The Empty Towers

[hoi.polloi]

Yes, that does sound like a way a scam like 9/11 might unfold.

[bostonterrierowner]

Its me again

I compared FOIA list with Steve Warren's fake company list. Thats what I figured out. The first after 93 came banks , MSM and generally real entities with revolving door top management. What am I implying? These people knew that in the future towers will be used as a giant money making scam , maybe not that giant as actual 9/11 but they were ready. So fake office space were leased. Than they came up with BS companies such as MEIXIANG NEW YORK INC. withh leases starting in 1997 , 1999. Back than they knew what would happen so they packed the buildings on paper getting ready for VCF and BCF. That would explain a lot . What wee need now is another list , the one showing cancelled agreements . I cant ask for it as an alien but you guys can , than we will know everything. Lets do it until Freedom of Information Act still stands

regards

[bostonterrierowner]

These are my results of comparing fake companies with lease start dates:

WTC 2:
1.
8. First National American Financing 15, 22- 1996
9. James T. Ratner 15- 1998
12. TD Waterhouse Investor Services 15, 24 -2000
13. Millenium Management Resources 15- 1999
15. Costa Rican Investment & Development Board (CINDE) 15 - 2000
16. Meixiang New York Inc. 18 - 1997 , 1999
22. Level 3 Communications 18 - 2000
26. Master's Container Line, Inc. 18 - 1999
28. Abad Constancio & Mallonga 18 - 1999
30. EC Speed Corporation 18 - 2000
34. Charoen Pokphand (USA) Inc. 21- 1997
37. Matthews & Wright 21 - 1996
41. First National American Finance 22 1996 ,1998
42. Lucid Technologies Group, Inc. 22 - 2000
43. Antal International Inc. 22 - 1998
44. Marriott International 22 - 1999
46. CBL Worldkey LLC 22 1999
47. PNC Mortgage Corporation of America 22 - 2000
50. Aura, Inc. 22 - 2000
52. Hui Min Yang Ji 24 - 1998
56. Standard Buying Service, Ltd. 24 - 2000
57. Sun Microsystems, Inc. 25, 26 - 1999
60. Xintra Institute of Technology 28 - 1999
61. Royal Indemnity Company 28- 2000
62. Demsey, Myers & Company, LLP 28 - 2000
64. Hua Nan Commercial Bank 28 - 2000
66. US Fire Insurance Company 30 - 1998
74. Dow Jones Telerate Systems 57, 58- 1983
76. Baseline Financial Services, 77 - 1998
83. New York State Office of General Services 86, 87, 110 - 1998
88. Regus Business Centre Corporation 93 - 2000
89. Yamaichi International (America) Inc. 95 - 1991
90. GTE Telecom - 1998


1996 is really the time when these fakes start showing up in WTC 2 , then it starts raining them in 1999 , 2000. IS 1996 a date when they finally made up their minds on 9/11?
who knows?

dow jones systems and yamaichi dont fit my puzzle with 1983 and 1991 but maybe its Steven Warran's mistake . I will look into it later.

regards

[SmokingGunII]

bostonterrier - your conclusions mirror mine. '93 cleared the towers of pesky legitimate companies and facilitated those that were part of the future plan as well as those "ghost" companies that only existed on a piece of paper.

Asbestos content was one of the major reasons to bring the towers down by "terrorism". The cost to upgrade the towers was uneconomical so why not get the poor old US of A taxpayer to pay the bill?

[bostonterrierowner]

Glad to hear iy SGII

Here come the results for WTC1:

BAND-X INC. 1WTC 91- 1999

SMART WORLD TECHNOLOGIES 1WTC 91 - 1998

PASS CONSULTING CORPORATION 1WTC 90 - 2000

SUMITOMO MARINE REALTY (USA) 1WTC 90 - 1999

CLEARSTREAM BANKING 1WTC 90 1995

BARCLEY DWYER 1WTC 89 - 1999

BROAD U.S.A. LTD. 1WTC 89 - 1998

I 3 SHOP, INC. 1WTC 87 - 2000

SYBASE, INC. 1WTC 87 - 1998

LT LAWRENCE & CO.,INC. 1WTC 87 - 1998

JULIEN J. STUDLEY, INC. 1WTC 86 - 1999

LEVEL 3 COMMUNICATIONS 1WTC 86 and 33- 2000

THERMO ELECTRON CORPORATION 1WTC 85 - 2000

FOREX TRADING, INC. 1WTC 85 - 1999

S&P INTERACTIVE SYSTEMS, INC. 1WTC 84 - 1998

GENERAL COMMUNICATION CORP. 1WTC 84 - 1996

LUCKY SECURITIES AMERICA, INC. 1WTC 84 - 1995

BLUE STAR LINE (NORTH AMERICA) 1WTC 84 - 1994

NEW CONTINENTAL ENTERPRISES (U 1WTC 81 - 1997

INTRUST INVESTMENT REALTY CORP 1WTC 80 - 1997 , 1998

[Why is "Alliance Business Centers" leased to INTERNATIONAL OFFICE CENTERS 1WTC 79? D & B to International Office Centers Corporation] - 1998

ATL PRODUCTS, INC. 1WTC 78 - 2000

JIM THOMPSON & CO., INC. 1WTC 78 - 1999

FIRST FINANCIAL FUNDING 1WTC 78 - 1999

NEW MILLENIUM SOFTWARE, INC. 1WTC 78 - 1999

GE TECH, INC. 1WTC 78 - 1998

BARRON CHASE SECURITIES, INC. 1WTC 78 - 1998

GOURMET FOOD ASSOCIATES, LLC 1WTC 78 - 1998

Is KOREA LOCAL AUTHORITIES FOUNDA 1WTC 78 [as Korea Local Government Center, Inc.?] - 1996

VORTEX TRADING, LLC 1WTC 77 - 2000

ALLIANCE CONTIN CARE NETWORK 1WTC 77 - 1999

THRESHOLD CAPITAL MGMT. LLC 1WTC 77 - 1999

JUN HE LAW OFFICE, LLC 1WTC 77 - 1998

STONEHENGE PARTNERS LLC 1WTC 77 -1998

LESZEK BIELA D/B/A BIELA INT'L 1WTC 77 - 1997

BROWN & WOOD, LLP. [as Sidley Austin Brown & Wood LLP] - 1999, 1998

BROADVIEW NETWORKS, INC. 1WTC 53 - 2000

AFX NEWS, LTD 1WTC 52 - 2000

TRINITY CO. (N.Y.), INC. 1WTC 52 - 1999

THE WILLIAMS CAPITAL GROUP, LP 1WTC 52 - 1998

HUBEI INTERNATIONAL 1WTC 52 [as Humei International USA] - 1998

OKASAN SECURITIES CO., LTD 1WTC 52 - 1999

CLEARFOREST CORP. 1WTC 47- 2000

THE LAW FIRM OF TANG & ASSOCIA 1WTC 47 - 1997

FIRST UNION SECURITIES, INC. 1WTC 47 - 1993

HITACHI SOFT ENGIN AMER LTD 1WTC 46 - 2000

WORLD NEWS & MEDIA GROUP, INC. 1WTC 46 -2000

TELLIGENT ADVISORS, LLC 1WTC 46 - 1999

NYS & LOCAL EMP. RET. SYS. 1WTC 46 -1999

KADING COMPANIES, S.A. 1WTC 46 - 1998

CHENGDU SHUANGYANG CO. GROUP, 1WTC 46 - 1998

MELVIN MAUSKOPF D/B/A JUSTHOLL 1WTC 46 - 1998

ECO J TRADE CORP 1WTC 46 - 1998

T & T ENTERPRISES INT'L INC. 1WTC 46 - 2000

SCI (US) INC. 1WTC 46 - 1997

SIESFA INTERNATIONAL CORP. 1WTC 46 - 2000

KISCO CORPORATION (USA) 1WTC 46 - 1997 , 1999

DAHAO USA 1WTC 46 - 1998

J & X INTERNATIONAL CORP. 1WTC 46 - 1998 ,1999

SAKURA INSURANCE AGENCY 1WTC 45 - 2000

FEKA CONSTRUCTION, INC. 1WTC 45 - 2000

S&P INTERACTIVE SYSTEMS, INC. 1WTC 45 [unless it's S N P America Inc.] - 1999

DUNAVANT COMMODITY CORP. 1WTC 45 - 1999

CORDOBA TRADE CENTER 1WTC 45 - 1998

CHINA CONSTRUCTION AMERICA INC 1WTC 45 - 2000

RLI INSURANCE COMPANY 1WTC 40 - 1998

LEHMAN BROTHERS 1WTC 39

FIRST LIBERTY INVESTMENT GROUP 1WTC 39 - 1999

GOVERNMENT OF THAILAND 1WTC 37 1999

ABS, INC. 1WTC 33 - 1999

FLEXI-INTERNATIONAL SOFTWARE 1WTC 33 - 1988

BANCO LATINOAMERICANO DE EXPOR 1WTC 32 - 2000

GARBAN INTERCAPITAL SVCS, LLC 1WTC 26 - 1997 , 2000

[D&B lists six "Garban" companies, but no "Garban-Intercapital"] -

AMERINET TELECOM. GROUP, INC. 1WTC 22 - 2000

SCPIE HOLDINGS, INC. 1WTC 22 - 2000

GLOBAL CONTROL SYSTEMS, INC. 1WTC 22 - 1999

MLU INVESTMENT GROUP 1WTC 22 - 1997

FARENCO (U.S.A.) INC. 1WTC 22 - 1996 , 1999

ICZ, INC. 1WTC 22 1997

WOLFE CONSULTANTS, INC. 1WTC 22 - 1999

TELEGLOBE 1WTC 22 - 1997

Well , again these fakes start showing up in greater numbers in 1998 ,1999 , 2000. There are some as early as 1994 , 1995 . Flexi doesnt fit my picture but again it maybe steve's little mistake , he put Lehman Brothers on the list.

regards

[regex]

I'm stuck with the idea of empty towers too.

Why would the perps care if people die or not? They are such good people or what?

[simonshack]

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'DIVIDED WE STAND' by Eric Darton (1999)


***
An interview of Eric Darton on Business Week:
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnf ... 5_9477.htm

Eric Darton published in 1999 the most comprehensive 'biography' of the WTC twin towers. It is an essential read for insights into how the towers' tenants might have been 'controlled' - so to speak - after the first 1993 "Al-Qaeda" bombing. 'Divided We Stand' is also a treasure trove for anyone interested in the wheelings and dealings that - historically - have characterized these most cumbersome and disliked buildings.

I have synthesized the most interesting facts listed in the book; here they are - followed by selected extracts of "Divided We Stand":

1- THE TOWERS WERE A SHAMBLES FROM THE WORD GO:
"In 1985, when New York State moved most of its offices out, Dean Witter consolidated its operations in twenty-four floors of Tower 2 under a twenty-year lease. Visiting the brokerage and investment firm's offices and cafeterias, one invariably found them spotlessly maintained. But on adjacent floors, particularly those with multiple tenants, the paint was dingy, the carpets were stained, fixtures remained broken, and burned-out fluorescent lights went unreplaced, as did discolored ceiling tiles. And the listing of a company on the directory did not reliably indicate that a company was still there."

2- FOLLOWING THE 1993 BOMBING, 50,000 workers were displaced and 350 tenants were RELOCATED OUTSIDE THE WTC.
"The February 1993 blast in the basement of the World Trade Center killed 6 people, injured 1,000 others, displaced 50,000 workers, and threw 900 Vista Hotel and Windows on the World employees out of work, but it also provided a modest boost for the regional economy. This, at any rate, was the conclusion the Port Authority came to in an April 1993 report released six weeks after the bombing. (...) For the agency, this silver lining was due in part to the ease with which the 350 bombed-out trade center tenants could be moved into abundant vacant office space nearby."

3- AT THE END OF THE 90'S HUGE QUANTITIES OF OFFICE SPACE WERE ANNOUNCED RENTED - BY THE PRESS
"The Port Authority closed out the 1990s with a stream of press releases announcing the rental of unimaginably huge quantities of trade center office space to "cutting-edge" firms like Sun Microsystems. Yet around the complex a million square feet stood empty, and the buildings originally intended as great catalyzing chambers of world trade were, by degrees, transforming into a kind of disjunctive real estate layer-cake. One story above the carpeted, wood-paneled offices of a Japanese securities firm, a group of artists filled bare walls with boldly colored images and hung sculptures from the exposed ceiling girders of a vast echoing cavern. As part of a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council program that turned some of the vacant space in the towers over to artists rent-free, 40,000 square feet of concrete floor lay paint-spattered and strewn with the raw materials of a creative urge that has never been easily reconciled with the imperatives of a bottom line. "

Btw, here's the link to a cluesforum thread where we discussed these issues last year: http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.ph ... 7&start=15

In any case, let this previous post by our member Brutal Metal be an inspiration to all - in order to overcome this myth:

Brutal Metal wrote:
I thought during the 90's the Twin Towers and the businesses and institutions housed within was considered the Heart/Mother Brain of All the Worlds Financial markets with companies all over the world taking up office space there??

The myth that the towers were still bustling with office workers in 2001 was obviously upheld by the handful of 'post-1993' tenants, all complicit with the upcoming 9/11 hoax.

[reel.deal]

" ...the Heart/Mother Brain of All the Worlds Financial markets... ?? " [quote]



http://www.lmcc.net/residencies/workspace/past_sessions/world_views

" These pictures are from the 91st floor during the summer of 2001. Where are the American Bureau of Shipping,
New Japan Securities International, Fukong Securities, Smart World Technologies, and Band-X, Inc., all of whom
are supposed to have leases on the 91st floor according to the Port Authority of NY/NJ ? "

[nonhocapito]

Eric Darton published in 1999 the most comprehensive 'biography' of the WTC twin towers. It is an essential read for insights into how the towers' tenants might have been 'controlled' - so to speak - after the first 1993 "Al-Qaeda" bombing. 'Divided We Stand' is also a treasure trove for anyone interested in the wheelings and dealings that - historically - have characterized these most cumbersome and disliked buildings.

From Divided we stand:

YAMA, ARCHITECT OF TERROR

The World Trade Center was Yamasaki's most prestigious, highly visible commission. Its would-be levelers were, presumably, a band of terrorists who packed a van with explosives and detonated it in the basement garage. Their intention was to blow out the supporting columns along one wall of Tower 2, causing it to keel over and topple against its twin. Yamasaki had engineered his towers to withstand the force of a 747 shearing into them-the nightmare scenario of an earlier, more "innocent" era-and though shaken by the February 1993 blast, his squared-off tubes remained standing. Six people died, but scores of thousands might have if the columns had failed. Though the terrorists had used sufficient explosives to do the job, according to Eugene Faso, the Port Authority's chief engineer, they had built "the wrong kind of bomb."

So, Yamasaki was a bad designer, wasn't he. Lucky bastard died in 1986 and never got caught... but I guess his bad designs were popular in the world of terrorists, if the Torre Picasso in Madrid, also designed by Yamasaki, was also planned for demolition with explosives by a group of terrorists.
From Wickedpedia:

Shortly after 9/11, ETA allegedly confirmed that in 1999 they had planned to demolish this skyscraper using the 1,700 kg of explosives loaded into two Madrid-bound vans intercepted that year near Calatayud (Zaragoza) by the Spanish Civil Guard

[fbenario]

Why would the perps care if people die or not? They are such good people or what?

As you know by now, EVERY contributor to this forum is obligated to familiarize himself THOROUGHLY with Simon's work on the September Clues site. This quote is from Simon's basic introduction.

THE RATIONALE OF THE 9/11 HOAX

If you have come to terms with the fact that 9/11 was a massive money-making scheme and - of course - a pretext to wage hugely profitable wars, the basic rationale behind this Grand Deception should, hopefully, become clearer. It is essential to consider all the variables which such an audacious false-flag operation would entail and what precautions its plotters must have observed: The Grand Deception plan was undoubtedly meant to be foolproof and, ideally, free of unnecessary elements of risk and opposition. There was simply no rationale for the 9/11 plotters to commit a mass murder of some 3,000, mostly white-collar professionals (brokers, bankers, financial analysts, etc.) whose families would likely have access to first-rate, ‘uptown’ legal assistance. Surely, killing that many people would have been an utterly senseless, self-inflicted aggravation on the part of the perpetrators. Since they could reliably rely on the fully compliant ‘top-brass’ of the mainstream media, they would have used this unique, exclusive asset to its full potential.

Ever since day one, the major hurdle for many people to even start considering 9/11 being an ‘inside job’ has been: “I can’t believe my own government would murder 3000 of their own people". Once that psychological obstacle is removed, it should become apparent that the whole operation consisted essentially of a covert demolition of a redundant, asbestos-filled building complex. To kill thousands of people in the process never was an envisaged proposition as it would have encountered severe resistance among the insiders involved. The second objective was to blame this destruction on a foreign enemy; an inanely fanciful, outlandish tale involving hijacked airliners used as missiles was concocted, to be supported by digital imagery and special movie effects.

http://septemberclues.info/deconstructing.htm

To my eyes, your comment is NOT remotely made in good faith.

[regex]

To my eyes, your comment is NOT remotely made in good faith.

Sorry, as a "9/11-freelancer" I cannot remember each detail of Simons work.

My question was not ment to offend anyone or interrupt this discussion.

Thanks for the quote.

[Brutal Metal]

" ...the Heart/Mother Brain of All the Worlds Financial markets... ?? "

http://www.lmcc.net/residencies/workspace/past_sessions/world_views

" These pictures are from the 91st floor during the summer of 2001. Where are the American Bureau of Shipping,
New Japan Securities International, Fukong Securities, Smart World Technologies, and Band-X, Inc., all of whom
are supposed to have leases on the 91st floor according to the Port Authority of NY/NJ ? "

HaHa that's some Great stuff guys I'll take credit for being a little naive BUT when I was in college (late 80's) all the PHD business professors talked about the Twin Towers and all the worldwide companies there, stock market,bull/bear etc.. But it's not like they ever visited in person they were 1200 miles away in North Carolina hence the myth is invented and I assumed it to be legit too, never had a reason to doubt it.. So this dismantling was taking place prior to the 93 bombing scenario?

[fbenario]

So this dismantling was taking place prior to the 93 bombing scenario?

Did you mean to say 'prior to 9/11?' I don't think anyone has posted here evidence about the pre-1993 period. You got any?

[Brutal Metal]

So this dismantling was taking place prior to the 93 bombing scenario?

Did you mean to say 'prior to 9/11?' I don't think anyone has posted here evidence about the pre-1993 period. You got any?

Nah I meant 93..a little ways up this page Simon posted a link regarding Eric Darton book "Divided We Stand"
He says in as early as 1985 the Main floors of Brokerage houses were neat and housed with employees while adjacent ones were dingy,dirty etc.. And company listings in Twin Tower directories did not accurately reflect if they were even still there..

[Tufa]

THE EMPTY TOWERS is something we induce based upon operation effectiveness and common sense. No one has come forward and told us this.

The basis is the fake pictures, and the fake video. Fake, we say. It imply that no picture or video evidence can be used as argument for or against any event, modus operandi, or time sequence.

So, on the morning of Tuesday 11, Sept 2001, a action-style movie go on the Telly, and there is no one who see any, take any pictures, and at least publish or tell us about it later. The conclusion is that you can take down the Towers any way you like, as long as you complete the work in the allocated time frame.

This is a major argument against any/all more esoteric conspiratorial scenarios, such as using UFO-style death ray weapons, using A-bombs in the basement, UFO attack, licorice steel effect, etc.

You can take down the towers using conventional means. A controlled demolition use a computer-controlled sequence of shape-charges. These explosives, that explode a small distance from the steel, fold and accelerates a copper plate that cut through the steel column. You must reach the bare steel to mount the explosive, and a very thin cut through the steel column is produced.

A problem is that you need to clear the demolition site really fast afterwards. You don't want any one to show up with a camera! Some of us thought, that when the towers are on the ground, a photo of the rubble with a fire-fighter could be a genuine photo. This was investigated late in 2010, where all such photos was found to be fake, including overall photos with N.Y. and a small demolition site.

Let's be a bit clever, here! How about if we arrange explosives also on the concrete floors, so they are cut in lorry-size pieces, easy to load afterwards. Each floor is approx 3.950m2 cutting into 3mx6m blocks produce 220 blocks cut-length (half!) 3m+6m -> 220*9m = 2000m cut-length for each of the 220 floors + basement 7 levels. You can also cut elevator size chunks from the floors, land them on a trolley on the floor below, and run them through the elevator system to load them for transportation in the basement. If you put three chunks on the trolley for each transportation, and if you work for a month, much can be accomplished. I'll don't fancy cutting also the core columns, or removing the floors completely, as this could affect the stability of the Towers.

The typical main question is all the people, who work at the Towers or a company that rent space. The reality is rather contradictive to the intuitive approach. You simply just ask them to cooperate, and they will!

You tell them some super-traumatic story that an A-bomb is in the building, that will soon blow up most of the N.Y. city. You then tell them that a fake and successful "attack" is to be fabricated to fool "the terrorists" into believing another terrorist group got to the towers first. Make this credible, and make them sign a military secrecy agreement.

And then the Towers go down, and Heiwa have suggested that the Towers are destroyed from the bottom up, as this is advantageous. You then start at the basement, and since the basement floors was common to both Towers, how about demolishing both Towers at the same time?

The activity around the Towers; our speculations thereof, can be divided into two schools:
A Realism Approach and a Psychological Approach.

The Realistic scenario could include a blue, clear, sky; the "Planes" marked by some kind of flying object; Fuel-special-effects to eject fuel from the Towers when the "plane" hits, smoke generators to simulate the Fire. I personally like this scenario, but kindly note
that the fire you see on the videos cannot be the real event, and the reason is the subliminal pictures, that has been inserted into the smoke and fire. This take time, and you should possibly test-run the TV broadcast on a test-audience also.

The Psychological scenario is not as fancy. If you can keep N.Y. citizen from finding out what's on for just a handful of minutes, you don't have to mess with the second "Plane" explosion or any; especially not the first "plane". Switch on the smoke and be happy. If the day was hazy, some number of smoke generators in a distance could obscure the view preventing all detailed photography from afar.
I have this feeling, that the TV broadcast around the towers was different (switched off?) compared to the rest of the U.S. The 30 minutes gap between the time when the Towers fall can be overcome by obscuring the view using much smoke.

And we don't have any time for the WTC7 demolition either.



This text is extremely speculative, and not based upon observations. It is for research purposes only, with the aim of illustrating:
If we don't know, the reality could have been much different compared to the TV version. A lot of people can easily be made to cooperate. They will keep silent!
You cannot "chock" them, either, by telling them that there where no "Planes". They already know that the video is a fake and also the planes and NIST-reports and all that.