9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

[repentantandy]

"Families oppose 9/11 remains at memorial museum, call for hearings on handling of remains"

Yet another manufactured/scripted controversy, to keep the "victims were real" meme functional in the hive mind:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

[MrSinclair]

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The "TRUTH CROWN HEAD"



I thought it was time to have another look at the "TANIA HEAD" affair.

Nice one Simon)

I think these 'fake' stories play another small but quite important role in these modern attempts at brainwashing dramas.

In the days following the Costa Concordia spectacular , the words 'costa' 'concordia' ' hoax' or 'fake' entered into a search engine might have brought you to a thoughtful blog questioning the event, or indeed to the pages of this fine establishment.

With the introduction of the Hungarian fraudsters 'fake' death of woman story however , the words fake fraud and costa concordia, lead to the multiple cul de sac results of MSM coverage of this BS addendum.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2091298/Costa-Concordia-disaster-Trio-Hungarian-fraudsters-tried-fake-death-woman.html

Many people approach stories this way and always will let it go after the first page of google results

Tania Head = turn your head (away...lets us think for you_)?

I think you've nailed it. This is a very effective way to muddy the waters,

[SoCal fellow]

[ADMIN: Warning. Non-vetted. Looks like flattery/propaganda to insist Burnett is a real person. Does this seem like a realistic response to the Vicsim Report and all our research indicating that none of the vicsims were real people?]

Simon and Hoi Polloi, outstanding work, sir! Wow! I only dabble in trying to learn the truth about 9/11, and think that your ‘September Clues’ movie does the best job of laying out the video case for fraud at the WTC.

I find your VicSim thesis plausible and your evidence convincing. Great eyes and brain that you have, to latch onto that.

I found your ‘911 Actors’ movie convincing, too.

I got to know one of the 9/11 victims, Tom Burnett back in ’98-’99, when he worked at Thoratec, a medium-sized medical device company just down the road from my house in Pleasanton, CA. I worked for a large medical device company, Guidant, and we came very close to buying Thoratec in ‘98. Back then, Tom was VP of Sales and Marketing at Thoratec, and I worked closely with him on sorting through ‘due diligence’ questions. Later, I was CFO of a Sacramento startup, and spoke with Tom in ’99 about coming onboard as our VP of Sales and Marketing.

I never met Tom’s wife or children; I was only an acquaintance.

For what it is worth, when I later read about Tom’s background – high school quarterback, hunter, religious – it seemed at odds with the Tom that I had met. Tom was not particularly athletic in look or gait, and seemed a bit of a ‘dandy’: he wore nice clothing, and had a fancy, older-style watch, which I saw him admiring here and there during roundtable discussions.

The photos of Tom in your ‘911 Actors’ video look like the Tom that I had met and interacted with.

Question – what do you think happened to Tom? Was he a ‘plant’ from some years before 9/11? I have little imagination – only logic – and am perplexed.

Keep up the great work!

[ADMIN: Warning. Non-vetted. Looks like flattery/propaganda to insist Burnett is a real person. Does this seem like a realistic response to the Vicsim Report and all our research indicating that none of the vicsims were real people?]

[hoi.polloi]

Nope, that's not going to cut it. We are two different people - not a single "sir", thank you.

Secondly, post extensive proof that you:

a) understand the concept of a digital person
b) are real
c) know and have proof that "Tom Burnett" was real.

I don't buy you.

[SoCal fellow]

I am real. I can point you to my Facebook page. Drop me a personal e-mail.

I worked in the medical device field from '92-'09. I worked for two large companies, Medtronic then Guidant, then three small startups. I worked in finance, marketing, and mergers and acquisitions ('business development').

I led the potential acquisition of Thoratec Corp. by Guidant back in '98. That is when I met Tom.

You can search U.S. Securities and Exchange filings, and see Tom listed as an officer of Thoratec.
http://www.sec.gov/edgar/searchedgar/companysearch.html

Here is their '00 annual report, filed in March '01:
http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/ ... 0-k405.txt

There are no pictures in the SEC filings, but I can tell you that the pictures in your video, '9/11 Actors', are of the 'Tom Burnett' that I met in and worked across the table ifrom in '98, and tried to recruit to my Sacramento startup in '99.

There are at least two public figures who 'perished' in the plane crashes: Barbara Olson and Tom Burnett. Both were 'known' before 9/11.

Do you think they were long-standing plants, with fake marriages and families? Or, were they sacrificied by unloving spouses?

After reading 'JFK and The Unspeakable', Dave McGowan's series on Apollo, and various 9/11 sites, I know that everything is possible.

I think your thesis on VicSims makes great sense, and ties with much of the evidence. I just want to figure out how the two public figures, especially the one that I knew, fit in.

[HonestlyNow]

THOMAS E. BURNETT, JR.*, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT AND CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER,
AGE 37, joined our company as Vice President -- Sales and Marketing in August
1996 and was promoted to his current position in December 1999. Prior to joining
us, Mr. Burnett was Vice President of Sales and Marketing at Sulzer Calcitek,
Inc. from June 1992 to August 1996, where he was responsible for global sales
and marketing which included a direct domestic sales force and an international
network encompassing 30 countries as well as new business development, strategic
and operational planning.

He owned 272,500 shares of company stock.

THOMAS E. BURNETT, JR., VICE PRESIDENT -- SALES AND MARKETING Mr. Burnett,
age 36, joined the Company as Vice President -- Sales and Marketing in August
1996. Prior to joining Thoratec, Mr. Burnett was Vice President of Sales and
Marketing at Calcitek, Inc. from June 1992 to August 1996, where he was
responsible for global sales and marketing which included a direct domestic
sales force and an international network encompassing 30 countries as well as
new business development, strategic and operational planning. Other positions at
Calcitek, included Director of Sales from January 1992 to June 1992 and National
Sales Manager from January 1991 to January 1992. Prior to Calcitek, Mr. Burnett
held a variety of sales and sales management positions for Kendall McGaw
Laboratories, a producer of intravenous solutions, infusion equipment and
parenteral pharmaceuticals.

Thoratec 1998 Annual Report (10K), same as above (1999).

Thoratec 1997 Annual Report (10K), same as above (1999).

Thoratec 1996 Annual Report (10K), same as above, minus a sentence.

[SoCal fellow]

Two things about Thoratec. The CFO, Cheryl Hess, also oversaw administration (HR). She resigned in mid '01, some months before 9/11. I remember, 'How odd.' Thoratec was doing well, and she was capable and long-serving (18 years in the job).

Tom's boss was Keith Grossman. Keith was kind of a jerk; he would have no problem screwing over someone, even a close, long-serving subordinate (I think Tom worked for Keith at a prior company, Calcitek, too). Later, Keith went to work for a private equity firm, Texas Pacific Group, that I would guess has close ties to the Bush cabal.

The 'Tom' that I met was real. He could have been an unknowing sacrificial lamb. Or, he could have been a long-serving plant/patsy, who was ready to be sacrificied when required. I have no idea.

But, he was not a digital creation in the aftermath.

And, I have no idea if 'Deena' is his wife, or not, or what.

[simonshack]

Question – what do you think happened to Tom? Was he a ‘plant’ from some years before 9/11? I have little imagination – only logic – and am perplexed.

Dear SoCal,

Thanks for contacting Cluesforum with your query regarding Tom Burnett, as we understand, a past acquaintance of yours.

As you will know, the combined efforts of our forum members have yielded a body of evidence which overwhelmingly suggests that:

A: There were no hijacked planes /thus there were no dead passengers on 9/11. Tom Burnett (an alleged passenger of so-called "Flight 93" - a proven phantom flight) could therefore not have perished in a non-existing aircraft.

B: No access to the WTC complex was allowed on the morning of 9/11, of course, as it would have been very dangerous for anyone to enter that area. Thus, and fortunately, no office workers would have died or been injured there. As you know, the WTC complex was scheduled to be demolished that day. Of course, demolition companies strongly discourage people to hazard themselves anywhere near such high risk areas.

Alas, regarding your acquaintance Tom Burnett, we are afraid that we're not in any position to help you. We advise you to contact your local authorities for information about this individual. We suggest you also contact Tom's alleged widow, Mrs. Deena Burnett in Little Rock, Arkansas. Here's her Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1636927590

Hoping this information will be helpful, I sincerely wish you - on behalf of all the Cluesforum staff - the best of luck in investigating the disappearance of your former acquaintance, Thomas Edward Burnett.

Apparently, Tom's last words to his wife (via an impossible cellphone call) were: "We're going to do something. I've got to go."

In fact, if you wish to honor your friend's memory, his words should be an inspiration to you: "Do something".

[Human]

"I worked in the medical device field from '92-'09"...........................9+2=11 0+9=9 = 911

[SoCal fellow]

That's funny, that numerology stuff. Me, I just thought that I worked for 17 years in the field, and nothing more.

Next time, I will describe myself with the years '1992-2009.' I see nothing sinister about this range, but do not have the creativity that you do on this numerology stuff!

[SmokingGunII]

With all due respect, guys, I don't think we should pass up the opportunity of questioning SoCal some more. I, for one, believe there were people that existed before 9/11 that reportedly died and it would be reasonable to accept that the "real" characters were given top billing within the 9/11 hoax.

We either take this opportunity to determine one way or another whether there is any substance to Socal's claim sor we can shout "shill" and and not get any closer to the truth

[nonhocapito]

I don't think there's any truth to get closer to there, SmokingGunII. But nobody is stopping you from asking questions or trying to get better answers.

I think your thesis on VicSims makes great sense, and ties with much of the evidence. I just want to figure out how the two public figures, especially the one that I knew, fit in.

Let's suppose for a moment you are telling the truth about Tom Burnett: let's say that it is true that you met this person before 9/11.

Can you really be sure that he died on 9/11? No, you cannot know for sure. On the contrary, there is a lot of evidence indicating that nobody died on 9/11, and I don't see why Burnett's case should be any different.

So I find it very surprising that you would imply that he either died because it was part of his assignment as a patsy, or died because was killed by an "unloving spouse".

This way of arguing tells me that you are not being honest or straightforward SoCal, but rather that you came here with a purpose. The purpose to tell a story between very rigid boundaries that you lay down in advance, so that, whatever the outcome, we must accept the idea that this guy really existed and really died.

Truth is, even if you really had this meeting pre-9/11 with this person, and even if he really existed and exists, he might have faked his own death with the other "known" people and still be around under a fake identity. Or even better, maybe the previous identity was the fake one, and he is now retired to his civilian identity that was waiting for him all this time.

It must be clear that this is all conjecture. We cannot see all the way through there. But like with the story of "David Angell" or "Barbara Olson" I have the impression that much of the "known" status of these people might simply have been retroactively implanted and augmented in the collective subconscious, playing on a few rarefied appearances or mentions of faces and names.

I submit to your certainties that even the "famous" Barbara Olson might have been a faked individual, probably impersonated by an actress on a few limited occasions before 9/11 (if it was even necessary) and then retired. Would it be so hard to do?

[SoCal fellow]

n-h-c-, I agree with your conclusion, that we can only surmise on something like this.

My wife and former bosses always accused me of 'rigid thinking.' It is an advantage in decision-making, and a disadvantage in investigative pursuits, such as this.

It surely is a real possibility that 'Tom' is back living in MN in a small town or on some small island. Maybe he was unmarried when I knew him, making the creation and continuation of an invented spouse much easier. I have no idea.

I have read that 'witness protection programs' give new identities to folks, allowing them to live lives elsewhere. It worked for 'Paperclip' Nazis here in the U.S., also.

I really just wanted to hear conjecture, as I think the possibility of finding the truth, now, is remote-to-nil.

I do look forward to the inevitable failure of our overindebted, overextended government, and the unsealing of the archives related to JFK, Patton, Pearl Harbor, Wilson/House, FDR/Baruch, Apollo, 9/11, etc.

[nonhocapito]

Yes it is a possibility that you met an actor/agent and that now that person is elsewhere under some different identity. However, I think I better make myself a bit clearer: I don't see this as the most likely possibility.

At this stage, knowing what has been researched and discovered, and seeing the attacks of disinformation and infiltration that this forum constantly endures, I think that the most likely possibility is that there never was a Tom Burnett, and that, alas, you are lying to us.

Unfortunately, this seems to me much more likely than imagining actors or agents going around pre-9/11 pretending to be certain key individuals, to impress a limited ring of acquaintances: something that would have added little or no value to credibility of the 9/11 lie.

It is now, long after the fact, now that there are people getting closer to the faked reality of 9/11, that becomes essential to produce these fictitious rings of acquaintances, friends and family around the fake victims of 9/11.

[SoCal fellow]

n-h-c-, folks have pointed out that the lion's share of the VicSims have not been added to the Death Master File. So, there appears to be some hesitancy by the puppeteers to messing with official records.

I pointed out that Tom is listed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings. Someone else showed that he appears in those Thoratec filings for a number of years.

So, either the puppeteers got over their squeamishness of messing with official records. Or, a real or plant 'Tom B.' was in place at Thoratec.