9/11 SIMCITY

[Mitch Matrixx]

If you googol "Chroma Key Artifacts", this is one of the first posts.

"I'm always getting a doggone black outline around my subject when keying out a background using a green screen and using a magenta hairlight. I'm using an ancient DSR250 with 4:1:1 compression (not great). Anyway, messing around with all the controls in keylight I can't get any satisfaction in getting rid of the black outline. Shrinking the matte makes the talent look really unnatural. I tried using Adobe Ultra, which does a great job of keying. The lighting is even, the whole thing keys out fine except for that crummy black outline. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Lisa"

http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/973340

Thank you, BrianV!

"stubborn black outline artifact on chromakey
by Lisa Inserra on Feb 21, 2010 at 3:05:03 pm"

Still having that problem in 2010, eh?

Indeed Maat and brianv, but did either of you read the bottom of the page? It completely contradicts itself in the following post:

Re: stubborn black outline artifact on chromakey
by Dale Paquette on Jan 3, 2011 at 6:40:46 pm
I may be a day late and a dollar short on this one - but - I also experienced this problem and have made the observation that the brightness of the BG seems to affect the situation. Namely, a darkish BG clearly shows the black outline whereas a bright one doesn't. Just to check this, I moved the FG around to examine it over different parts of the BG and sure enough, the outline disappears whenever the BG is bright enough.

To be sure, any of the imagery in question that shows the dark fringing on the perimeters of the buildings all have a lighter background, in this case the sky.

Your example shoots itself in the foot when you read its entirety in context.

[Brutal Metal]

What's your view on the audio archives of 9/11 Mitch? Is that Shiate Legit?

[Equinox]

Your example shoots itself in the foot when you read its entirety in context.

With all dues respect Neo, At least we are actually providing examples. I.E.... photos.
Your not actually providing any visual examples.

I wonder with quotes like...

To be sure, any of the imagery in question that shows the dark fringing on the perimeters of the buildings all have a lighter background, in this case the sky.

Surely you could give an example. I know for a fact from living near by with family... and going to manhatten before it is one of the most photographed places in the world.

sky behind buildings New York?

A entry of buildings new york into google image search will bring up a response. About 2,720,000,000 results (0.33 seconds)

And we can even demonstrate how black lines appear in object using a method such as chroma key. Here is a demo.
Here's what newly-imported clip into chroma key looks like, with no filters.

Then slap on a Chroma Keyer


The realism of a chroma key is largely determined by how
the keyer handles the boundary surrounding the Foreground image.
As a result of the processing involved in extracting a key signal from
the Foreground chrominance, there is a tendency for the key to
‘spread’, leaving a dark line at the edges of non-keyed Foreground
Objects.

Its common knowlege this artifact. Its been days I have better research to focus on.. this is it with me and the black lines.

[Mitch Matrixx]

What's your view on the audio archives of 9/11 Mitch? Is that Shiate Legit?

I have no idea Brutal Metal.
I'm sorry that I even involved myself in this discussion.
It was foolish and pompous, though assuredly of good intent. I will leave this forum alone.
My sincere apoplogies to everyone.

Have a good weekend.

[Equinox]

What's your view on the audio archives of 9/11 Mitch? Is that Shiate Legit?

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJig1wj7oLI


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laNj_esH-i0


Pay attention to devins footage. You can hear the “live” fox 5 news footage playing in the background.
Lets use the “nose out” frame as a visual timeline reference.
Lets use (from the fox anchor) the EXACT microsecond after the word “Purposefully”
As an audio timeline reference….
From both the Fox 5 “live report”. And also from the Background in devins audio.

( pay little attention to the .14 and the .17 as they are just where they are on the youtube videos)

Compare the audio and visual timelines.
They match up very well to the exact micro second. ...



( last morphues meme I will create for a while… sorry for the lame attempt at humor creations. They really just make me laugh… No more for a while haha)

All Live news actually takes a 2 second delay from studio to reach the view.
I called fox... they said yes. Nothing to do with “censorship”. Its just a known universal fact that’s how fast the technology takes it to get to TV. They said it folks… Not me.


It would have taken an extra 2 seconds for the 2nd hit to appear on the T.V. devin and his friends.
So how on earth does his footage feature the TV running in sync with “real time”.

It can’t….
Devin probably just brought a case of Budweiser n had a few mates around. And just recorded a fake audio reaction to the FOX 5 footage on video tape days after 9/11.

[Equinox]

Trivial...

Compared to the impossible 12 degree a second bank.

Which has been proven impossible.
2-Can a Commercial Boeing 767–222 be “piloted or auto piloted” to Bank 12 degrees in 1 second--- (also under the above conditions)


viewtopic.php?f=17&t=467&start=195#p2367250
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=467&start=195#p2367249

Compared to the missing geo referenced background.





Compared to the fact its also a clone of CBS



Compared to the “double collapse shot”





None of the three collapse shots are even the same!
(double collapse, white out collapse, and 18 second collapse, )

I just want to say thanks for everyone’s contribution the past few days Its good see members chip in and work as a bit of a team. I had the chance to work with sublimity for a bit as well. Great posts on here and the collapse threads. I learn't a thing or two. I did not expect to post so much. Time to take a break ( 4 me ). Catch you next week sometime. Enjoy the weekend.


EQ/

[Brutal Metal]

that's Awesome EQ^^^ I wasn't even thinking of all those examples!

[Equinox]

All 3 perpsectives are roughly from exact same height and angle.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/news/6-8-9/44754.html



Compared to the missing geo referenced background.[/b]

[Equinox]

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjUUSbWk60M

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp5NXhWYC2I

Compare the explosion highlighting the smoke at the exact same time in the NBC and CBS shots.






Notice the fake hand wave across the camera to try and authentify the footage.


It’s all fake.

[Equinox]

that's Awesome EQ^^^ I wasn't even thinking of all those examples!

full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6e85jtk8kKc


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp5NXhWYC2I


full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjUUSbWk60M

that's Awesome EQ^^^ I wasn't even thinking of all those examples!

Glad you could understand it Brutal Metal.

Staying on the “2 second delay Studio - TV premise”

I will try and demonstrate how impossible it would have been for the video known as Jonnie “stay at home”…. How impossible it would have been for him to film what he seen live on TV and then walk about side with his camera and see exactly the same time what he saw on TV.



E.G> No matter what… Jonnie “stay at home” would have filmed anything in real life with a 2 second lag. Not as demonstrated in the video.

This is going to be a tough one to explain and not only that the Jonnie stay at home footage is really crappy and not detailed. Here as an attempt....

Here is the last frame before Jonnie walks outside.
It is supposed to be NBC footage (chopper channel 4 I believe)


Using that frame I matched up in time the NBC shot.


Using the NBC shot I matched up a comparison with a similar POV to Jonnie (the CBS/Tina cart shot)


So now I can watch what should be seen through jonnies camera.


I know it’s hard to make out but both the footage that was been played on TV is running also the same time in Sync with what Jonnie is recording. That’s not right..



Given a 2 second TV delay. Jonnie should have been recording what would be seen 2 seconds later.

Here is how it should have looked with the 2 second delay.

[Equinox]

My lame attempt at demonstrating the plane path and the direction of smoke from the tower on 3d.


A visual demo.


In this video
http://vimeo.com/28848125

How did it jump to the other side of the smoke? Magic??

[burlington]

Compare the explosion highlighting the smoke at the exact same time in the NBC and CBS shots.

I've learned more in the last few days than over the previous two months!

[Equinox]

An interseting article on the Psychology of Images

While there is a lot to quote from, I'll just give this from the first paragaph.

""while photographs may not lie, liars may photograph"



This image won a Pull it zer after it had been modified to remove the pole from the 14 year old ?? Runaway girl's head [Can't find any reason for her being at Kent State University, but dont let that spoil the story] Kinda looks familiar too, if you are keeping up with the uToyah thread!

See John Filo Mary Ann Vecchio

http://www.historycooperative.org/journ ... berry.html

Replying to myself -

Grassy Knolls were all the rage at that time, disinterested passers by, still.

How do impossible photographs win awards?



http://www.damncoolpictures.com/2011/08 ... raphs.html

That photograph!!

I synced that photo with the CBS footage…

A- The top corner of the NTH tower – photo- visible… CBS- Not visible.
B- Smoke plume from NTH tower lit up Photo- visibly orange… CBS- Not lit up.
C- Bottom smoke on south tower Photo and CBS do not match up at all.




full link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp5NXhWYC2I

[Equinox]

That photograph!!

I synced that photo with the CBS footage…

A- The top corner of the NTH tower – photo- visible… CBS- Not visible.
B- Smoke plume from NTH tower lit up Photo- visibly orange… CBS- Not lit up.
C- Bottom smoke on south tower Photo and CBS do not match up at all.

Just stumbled across this... Now the bridge is further up/down in the foreground!!
Site-- http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3009043.htm

[pov603]

That photograph!!

I synced that photo with the CBS footage…

A- The top corner of the NTH tower – photo- visible… CBS- Not visible.
B- Smoke plume from NTH tower lit up Photo- visibly orange… CBS- Not lit up.
C- Bottom smoke on south tower Photo and CBS do not match up at all.

Just stumbled across this... Now the bridge is further up/down in the foreground!!
Site-- http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2010/s3009043.htm

And where has the flag gone between two of the pictures?