9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.

Postby simonshack on August 27th, 2010, 5:45 pm

godzilla @ Aug 27 2010, 04:11 PM wrote:
Well, they moderated me too much. My replies are not up.

But I see both of your posts Simon.


:huh: :blink:
Anyone else having the same 'problem' posting on "Infowars"?
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Postby MartinL on August 27th, 2010, 6:40 pm

disinfowars.com is heavily moderated and censored. old news.
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Postby fbenario on August 27th, 2010, 9:35 pm

Is this possible vicsim worth any further research?

This image looks to my untrained eyes as if there is a jaw/neck join-line, the head/shoulders look inserted into a random picture, the bicycle appears to have only a front brake, the handlebars don't look like any I've seen (and I've ridden 55,000 miles on my bike since 1996), and the only images of him as an adult that I can find are on bicycles.

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CIA probes British spy murder as it emerges he was sent on frequent missions to Pentagon's high-security listening post

The reclusive maths genius and rumours of cross-dressing and blackmail

‘We nicknamed him the maths genius because he was so clever. He was so naive, he was someone people could easily take advantage of.

‘I wouldn’t have thought he was a very good judge of character and it’s possible he got to know someone who wasn’t very safe. He was so innocent.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -post.html



I'm sorry, but people who are naive don't become spies, who lie for a living.
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Postby Dcopymope on August 28th, 2010, 4:20 am

One guy commenting on the infowars article asks a good question.


elbuggo Says:
August 27th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Why isn’t there a single video from 9/11 that shows the actual or real colour of WTC7? The building was BROWN! In every video I have watch the color of the building has been something else. White, blue, what have you. AND WHY IS THIS? Are all videos rendered on some lousy computer? So why cant we get a video with something close to the real colour of the building? Shitty computers or what? Not even 1 video? Please show me.



He probably looked at Simons “WTC7 STUDY” video. Good job Simon.
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Postby simonshack on August 30th, 2010, 2:58 pm

ADMIN NOTE: I have transferred over here "Snowflake's" musings about "FLIGHT 11 victim" David Angell.
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quote: snowflake
Even though I'm convinced there were no planes, I'm not 100% sure nobody was killed on 911. For example, you have David L. Angell who was apparently on Flight 11. He worked on Cheers and Frasier and won some Emmys. How could he have not existed? Although, his bio says he worked at the Pentagon until 1972. Someone on his imdb message board commented that it was odd that he had worked there. You also have Louis Neil Mariani who was allegedly on Flight 175 and his widow Ellen Mariani says she has never found other families of the victims allegedly on Flight 175. If she was an actress, she wouldn't say that... so if her husband really died, what happened to him? It's all very mysterious.

I've always found it strange that they ended up with approximately the same amount of victims as Pearl Harbor.







quote : simonshack
Just for starters - why does the "famous TV personality" David Angell have two seemingly 'cloned' (ridiculously-similar-yet-obviously-snapped-on-different-occasions) portraits of himself circulating on the memorials? As you know - he's certainly NOT alone in that respect:
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More about NBC's David Angell here:
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=1263122

As for Louis Neil Mariani seems to be alive and well, age 67 (nine years older than in 2001) and still married to his wife Ellen in New Hampshire.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/results.php ... cusfirst=1

Also, take the time to read this sappy obituary. I don't believe for a minute in its authenticity - but that's probably because I'm such a mean, disrespectful fellow... <_<
http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=91702






quote: snowflake
David Angell worked on Frasier, Cheers and Wings. Here is an episode of Cheers from 1986 where you can see David Angell's name at 2:57.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTRUUnd ... re=related

Here's a Frasier episode from 1997 where you can see the three creators' names: David Angell, Peter Casey and David Lee at 0:47.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jswcSdm86ak

Here's a Wings episode from the 1990s where you can also see the three creators' names at 1:47.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cOf0JOV ... re=related

Here's a bit of info from the Emmy's website:

http://www.emmys.com/award_history_sear ... winner=All

Angell won many Emmys for his work on those sitcoms so I'm pretty sure he showed up at the Emmy Awards Ceremonies from 1984 to 2000. The footage should be pretty easy to get.

David Angell's name is mentioned at 1994:

http://www.emmys.com/articles/stellar-61

Nice pictures of David and his wife Lynn:

http://www.angellfoundation.org/content.php?pgID=240

Another picture of David:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/notable.victims/

The 2 hour finale of Frasier apparently included a tribute to David Angell:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 10,00.html

Here's another article where they talk about the tribute:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/4592861



Snowflake,

I thank you for digging up an umpteenth 'charitable foundation' set up in the name of a "9/11 victim":

"The Angell Foundation". http://www.angellfoundation.org/content.php?pgID=240
It is, yet again, an oddly registered website with no easily traceable registrant, hosted by a "domains by proxy Inc". This is another recurring pattern as far as these countless "9/11charity orgs" are concerned.
http://www.whois.net/whois/angellfoundation.org

The rest of your 'findings', Snowflake, frankly fail to provide any solid evidence as to David Angell's existence either way, i.e. either past or current (remember that his TV colleague Barbara Olson appears to have had a face-job and remarried her husband Ted Olson - an exposed 'compulsive' liar). The fact that Angell's name appears here and there, his Emmy award and a few more pictures of the man demonstrate next to nothing - given the extraordinary extent of media trickery and deception we have become familiar with in the course of our 9/11 investigations.

Now, before you post any further on this subject, I think I'm entitled to ask you to address my previous responses to you. I am now referring to the 2 seemingly cloned portraits of David Angell (see above). As you know, our vicsim research initiated with a comprehensive analysis of the "9/11 victims" portraits to be found in the memorials. The continuous emergence of countless 'twin portraits' is an issue which simply cannot be dismissed offhand as 'coincidental'. If you need some 'refreshing' about this crucial matter, please watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llx5BN5I ... re=related

So I will ask you to comment cogently (as opposed to requiring from you an impossible, 'firm explanation') as to why even a man like David Angell - an alleged TV personality supposedly surrounded by photographers/cameramen for decades - would also have a pair of near identical - but more likely fabricated - portraits of himself circulating on the 9/11 memorials.
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Postby simonshack on August 30th, 2010, 4:59 pm

DAVID ANGELL'S older brother

Snowflake: Here are some tips for your further investigations of the Angell character. Let me first tell you that our many diggings into the alleged "911 victims" have often bumped into another interesting pattern: many of the VicSims appear to be 'related' to some influential personnage who has, apparently, just made up a Vicsim brother/or sister for financial gain opportunities. Moreover, we have noticed that these personnages have often been previously involved in one or the other major legal fall-out or scandal. We have thus speculated that their participation in the 9/11 hoax might be some sort of trade-off in exchange for an official 'whitewash' of their wrongdoings.

As mentioned in my post above, there's an enormous and frankly exaggerated number of foundations set up in the name of "9/11 victims". The Angell foundation, for instance, is apparently a major contributor/benefactor to the 18 million "Angell Blackfriars theatre and arts centre".

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http://www.providence.edu/About+PC/Coll ... cation.htm


[broken-img]http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Angell,%20Bishop%20Kenneth%20Anthony.jpg[/broken-img]
http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/aut ... anf-ao.htm
The now retired Most Rev. Kenneth Anthony Angell, is allegedly David's older brother.

I'll stop here - as I said - just a tip-off for further investigations.
I could well be wildly off track here - and overly suspicious of "Blackfriars" and priests involved in major sexual abuse scandals... <_<


Angell has been criticized for his management of sexual abuse allegations during his tenure in the Diocese of Providence, which experienced the longest legal battle over such allegations in the nation and later announced a 13.5 million settlement in 36 different lawsuits in 2002.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Anthony_Angell




Just in case that figure in lower-case didn't quite stand out:
A 13.5 MILLION SEX ABUSE SCANDAL SETTLEMENT?
That's no minor affair, if you ask me.
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Postby D.Duck on August 30th, 2010, 6:03 pm

Guys,

Here is the making of Frasier with David Angell, Peter Casey and David Lee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kISS4W8_ ... re=related

I have not checked when it was aired or when it was made and I can not say 100% it is legit but as of now it looks legit.

What is more interesting is that there was a lawsuit about money so check this out.

Lawsuit May Define "Net Profits"

"A lawsuit filed by two talent agencies against Paramount questioning how the company can claim that the TV series Frasier, which grossed 1.5 billion, is actually 200 million in the red may shed more light on Hollywood's accounting systems."

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0029628/news


This lawsuit was in 2005 and Peter Casey and David Lee did not get a job after 2004 except "The Ultimate Sitcom" done in 2006 by Peter Casey.

It looks like Peter Casey and David Lee was silenced after the lawsuit.

If David Angell, Peter Casey and David Lee are legit and had been in the business from the early eighties, they would have known before 2001 something is not right with Hollywood's accounting systems.

They were involved with the most successful TV-shows at the time "Cheers- Wings and Frasier" and the amount of money they could have been swindled of are enormous.

Was David Angell the first one who complained to his boss? in that case 9/11 would have been a good date to whack him and his wife cos there were hundreds of millions of dollars that could have ended up in the wrong pockets.


There is also a possibility that the David Angell story is backstopped better then all the other stories and he never existed.




D.Duck


Edit: David Angell got an Emmy for " Outstanding Writing in a Comedy Series " in 1983- 1984 http://www.popculturemadness.com/Trivia ... 983-E.html . There must be some pictures from that event in some archives.
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Postby fred on August 30th, 2010, 7:34 pm

I rather doubt that anyone is getting "whacked".

Given that our David Angell presumably has lots of money, used to work at the Pentagon, and has been involved with the media for decades, I would suspect that he's a willing participant in the hoax.

There are a few high-profile celebrities on the plane crash that don't fit the profile of typical vicsims. Remember that Angell's supposedly sitting there on the plane with CNN commentator and wife of President Bush's lawyer Barbara Olson, along with some retired admiral (and a bunch of vicsim-y black children who won a free trip from National Geographic).

Then on one of the other planes we have billionaire Israeli counter-terrorist commando Daniel Lewin.

They needed a couple of big shots along for the ride to help sell the whole script.

I suspect that a slightly-younger-looking man is turning up at all of David Angell's old haunts and enjoying his millions of dollars while retiring from public life.

The perps have a variety of methods at their disposal to create the illusion. It's a mistake to think that the trick they use most often is the only one they've got up their sleeve, imho.

If Steve Buschemi is willing to go running around in a fireman costume and say that he's passing body bags back and forth, I think a former Pentagon media millionaire with some depressing lawsuits and a brother wrapped up in a Pedophile sex scandal might be willing to undergo an identity change.

Just my 2 cents towards NASA's Mars Mission.
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Postby snowflake on August 30th, 2010, 7:36 pm

Fabulous find D. Duck!!!!!!!! :D

You just proved that Angell absolutely existed, without a doubt. I was looking for footage of the Emmy Awards from 1984 up until about 2000 since Angell won 24 Emmys but your evidence is amazing. How could this guy not exist? His name is on every Frasier, Cheers and Wings show and DVD of those shows from amazon.com. They paid tribute to him on the last episode of Frasier. If he didn't exist, that would mean the entire cast of Frasier are liars.

Here's another interesting piece of evidence concerning Carolyn Mayer Beug, an alledged victim of Flight 11. Her Legacy tribute says that she was the producer of Van Halen's "Right Now" video which won an MTV Video Music Award for best video in 1992. So I went on youtube to see if I could find the 1992 MTV VMA awards because most artists when accepting awards, thank the producers, directors and anyone involved with the making of the video. So here is Van Halen accepting the award and thanking Carolyn Mayer and John Beug (husband of Carolyn who talks about her on her Legacy page). It's at around 0:35.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrCnELEj ... laynext=24

and here are Carolyn's Legacy tribute and CNN memorial:

http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx ... location=3

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memori ... /1353.html


Could it be they were killed in some other way?
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Postby D.Duck on August 30th, 2010, 8:21 pm

Fred,

With all respect cos you are the master of figuring out stuff.

At this point I can honestly say I have not a clue what I have stumbled on but if this thing is what I think it is, we are talking billions cos those guys were not the only ones that got swindled.

We are talking most of the productions had false accounting and block buster shows, movies never showed any profit and was settled out of court.

http://msl1.mit.edu/furdlog/docs/latime ... unting.pdf

Its worth looking into this and see where it leads cos if we are talking billions, people get whacked for less if they are stubborn and dont want to settle.



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Postby antipodean on August 30th, 2010, 9:17 pm

You just proved that Angell absolutely existed, without a doubt.



Not really it just means those shows are written by an entity named David Angell. If he received all those awards there should be at least some legit footage of him making some acceptance speech.
Which the PTB would have flooded the internet with by now.

Just because the cast & crew pay their respects to the entity named David Angell, doesn't mean they have all met David Angell the person.
Rock stars offen have their material written by entities, that are given a name but never appear in public.
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Postby brianv on August 30th, 2010, 9:39 pm

Killing a Ghost Writer from a defunct TV series would certainly be a handy way to beef up the numbers and throw in a semi-famous personage at the same time!

What's with billionaires like Lewin and Angell using bucket airlines anyways? Don't they have Lear Jets to go swanning about in?
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Postby snowflake on August 30th, 2010, 10:00 pm

antipodean @ Aug 30 2010, 09:17 PM wrote: Not really it just means those shows are written by an entity named David Angell. If he received all those awards there should be at least some legit footage of him making some acceptance speech.



antipodean, how can you look at the footage provided by D.Duck and not believe David Angell is a real person? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kISS4W8_ ... re=related
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Postby antipodean on August 30th, 2010, 10:18 pm

snowflake @ Aug 30 2010, 10:00 PM wrote:
antipodean 4 Aug 30 2010, 09:17 PM wrote: Not really it just means those shows are written by an entity named David Angell. If he received all those awards there should be at least some legit footage of him making some acceptance speech.



antipodean, how can you look at the footage provided by D.Duck and not believe David Angell is a real person? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kISS4W8_ ... re=related


Up pops some print saying he's David Angell, he's not introduced as David Angell, he hasn't acknowledged he's David Angell.
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Postby simonshack on August 30th, 2010, 11:42 pm

fred 4 Aug 30 2010, 06:34 PM wrote: I rather doubt that anyone is getting "whacked".

Given that our David Angell presumably has lots of money, used to work at the Pentagon, and has been involved with the media for decades, I would suspect that he's a willing participant in the hoax.

There are a few high-profile celebrities on the plane crash that don't fit the profile of typical vicsims. Remember that Angell's supposedly sitting there on the plane with CNN commentator and wife of President Bush's lawyer Barbara Olson, along with some retired admiral (and a bunch of vicsim-y black children who won a free trip from National Geographic).

Then on one of the other planes we have billionaire Israeli counter-terrorist commando Daniel Lewin.

They needed a couple of big shots along for the ride to help sell the whole script.

I suspect that a slightly-younger-looking man is turning up at all of David Angell's old haunts and enjoying his millions of dollars while retiring from public life.

The perps have a variety of methods at their disposal to create the illusion. It's a mistake to think that the trick they use most often is the only one they've got up their sleeve, imho.

If Steve Buschemi is willing to go running around in a fireman costume and say that he's passing body bags back and forth, I think a former Pentagon media millionaire with some depressing lawsuits and a brother wrapped up in a Pedophile sex scandal might be willing to undergo an identity change.

Just my 2 cents towards NASA's Mars Mission.


I can't agree with you more, Fred. But you ain't getting any points for the NASA journey up to Mars - we need you too much/and all of the time - down here!

You'll remember when we were debating - back in the ol' days - about which specific video trickery method was used for the puzzling 9/11 imagery. At the time, my oft reiterated opinion was that more than ONE technique must have been employed.

If you are going to stage a hoax of such massive scale, you wouldn't want to go with one single, particular deception method which, if unmasked, would cause a domino effect knocking down the entire construct in one sweep.

To figure out exactly what happened to the alleged passengers of non-existing airliners is of course an interesting exercise. But, ultimately, it is only just that: an exercise. To unveil by empirical analyses that the archived, verifiable 9/11 imagery was but a crassly animated movie was - thankfully - within our reach. To figure out the precise fate of the purported victims is another matter altogether. I have an idea though: why don't we just contact Philip Berg (Ellen Mariani's lawyer) and ask him why he wasn't able to find any of the other families of the 'passengers'? Hmmm? ;)

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Philip J. Berg and Ellen Mariani

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