Do You Literally Think There Are Shills Online

[ukrberserker]

The biggest shill of all is Phil "the shill" Jayhan. I'm betting he is in league with the FBI or some other alphabet agency. He bans anyone who doesn't agree with him, or makes him mad. I got banned for telling him he needed anger management classes. People who lie all the time usually get mad every time you disprove their lies. He called me a troll, but I was only on his forum for a couple months, and it was the first 9/11 forum I ever joined. This was the second. I don't need to call people names, I just prove them wrong.

[simonshack]

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This is how our old 'pal' JEFF HILL from Canada (an early enthusiastic September Clues supporter) has "evolved"...


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfQEwxxVyKY

[fbenario]

Perp site 911blogger.

Sidewalk chalking provokes police - Napa Woman Cites Free Speech

http://www.911blogger.com/news/2012-09-23/sidewalk-chalking-provokes-police-napa-woman-cites-free-speech



http://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=3365ad6cb871b7658c835a5c0e0a717d5464b4e7.141966

What the hell kind of ELA is that nonsense? Please. It offends my sensibilities.

[hoi.polloi]

As long as they can show there is some physical 'ground work' being done to promote 9/11 truth, it has a strange effect on the American psyche: it keeps them at home, waiting for a solution from above! One of the stranger effective methods of crowd control is leading the crowd yourself. I guess that's also why we had the Jeff Hill personality contacting "photographers" and ultimately trying to lead investigators to the dramatic discovery that an airplane somehow squeezed into that tightly controlled Pentagon scene! (The hole in the Pentagon is tighter than a Pentagon sphincter.)

This got me thinking: is Brian S Staveley a simulated entity? The spelling on his site is decent enough, but when he appeared on this site, he started hitting keys twice, forgetting to capitalize words and generally his entire text persona disintegrated. He also refers to himself occasionally in the third person on his site - in the title of the show - which could be construed as humor but of what kind? Mocking his own role as a pretender?

His picture also looks a bit peculiar to me. I could be wrong, but it is awkward in more than just the forgivable social appearance of being a friend cut off the picture - reminds me of the paper-doll arms around the vicsims.



I am sorry if this is considered 'in-fighting' by Simon but let me just postulate the following: the perpetrators are finally forced to acknowledge there is a common, layman interest in this research and they are now using actual layman tools instead of just more military base cubical style cyber-attacks. So they have layered their more 'sophisticated' simulation in a coat of 'authentic'-appearing shitty web tools. So they have another front to attack on: enclosing those more free of the simulation into a closed loop - promoting 'September Clues' and controlling a bit of the dialogue around it to eventually lead people - like the Jeff Hill perp entity - to a depressing reliance on more fake stories.

We may suddenly be flooded by 'real witnesses' who declare September Clues to be the closest to the truth, then those 'real witnesses' will go on to describe a Reptillian brotherhood of ridiculousness. Or merely soften people's critical thinking. Et cetera. This could easily have been anticipated by our constantly posting our findings on the wide Internet. Jayhan was one of the earlier ones, and now the Brian S Staveley personality.

Now, please, bear with me. This is just speculation. The horrible accident Brian S Staveley encountered recently could be real or it could be an act. Who cares? As "one born free" opines, it may not be too important just who (or what) is providing good research, but the quality of information should be judged. I agree with this sentiment. But imagine the following scenario: fake people surround and become the best promoters of 'September Clues', and this means the most absurd dramas can be injected into the prosaic, can lead people away from the discoveries of how much is faked daily.

So I think I am going to avoid this kind of promotion-by-others kind of thing now. It doesn't quite feel right yet. I'd like to see more people I see as 'real folks' in it than online entities that give me this feeling.

[brianv]

Thank you for bringing this up Hoi. I'm with you!

[AmongTheThugs]

Similar things have crossed my mind. Glad I'm not the only one.

[Farcevalue]

I have listened to some of the shows. They are full of technical glitches and often don't transpire due to what it seems like life simply interfering. I have the impression that the unrefined nature of the presentation is a result of amateurs learning as they go. Of course, it could be a multi-layered contrivance.

That said, there is a lot of attention giving to subjects like the Jesuits and the Illuminati which can only be counted as conjecture and by passing this information off as fact, links could be developed in the minds of guests that connect September Clues with lizards.

The strength of SC is verifiable proof. I much prefer seeing SC portrayed in the even and professional way that I have seen demonstrated by Ab Irato and Hoi on the Wave Project. (BTW, that broadcast is archived on the KFAI website, and I recorded and archived it, edited w/o commercials or names. Am just not FTP capable yet. I could set up a drop box link for anyone who is interested, I guess.)

[simonshack]

The strength of SC is verifiable proof. I much prefer seeing SC portrayed in the even and professional way that I have seen demonstrated by Ab Irato and Hoi on the Wave Project. (BTW, that broadcast is archived on the KFAI website, and I recorded and archived it, edited w/o commercials or names. Am just not FTP capable yet. I could set up a drop box link for anyone who is interested, I guess.)

Farcevalue,

I recorded it too (and edited out the commercials and some tiny parts - sorry Jimi Hendrix!) just to keep it below the 1-hour line.

Here it is:
HOI POLLOI on KFAI radio: viewtopic.php?p=2378652#p2378652

[Brian S Staveley]

As long as they can show there is some physical 'ground work' being done to promote 9/11 truth, it has a strange effect on the American psyche: it keeps them at home, waiting for a solution from above! One of the stranger effective methods of crowd control is leading the crowd yourself. I guess that's also why we had the Jeff Hill personality contacting "photographers" and ultimately trying to lead investigators to the dramatic discovery that an airplane somehow squeezed into that tightly controlled Pentagon scene! (The hole in the Pentagon is tighter than a Pentagon sphincter.)

This got me thinking: is Brian S Staveley a simulated entity? The spelling on his site is decent enough, but when he appeared on this site, he started hitting keys twice, forgetting to capitalize words and generally his entire text persona disintegrated. He also refers to himself occasionally in the third person on his site - in the title of the show - which could be construed as humor but of what kind? Mocking his own role as a pretender?

His picture also looks a bit peculiar to me. I could be wrong, but it is awkward in more than just the forgivable social appearance of being a friend cut off the picture - reminds me of the paper-doll arms around the vicsims.



I am sorry if this is considered 'in-fighting' by Simon but let me just postulate the following: the perpetrators are finally forced to acknowledge there is a common, layman interest in this research and they are now using actual layman tools instead of just more military base cubical style cyber-attacks. So they have layered their more 'sophisticated' simulation in a coat of 'authentic'-appearing shitty web tools. So they have another front to attack on: enclosing those more free of the simulation into a closed loop - promoting 'September Clues' and controlling a bit of the dialogue around it to eventually lead people - like the Jeff Hill perp entity - to a depressing reliance on more fake stories.

We may suddenly be flooded by 'real witnesses' who declare September Clues to be the closest to the truth, then those 'real witnesses' will go on to describe a Reptillian brotherhood of ridiculousness. Or merely soften people's critical thinking. Et cetera. This could easily have been anticipated by our constantly posting our findings on the wide Internet. Jayhan was one of the earlier ones, and now the Brian S Staveley personality.

Now, please, bear with me. This is just speculation. The horrible accident Brian S Staveley encountered recently could be real or it could be an act. Who cares? As "one born free" opines, it may not be too important just who (or what) is providing good research, but the quality of information should be judged. I agree with this sentiment. But imagine the following scenario: fake people surround and become the best promoters of 'September Clues', and this means the most absurd dramas can be injected into the prosaic, can lead people away from the discoveries of how much is faked daily.

So I think I am going to avoid this kind of promotion-by-others kind of thing now. It doesn't quite feel right yet. I'd like to see more people I see as 'real folks' in it than online entities that give me this feeling.

Excuse me Hoi. Are you serious? It was like 7 or 8 months ago when everyone wanted to doubt me here. You have many people here
who actually listen my show and just the other day even Simon agreed we should not be fighting with each other and I had a really good
grasp on the hoax. I also thanked him for that. Months back the assumption was I would turn on September Clues in the future, which as I said I wouldn't I never
did. Apparently the same can't be said for you. This bullsh%$ you are writing about me now is totally ridiculous and if you want to talk about hurting research or whatever saying I am a fake identity is absurd. How about next time your on the air I'll call in and you can grille me with questions if you
want. YES the spelling on my site may have been better than it was on this forum.Could that have to do with the fact I re-edit my site
to correct mistakes?? You think my picture look like a vicsim pic with the other person cut out???? Well I'll post the original with
all THREE of us in it. If you'd like to see pictures of me at that party dancing and taking pics with other friends I'll be glad to
show you. There are hundreds and hundreds of pics of me, are those all fake?? Really? I have hundreds of more pics of me than I've
ever seen of you. I talk on other shows besides mine and offered a call to anyone who doubts my existence. You sound ridiculous. Would
you like video of me too?? You say this car accident I was in may be a made up story?? Would you like to see the car??? How about the
plates registered to me? What about all my friends on my Facebook page that I converse with? About 500 of them are from my city. I
even have old Jr. High school pictures and class pictures of me. Can you stop with the nonsense? There is heap loads more proof of my
existence than there is of your's out there so you shouldn't be one to talk. Why don't you just call in or call me personally. I'll be
glad to answer any question. Ask anyone on here that has spoken to me if I sounded dishonest or a sim of some sort.I have given my
damn address on the air. I am from Lowell Massachusetts a city of over 100,000 people. Why don't you ask someone that"s my age 35 and
from Lowell if I am a real person.I was going to call into Ab's show the other night but didn't know if it would be a positive or a
negative thing with you guys, I was hoping we could all just discuss 9/11. How long are you going to question my identity for?? The
picture you posted and accused of maybe being a fake picture is from a party that I have A WHOLE ALBUM OF.Why the hell would I make
up a story of being in a car crash?? Well anyways I am going to post pictures of my car since I guess that was fake too. Is Hoi Poloi
even your birth name?? Mine is Brian Scott Staveley. I go by Brian S Staveley on the radio and internet and all my pictures are real
but if you want to waste tons of time on this ridiculous topic I will give you access to THOUSANDS of pics of me. Are they all fakes
too? Anyone that says I'm here causing strife, BUllcrap. This is a BS post by Hoi and if he did his homework he would have seen the
entire shot of that picture. It's not a photoshopped picture. It happens to be of me and two of my best friends, also real, also from
Lowell.You wanna insult my technical issues fine. My grammar, fine. Calling me a fake identity and a picture that is clearly NOT fake
as possibly fake you sound retarded.Why dont you look thru the rest of the album and tell everyone how I fake all the other pics of me
too. The fake videos of me I'd like to hear you explain that too.

Heres the original UNCROPPED pic of the three of us that you say looks fake.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6221_n.jpg

Is this fake too?? Same night.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 6443_n.jpg

Here's my car you say I didn't really crash.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 5162_n.jpg

How about this one?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7921_n.jpg

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7784_n.jpg

HOW ABOUT SOME VIDEO OF ME AT THE CELTICS GAME????? IS this fake too???

http://www.myspace.com/video/ricefoot/celts-1c/48402919

Those are all from about 2009. How about something more recent. These are from about a month or two ago. I guess these are fakes as

well.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 9404_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 0637_n.jpg

Would you like to see me with my fake Black Lab??

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 1519_n.jpg

Is this another Vicsim hug except by me this time?

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 6003_n.jpg

Me at Fenway Park. Wow I really look fake to you?? LOL

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7758_n.jpg

Me and my fake eight grade yearbook picture I guess...

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 5431_n.jpg

Ready for this one? Quadruple Vicsim Hug

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/ ... 6242_n.jpg

This a fake video of me dancing at my Dad's wedding?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=44 ... =3&theater

Fake pic of me drinking Champagne in a limo with my fake friend

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 8609_n.jpg

Is this fake too?

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 4878_n.jpg

Why don't you just call in one night or call my Skype since you doubt me so much. Now I've shown you my cards where are yours??? BTW

there are probably well over 1000 more pics of me on my FB page and I'll accept anyone, so if you have an account here's my page. Have

look. I'd love to see how even one pic of me is fake???

https://www.facebook.com/Ricefoot

That username Ricefoot is also my name on PS3 and XBOX LIVE and has been for years even though I don't play games anymore.
Just the other day I saw A post on here saying we shouldn't be fighting and even after all the bullcrap I decided to reply and say I
really like that, and now this? Now I'm in question? Go ahead Hoi. Go show me which one of these pics are real and which are fake. I'd
love to hear it?

Why would you want to keep questioning someone who has done nothing but put out basically the same message you guys are but never tried to steal your credit or link my name as part of your crew?? We are on the same page and should not be fighting over this dumb sh%4 and again it's me just defending myself here. People question you Hoi but I don't post about it and make ridiculous accusations on OBVIOSLY REAL PHOTOS of you and call them fake!!! Do some homework. I mean you spent 6 months on the Vicsim report didn't you? It wouldn't have taken to seconds to find the original uncropped pic of the one you posted of me. 9/11 was a media fakery job. I think I do a damn good job of simplifying it for new people and bringing others further along. I've offered my number on this site for anyone who wishes to call me, to call. 978 735 2224 or Skype TheRealNewsOnline.

STOP WITH THIS NONSENSE. Again unprovoked by me. No Hoi I'm not looking for friends. I get it. I don't care if you like me but I'm not
gonna sit here while you spread ridiculous lies that 5 minutes of research can prove wrong. My pics are fake you say? They are no
faker than your's man.

Keep it up though. All your doing is giving me attention and driving people to see if I'm real or not by visiting my site and hearing my show. Thank you! FREE ADVERTISING AT CLUES FORUM!!!

Let me know next time your on the radio Hoi so my fake automated voice can call you. I'm sure It'll have a few words for you. Too bad we can't just focus on the 9/11 information. That's what I'm trying to do but now I guess I don't exist. Clever way to keep the media fakery stuff in house. Scare away or discourage anyone who is on board with it AWAY from your forum. You might be fooling many of these guys but your not fooling me. So Everyone what did you think of the pictures and videos of me??? Am I fake or what??? Wow they really went all out with this fake identity!!

Why do you want to continually question me when I've done nothing but good for this cause?? Sorry Hoi but you aren't the 9/11 god. No one is. It happened or more or less didn't happen to all of us. I can talk about it however and whenever I want which is quite often. Call in Wednesday night. Would love to hear your voice. Goodbye old pal.

Brian S Staveley

[brianv]

Hoi sounds retarded? Did you ever read any of your own posts on this forum? Did you ever read any of your own posts on this forum? Who alerted you to hoi's post? You haven't been on the site for ages, as far as I'm aware!

This a fake video of me dancing at my Dad's wedding

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=44 ... =3&theater

[Brian S Staveley]

Yeah Brian V he is retarded. He's calling me a fake identity and saying the pic looks shopped like a vicsim pic and he didn't even bother to look at the EASILY available original with all three of us in it. You've never done anything but bash me either so your words don't mean shit to me.

So Brian answer the question. Look at those pics of me. Do you think I'm a fake identity??

[brianv]

Yeah Brian V he is retarded. He's calling me a fake identity and saying the pic looks shopped like a vicsim pic and he didn't even bother to look at the EASILY available original with all three of us in it. You've never done anything but bash me either so your words don't mean shit to me.

So Brian answer the question. Look at those pics of me. Do you think I'm a fake identity??

I'm not answering any questions!

You answer this question! Who alerted you to hoi's post?

This is not in answer to any question, this is a statement - I dont think you are 100% kosher, whoever you claim to be!

[lynx_land]

As long as they can show there is some physical 'ground work' being done to promote 9/11 truth, it has a strange effect on the American psyche: it keeps them at home, waiting for a solution from above! One of the stranger effective methods of crowd control is leading the crowd yourself. I guess that's also why we had the Jeff Hill personality contacting "photographers" and ultimately trying to lead investigators to the dramatic discovery that an airplane somehow squeezed into that tightly controlled Pentagon scene! (The hole in the Pentagon is tighter than a Pentagon sphincter.)

This got me thinking: is Brian S Staveley a simulated entity? The spelling on his site is decent enough, but when he appeared on this site, he started hitting keys twice, forgetting to capitalize words and generally his entire text persona disintegrated. He also refers to himself occasionally in the third person on his site - in the title of the show - which could be construed as humor but of what kind? Mocking his own role as a pretender?

His picture also looks a bit peculiar to me. I could be wrong, but it is awkward in more than just the forgivable social appearance of being a friend cut off the picture - reminds me of the paper-doll arms around the vicsims.



I am sorry if this is considered 'in-fighting' by Simon but let me just postulate the following: the perpetrators are finally forced to acknowledge there is a common, layman interest in this research and they are now using actual layman tools instead of just more military base cubical style cyber-attacks. So they have layered their more 'sophisticated' simulation in a coat of 'authentic'-appearing shitty web tools. So they have another front to attack on: enclosing those more free of the simulation into a closed loop - promoting 'September Clues' and controlling a bit of the dialogue around it to eventually lead people - like the Jeff Hill perp entity - to a depressing reliance on more fake stories.

We may suddenly be flooded by 'real witnesses' who declare September Clues to be the closest to the truth, then those 'real witnesses' will go on to describe a Reptillian brotherhood of ridiculousness. Or merely soften people's critical thinking. Et cetera. This could easily have been anticipated by our constantly posting our findings on the wide Internet. Jayhan was one of the earlier ones, and now the Brian S Staveley personality.

Now, please, bear with me. This is just speculation. The horrible accident Brian S Staveley encountered recently could be real or it could be an act. Who cares? As "one born free" opines, it may not be too important just who (or what) is providing good research, but the quality of information should be judged. I agree with this sentiment. But imagine the following scenario: fake people surround and become the best promoters of 'September Clues', and this means the most absurd dramas can be injected into the prosaic, can lead people away from the discoveries of how much is faked daily.

So I think I am going to avoid this kind of promotion-by-others kind of thing now. It doesn't quite feel right yet. I'd like to see more people I see as 'real folks' in it than online entities that give me this feeling.

How dare you insinuate Brians accident might have been fake with no proof. He nearly lost his life. The ongoing affects of that are still being felt, I even had to step in and co host a show because his ribs were so badly damaged he couldn't even talk on air for long periods without getting totally out of breath and in pain, and hes a fit guy to begin with.

He has also extended inivations for me and his co host to go and spend time with him, anytime. And believe me, mutiple pictures would be available of this, unlike all these supposed trips to Simons Villa of which photos are hardly conclusive of anything.

What does he have to do, get and post photos of his hospital meal tickets to prove it to you? Forgive him if that wasn't exactly on his mind when he was busy trying not to die, and having to contend with vaccienes being shoved down his throat and all the radiation from the xrays and EEG's and shit like that. But hey it's not good enough right?

Because of all this shit he has hardly been able to get on the radio 30% of the time he would like, I guess that fits into the grand plan though right? Pay someone all that money and they never even get on the air? Makes so much sense man. So much sense.

When we finally realised that LRF was a shill house and Jayhan was a POS, you guys inherited 3 of their best moderators and a radio platform. You should have been greatful! We came over here because, myself after 7 years on LRF and being stabbed in the back, this place seemed like the logical place to turn to. And the reception has been frosty at best. Sure, maybe we were a little over zealus, but we came and posted in the exact threads set up for it, we didn't go making new threads or throwing out weight around.

We finally saw through Phil Gayhan, but you know what, the more and more this happens, the more I start to think the whole feud between LRF and Clues was a SET UP.

I guess this exclusive club is a little too exclusive huh?

RE the show, Justin has never ever said lizards or reptiles did 9/11. He has distanced himself from that as much as anyone could. But people want to know who was behind it. Its no good just presenting the evidence, people have a thirst and hunger for the WHY and the WHO. And Dose of Reality does a great job of Brian taking care of the 9/11, and Justin, though perfectly capable and expert with 9/11, focuses more on his superior knowledge about the illuminati and higher forces. Does he probably get it wrong some of the time, sure. We all do. But embracing being wrong is the only way to get closer to being RIGHT. And this holier than thou attitude here makes it impossible to make ANY progress.

You guys don't know it, just like Phil didn't know it, but you are killing your site. Brian is getting far far more people over to his show from you guys from these constant attacks than you could ever know. You are not doing yourselves any favours at all. So attack away!

RE Brian, we all check this site daily, even if we don't post much anymore. RNO also has hundreds if not thousands of listeners, so when something derogatory is said here about any of us, it doesn't take long to get back to us, kapeesh? Hey, I know I spelt that wrong, but it pisses you guys off.

Also, attacking the spelling is so weak. I just last week published a blong on RNO, and guess what, my spelling was shocking. I didn't even realise. But Brian tidied it up in no time with Web Spell check, and away we went. Im sure you guys know all about spellcheck though, given how anal you are about spelling here. Again making yourselves look silly. No surprises there.

[simonshack]

omg ...

Looks like it's kindergarten time!

I'm certainly not going to fuel any controversies, folks. Let's just get on with diffusing the fact that 9/11 was a media-backed hoax, ok?

[Brian S Staveley]

That's what I thought we were back to. I'm just sticking up for myself on a totally unwarranted and ridiculous attack. Talk to your boy Hoi. He's the Kindergarten teacher here. Kindergarten time started with his post saying I'm ficticious which is bullsh$#. The principal shoulda stepped in then.