.

Stay tuned...
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^ "Zero margin for error," the NASA engineers say.

I'm sure that when they perpetrate this hoax on the public everything will work perfectly even though no human will be involved in guiding its "landing" due to the 7 minute communications lag and the fact that there will likely be no prior tests of the complete landing operation.


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E37Ss9Tm36c
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Has anyone seen this silly "Alternative 3" UK programme from the 70s?


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuPII-4cn3E

Reportedly broadcast once only in the UK in 1977, and later in Australia and New Zealand, as a fictional hoax.

I remember seeing a clip of this goofiness played at the end of a TV News programme in Aus as an April Fools' joke back in the late 70s, but never knew it was actually from a full UK spoof production. The tragically funny thing is that it has apparently developed a cult following amongst the lunatic fringe (Moon landing, UFO believers, Illuminutters et al) now convinced it was not a hoax at all! :wacko:

http://www.debunker.com/texts/alternative3.html

http://www.thule.org/alt3.html
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Mars Reality Show $6 Billion – Establishing Permanent Colony By 2023
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A Mars reality show is likely to happen by 2023 because a Dutch company is determined to establish a permanent colony on the Red Planet by spending $6 billion.

The project, called Mars One, plans to drop four astronauts on the planet in April 2023 and none of them will ever return to Earth.

To pay for all of this, the project will stage a media spectacle the likes of which the world has never seen — a sort of interplanetary reality show a la “Big Brother.”
http://www.newsoxy.com/entertainment/ma ... 79043.html

I can hardly wait! :lol:
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