9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc

The notion of 'thousands of victims' was crucial to generate universal public outrage. However, having 3000 angry families breathing down their necks was never part of the perps' demented plan. Our ongoing analyses and investigations suggest that NO one died on 9/11.

Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby SoCal fellow on March 14th, 2012, 6:33 pm

Please tell me what, specifically, is fraudulent about that 9/9/01 interview?
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby simonshack on March 14th, 2012, 7:07 pm

SoCal fellow wrote:Please tell me what, specifically, is fraudulent about that 9/9/01 interview?


Dear SoCal,

Let me answer your question: nothing. Barbara Olson perhaps existed before 9/11 - and still does today under a new identity.
Here's another appearance of Barbara Olson, by the way: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF

I personally have no problem envisaging that a handful of 'high-profile' 9/11 victims were flesh-and-blood people which were simply 'disappeared'. I have stated this several times on this forum : http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2349063
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I repeat: "a handful". Not 2900 or so!

For all I know, your acquaintance "Tom Burnett" might be one of this handful of disappeared people. Does this answer your questions?

Now, allow me to ask you one question (or three). Please kindly respond to them - thanks! :

Do you believe Barbara Olson died on 9/11 in "Flight 77", crashing into the Pentagon while on the phone with her husband, solicitor general Ted Olson? Or that Tom Burnett perished in the heroic "Flight 93" - while talking on his cellphone with Deena? David Angell, did he die inside "Flight 11"?
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby nonhocapito on March 14th, 2012, 7:49 pm

simonshack wrote:Barbara Olson perhaps existed before 9/11 - and still does today under a new identity.
Here's another appearance of Barbara Olson, by the way: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF


It is a minor issue, especially since it can not be solved at this stage -- and I certainly don't wanna get in the way of your questions to SoCal: but my gut feeling is that, at most, there were agents/actors who for a short while or occasionally impersonated a few imaginary characters: but those characters never really existed.

Probably I'm wrong but I tend to think that there never was a real "Barbara Olson" born "Barbara Kay Bracher". There never was a "David Angell" married to "Lynn Angell", etcetera.
The characters, like all the other vicsims, are essentially imaginary: only in certain cases they were impersonated or "used" by actors to reinforce the credibility of a particular story. I don't see any impediment in imagining that Olson was really one of these agents/actors, her alleged being "sharp" or "convincing" according to SoCal proves nothing in this sense.

Certainly I am not 100% convinced of this, as it is a gut feeling which is not really being driven by definitive clues. It mostly comes from the cumulation of bad quality portrait images, scarcity and standardization of biographical notices, and other incidental details, like the birthday of "Theodore Olson" being 11th september 1940. Too little rings true, too much rings false around these stories... And there are other significant circumstances: for instance the fact that all appearances of Barbara Olson, like the terror attacks of Al-quaeda pre 9/11, are documented in the years very close to the date of 9/11, in other words just in time to impress in the public eye a certain reality, with the less effort possible before the public forgets again.

To sum up, my impression is that there is not a "Barbara Olson" still out there today under a new identity, but rather an agent who, at a certain moment of her disgraceful career, impersonated that fictitious character.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby SoCal fellow on March 14th, 2012, 9:05 pm

"...Do you believe Barbara Olson died on 9/11 in "Flight 77", crashing into the Pentagon while on the phone with her husband, solicitor general Ted Olson? Or that Tom Burnett perished in the heroic "Flight 93" - while talking on his cellphone with Deena?..."

Certainly the phone calls did not happen (the FBI admitted such at Moussaoui's trial). And, your video evidence of fakery throughout 9/11 leads me to doubt if many, or any, people died that day. Your VicSim thesis looks quite plausible.

I think the reports of Barbara Olson being alive, and on the lamb in Europe, may be true, given the evidence that you have pieced together and the 'disinformation' counter reports.

There certainly is lots of evidence from your work that leads me to question, and really doubt, whether Barbara or Tom died on 9/11, Simon.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby SmokingGunII on March 14th, 2012, 9:48 pm

I seemed to have lost an earlier post where I stated that IMO, there were a small gropu of "real" people that "perished " on 9/11. These included; Barbara Olson, Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham and Tom Burnett, Father Judge, amongst others.

I believe that all of these have since resurfaced under a new ID and are protected much like the witness protection programme in the US.

Olson moved in the right circles, both politically and through the media to have been part of the bigger picture. My biggest concern having watched the video Antipodean posted in it's entirety, is that she doesn't appear to look like somebody who knows that, in two days time, they will disappear, undergo plastic surgery and resurface a few years later.

I was one of the first people at 911M to notice the similarity between Barbara Olson & Lady Booth. Even today, their features remain constant, even though eye and nose shape has changed. Video enables us to compare mannerisms, something surgery can't erase and whilst I cannot say for certain the two women are one and the same, I remain firmly in the "very possible" camp.

So, how do we determine who Olson was? She purportedly married Ted in 96. Records must exist of this marriage. Similarly, she was reportedly a lawyer. What type of law did she practice and are there historic records of the cases she handled? Let's see if she has a back story. remember, she was a high profile woman, with a high profile job. There must be evidence of her life pre- Ted Olson, if she was more than shadowy agent playing a role?

Wickedpedia tells Ted Olson has been married 4 times, yet lists only Bracker and Booth. Why? Perhaps we should investigate Theodore himself and try to determine how he rose to the position of Solicitor general and Bush confidant?

As a body of research, this forum will attract more and more people over the coming years - possibly claiming to have known somebody that "died" on 9/11. To date, Socal has not posted anything that makes me doubt his word. He doesn't claim the man died on 9/11, but suggests he wasn't an actor and I agree with that position. I think these people probably did exist and worked for companies that employed agents, whether CIA or Mossad or some other black ops.There is no reason he would have a photo of Burnett. I have worked with hundreds of people and socialised with many of them, but I don't have one photo of them. This, of course, would be much harder to do today with camera phones and "social" networking, but of the people I work with on a regular basis, I still DON'T have ONE photo of them! However, if I had footage of the 2nd plane hitting the towers, you can bet I would have uploaded it up many years ago!

I have suggested before that the reason the perps made so many mistakes on 9/11 was due to the event being brought forward due to up and coming consumer technology. 9/11 couldn't have been pulled off today because of camera phones and the like.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby simonshack on March 14th, 2012, 10:19 pm

nonhocapito wrote:

To sum up, my impression is that there is not a "Barbara Olson" still out there today under a new identity, but rather an agent who, at a certain moment of her disgraceful career, impersonated that fictitious character.


Dear Nonho,

I edited my last, hastily written post to change my "probably" to "perhaps" (that is, perhaps Barbara Olson existed as a flesh-and-blood person before 9/11). As I see it, we must remain cautious as to any statements we do in the context of this research - lest any inaccuracies be used to nitpick on its basic notion, which is : no one was killed on 9/11.

To be sure, your take on exactly "what the Barbara Olson entity was" seems to me quite plausible - and also the most likely. However, I think that (at this advanced stage of our VicSim research) we can well 'afford' to leave the doors open to alternative scenarios regarding a select handful of alleged "9/11 victims" - as to their disappearance from public view. It really doesn't matter all that much, in my view, whether the total number of completely fictitious 9/11 victims was 2996 (as stated by Wickedpedia ) - or 2960...
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby SoCal fellow on March 14th, 2012, 10:35 pm

To my eyes, there are meaningful differences between Lady Booth and Barbara. But, that is just my fallible judgement.

Barbara had a German maiden name, went to a Catholic college, and to a D.C.-based law school. That seems like an Illuminati background.

Illuminati marriages are arranged. Ted -- multiple marriages, high profile, sans scruples -- looks like Illuminati material, too.

I would guess that Barbara is living elsewhere under another name. Just a guess.

However, if Lady Booth is Barbara, please get that plastic surgeon's name, because he made one heck of an improvement (no more buck teeth or overbite).
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby hoi.polloi on March 14th, 2012, 11:34 pm

I think it's just as likely that they put funds into creating a fictitious entity that can "enter" and "exit" our real world on the whims of the military/unintelligencia. I don't see a need for real "vicsims". Just actors claiming they knew them. That could be the whole "joke"/display of propaganda prowess, I would guess.

But as it has been said before, we cannot know until much more information is laid out for us or discovered by us.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby antipodean on March 15th, 2012, 10:15 am

This comment by SG2 pretty much sums up what I thought when watching that C-span recording.

My biggest concern having watched the video Antipodean posted in it's entirety, is that she doesn't appear to look like somebody who knows that, in two days time, they will disappear, undergo plastic surgery and resurface a few years later.


I find this footage of Babs' tirade against the Clinton administration also quite revealing (17 minute mark),
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/WomensF

She appears to have an obsession against Bill Clinton, the words she uses to describe Clinton et al, could equally be used to describe her beloved Dubya's administration.
Then she follows this up with her book slagging off Hilary. Gee those Clintons must have been rapt about her death.

Maybe Babs was a high level Neo Con insider recruited by Ted, to act as a spokes person to get rid of Clinton thus discrediting the Democrats. Then maybe she took up an offer of becoming a celebrity 9/11 victim on AA77.

Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?

The Republicans were obviously keen to get rid of Clinton. But if he'd done a Nixon and resigned whilst still in office, I presume Al Gore would have become president which could have back fired on the Republicans in the 2000 election. Clinton a 2nd termer couldn't stand for re election anyway.

Perhaps Monica Lewinsky was used to discredit the Democratic party (via Clinton), paving the way for a Republican victory in 2000 which in the end only happened because of Florida.
He was becoming a bit of a thorn to the Plans of the Neo Cons, he often referred to Carol Quigley (publisher of 'Tragedy & Hope) as a mentor
In the video below at the 2 minute mark, he's even quoted as questioning the moon landings.
(Not that I want to defend the Clintons because they're also as dodgy as fuck)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-laeKljTo

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX-laeKljTo
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby hoi.polloi on March 15th, 2012, 7:43 pm

Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?


Yes. It was clearly in the planning for years. Why would the figurehead of America make a difference? Gore still benefits from the whole charade and continues to sell his DVDs to the masses.

I respect your view man, but I think you are getting too caught up in the stage play.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby nonhocapito on March 16th, 2012, 12:12 am

hoi.polloi wrote:
Although I'm aware that the Republican Democrat rivalry is just a dog & pony show, would 9/11 have been carried out had Al Gore won the 2000 election ?


Yes. It was clearly in the planning for years. Why would the figurehead of America make a difference? Gore still benefits from the whole charade and continues to sell his DVDs to the masses.

I respect your view man, but I think you are getting too caught up in the stage play.


I agree, it would have happened anyway. But it seems clear that things simply had to go according to plan, it was too important.

The whole Lewinski campaign -- and the whole "stealing of the elections" in 2000 were probably a necessary show, to impart to the American public two lessons in one:
The new Bush presidency is going to be at the same time inevitable and yet dramatically unprepared to rule.

These characters of the Bush presidency were going to be very important to justify to the American public the fact that America was caught "unprepared" on 9/11, and yet to argue, quite illogically, that from that moment on there was no alternative but to trust these unprepared and clearly immoral rulers.

"Lower your moral expectations" could have been the subtle message.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby revolutionphase1 on March 16th, 2012, 12:23 am

I have some information. :ph34r:

I recently was reminded about a book my step-mom had tucked away. It's called "One Nation" by Life Magazine. (reasearch it) It was published December 2001. It has a introduction by Rudy Guliani, where he states on the first page over 5,000 people died. (obvious miscount)
Even more though, the pattern used for the inside of each book cover, is the "Missing" posters, posted by the families who lost loved ones at the WTC.

Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings. On these posters, in this book, they blatanly have phone numbers on every picture saying PLEASE CALL IF YOU FIND etc etc. So........................i called. Why not right its fricking 2012 already nobodys doing crap. The first number was disconnected, the second number..."Hello?". At that point i realised, i was on the west coast, and it was probably 1 a.m where this person was. But they picked up. It was an older sounding lady, i'm telling you i really did sense some sadness in her. I told her i was doing a project and wanted to ask some questions and she told me to NEVER call back here again. Click.

The next person i texted and the next day got a reply saying who is this? Gave the same story, more details, waiting for a response.

So what are these phone numbers?? I picked young people, thinking i would get a greiving parent. And it seems like i did. Could this just be someone who is paid to anwer every call and tell them to never call back? For 10+ years? Easy job.

I'm 100% not denying the Empty Building Thoery i'm all for it, i just need help investigating these supposed phone numbers.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby nonhocapito on March 16th, 2012, 12:35 am

revolutionphase1 wrote:It's called "One Nation" by Life Magazine. (reasearch it) It was published December 2001. It has a introduction by Rudy Guliani, where he states on the first page over 5,000 people died. (obvious miscount)
Even more though, the pattern used for the inside of each book cover, is the "Missing" posters, posted by the families who lost loved ones at the WTC.

Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings. On these posters, in this book, they blatanly have phone numbers on every picture saying PLEASE CALL IF YOU FIND etc etc. So........................i called. Why not right its fricking 2012 already nobodys doing crap. The first number was disconnected, the second number..."Hello?". At that point i realised, i was on the west coast, and it was probably 1 a.m where this person was. But they picked up. It was an older sounding lady, i'm telling you i really did sense some sadness in her. I told her i was doing a project and wanted to ask some questions and she told me to NEVER call back here again. Click.

The next person i texted and the next day got a reply saying who is this? Gave the same story, more details, waiting for a response.

So what are these phone numbers?? I picked young people, thinking i would get a greiving parent. And it seems like i did. Could this just be someone who is paid to anwer every call and tell them to never call back? For 10+ years? Easy job.

I'm 100% not denying the Empty Building Thoery i'm all for it, i just need help investigating these supposed phone numbers.


Thanks for suggesting the book. I looked it up on Amazon, here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/One-Nation-Americ ... 0316525405

One can browse a few of the initial pages, including the missing posters and were Giuliani says there were 5,000 victims.

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So, interesting.

That said, I think you used these easily verifiable details about the book to sell us a very phony story. I'm not buying your phone calls. Your account is strangely laconic. You called an old woman with sadness in her voice and she told you to never call back. You skipped the part in between. Did she tell you she was a relative of a 9/11 victim? Which victim would that be? Which numbers you called?

I also don't appreciate this remark of yours "Yet the theory is that nobody was even in these buildings." Do you think that a couple of pictures on a book are challenging in any way the astonishing amount of clues indicating that the identities of the 9/11 victims were forged? Do you have any familiarity with September clues or the Cluesforum?

Last but not least: you are required to introduce yourself, please do so here: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=838 Thanks.
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Re: 9/11 Memorial Scams, Vicsims, Etc

Postby nonhocapito on March 16th, 2012, 12:53 am

Just a detail I noticed from that cover:

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What wizard-vicsim is this one? :P
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