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by simonshack
Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:18 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

D.Duck 4 Sep 3 2010, 06:17 PM wrote:
I think Angell is a real head scratcher so please give me your thoughts.
Our London dept. comes to our rescue.

Timothymurphy (and myself) have exposed Miriam Hyman as an alive-and-well "vicsim".

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David Angell could well have chosen the same status - although he and his wife Lynn probably moved to a mansion in Costa Rica or Uruguay. Wouldn't you choose such an option if you were a former Pentagon employee assigned to NBC sitcoms featuring "Flight11" hints inserted into TV scripts?

This whole "Angell" story could well be the most backstopped story of all the 9/11 vicsims. They needed - of course - some prominent people to disappear in order to uphold the hoax in an 'undebunkable' way. "Hey, what about that famous guy who died? Soooo many people and actors knew him personally?"

CNN's Barbara Olson was the most prominent 9/11 victim in the immediate aftermath. We now know a lot about her. So why worry about NBC's David Angell?
by D.Duck
Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:37 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

Fred,

I could not agree with you more and I think the guy never left Pentagon or Pentagon never left him.

I bet David had a few inside tips who to use as script writers and animators cos you always need an insider on the military advisory board when it comes to big Psyops.

What do we know about the wife? It would be interesting if they were friends with Ted and Barbara Olson or Gary Welz or involved with neocon causes.

Well, we know Ted Danson of Cheers has known the Clintons since the early years in Little Rock, they are best friends and very close and its not a long-shot that they were introduced, Barbara did TV-shows in Holy-Wood so why not.

At 2.08 listen to Ted and there is more but I save it for later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfUpRQe_ ... re=related

Your stuff about Kelsey Grammer fits pretty nice in the picture but I think all this is just the tip of the iceberg.



D.Duck
by fred
Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:05 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

D.Duck 4 Sep 1 2010, 12:04 PM wrote:
So at this point I think we have to rethink and ask ourselves, " Whats going on with this guy David Angell".
If you didn't know a thing about someone except that he was a script writer for TV, would your first guess be that "David Angell" is a real name or a pen name?

It sounds like a "Neil Diamond" type of stage name to me.

Given that 9/11 was a massive military-media hoax, and that this David Angell goes from the Pentagon to being a media millionaire, it seems very likely to me that he was a participant rather than a victim. We know the story of his death is untrue, so now we're trying to figure out how far back the lies go.

Why don't we start with what he's doing at the Pentagon in the first place? If the man's true calling is "TV script writer and media mogul" is it possible that he spent his time at the Pentagon doing just that?

We haven't come across any evidence yet that says he was Donald Rumsfeld's arch-enemy at the Pentagon and that he left the military because he was disgusted with their policies and propaganda, always writing letters to the editor, so it seems unlikely to me that someone would be out to get the guy because of things that happened 30 years before 9/11 during his military career.

If David Angell is a real person, maybe he stayed out of the limelight because he's a trained spook who was still working on Pentagon psyops after he left for Hollywood? He had to pay the bills somehow before he got his big break.

He's one of the handful of high-profile victims who don't seem to fit the standard vicsim model.

Does he have other relatives other than the Catholic Church official? Any friends other than the Frasier millionaires?

Given that he was apparently instrumental in helping the Frasier crew get rich, I doubt that he was "whacked" for being a writer on the hit show. He seems pretty "Establishment" to be getting bumped over the head.

If real I would go with "rich insider willing to retire from public life: Volunteer Vicsim", which I think fits Barbara Olson as well.

I'd say he has an unusually low profile for a Hollywood big shot producer.

What do we know about the wife? It would be interesting if they were friends with Ted and Barbara Olson or Gary Welz or involved with neocon causes.

Ex pentagon media millionaire dies in psyop propaganda story--hard for me to think that he's a murder victim. It's either convenient cover (since you have to ask other Pentagon media millionaires whether or not the guy was for real), or it's the background you'd expect for a wq2rx spook. Did "Ace Baker" and "Clair Marlo" ever write some songs for his shows? I wonder if we will find ties from Grub Street productions to the other media cells.
by simonshack
Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:42 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

fred 4 Aug 30 2010, 06:34 PM wrote: I rather doubt that anyone is getting "whacked".

Given that our David Angell presumably has lots of money, used to work at the Pentagon, and has been involved with the media for decades, I would suspect that he's a willing participant in the hoax.

There are a few high-profile celebrities on the plane crash that don't fit the profile of typical vicsims. Remember that Angell's supposedly sitting there on the plane with CNN commentator and wife of President Bush's lawyer Barbara Olson, along with some retired admiral (and a bunch of vicsim-y black children who won a free trip from National Geographic).

Then on one of the other planes we have billionaire Israeli counter-terrorist commando Daniel Lewin.

They needed a couple of big shots along for the ride to help sell the whole script.

I suspect that a slightly-younger-looking man is turning up at all of David Angell's old haunts and enjoying his millions of dollars while retiring from public life.

The perps have a variety of methods at their disposal to create the illusion. It's a mistake to think that the trick they use most often is the only one they've got up their sleeve, imho.

If Steve Buschemi is willing to go running around in a fireman costume and say that he's passing body bags back and forth, I think a former Pentagon media millionaire with some depressing lawsuits and a brother wrapped up in a Pedophile sex scandal might be willing to undergo an identity change.

Just my 2 cents towards NASA's Mars Mission.
I can't agree with you more, Fred. But you ain't getting any points for the NASA journey up to Mars - we need you too much/and all of the time - down here!

You'll remember when we were debating - back in the ol' days - about which specific video trickery method was used for the puzzling 9/11 imagery. At the time, my oft reiterated opinion was that more than ONE technique must have been employed.

If you are going to stage a hoax of such massive scale, you wouldn't want to go with one single, particular deception method which, if unmasked, would cause a domino effect knocking down the entire construct in one sweep.

To figure out exactly what happened to the alleged passengers of non-existing airliners is of course an interesting exercise. But, ultimately, it is only just that: an exercise. To unveil by empirical analyses that the archived, verifiable 9/11 imagery was but a crassly animated movie was - thankfully - within our reach. To figure out the precise fate of the purported victims is another matter altogether. I have an idea though: why don't we just contact Philip Berg (Ellen Mariani's lawyer) and ask him why he wasn't able to find any of the other families of the 'passengers'? Hmmm? ;)

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Philip J. Berg and Ellen Mariani

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p.s. to Snowflake: Thanks for responding to my responses to you - when you have time.
by fred
Mon Aug 30, 2010 6:34 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

I rather doubt that anyone is getting "whacked".

Given that our David Angell presumably has lots of money, used to work at the Pentagon, and has been involved with the media for decades, I would suspect that he's a willing participant in the hoax.

There are a few high-profile celebrities on the plane crash that don't fit the profile of typical vicsims. Remember that Angell's supposedly sitting there on the plane with CNN commentator and wife of President Bush's lawyer Barbara Olson, along with some retired admiral (and a bunch of vicsim-y black children who won a free trip from National Geographic).

Then on one of the other planes we have billionaire Israeli counter-terrorist commando Daniel Lewin.

They needed a couple of big shots along for the ride to help sell the whole script.

I suspect that a slightly-younger-looking man is turning up at all of David Angell's old haunts and enjoying his millions of dollars while retiring from public life.

The perps have a variety of methods at their disposal to create the illusion. It's a mistake to think that the trick they use most often is the only one they've got up their sleeve, imho.

If Steve Buschemi is willing to go running around in a fireman costume and say that he's passing body bags back and forth, I think a former Pentagon media millionaire with some depressing lawsuits and a brother wrapped up in a Pedophile sex scandal might be willing to undergo an identity change.

Just my 2 cents towards NASA's Mars Mission.
by simonshack
Mon Aug 30, 2010 1:58 pm
Forum: VICSIMS: the simulated victims of 9/11
Topic: 9/11 MEMORIAL SCAMS, VICSIMS, Etc
Replies: 1415
Views: 2124121

ADMIN NOTE: I have transferred over here "Snowflake's" musings about "FLIGHT 11 victim" David Angell.
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quote: snowflake
Even though I'm convinced there were no planes, I'm not 100% sure nobody was killed on 911. For example, you have David L. Angell who was apparently on Flight 11. He worked on Cheers and Frasier and won some Emmys. How could he have not existed? Although, his bio says he worked at the Pentagon until 1972. Someone on his imdb message board commented that it was odd that he had worked there. You also have Louis Neil Mariani who was allegedly on Flight 175 and his widow Ellen Mariani says she has never found other families of the victims allegedly on Flight 175. If she was an actress, she wouldn't say that... so if her husband really died, what happened to him? It's all very mysterious.

I've always found it strange that they ended up with approximately the same amount of victims as Pearl Harbor.




quote : simonshack
Just for starters - why does the "famous TV personality" David Angell have two seemingly 'cloned' (ridiculously-similar-yet-obviously-snapped-on-different-occasions) portraits of himself circulating on the memorials? As you know - he's certainly NOT alone in that respect:
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More about NBC's David Angell here:
http://z6.invisionfree.com/Reality_Shac ... &p=1263122

As for Louis Neil Mariani seems to be alive and well, age 67 (nine years older than in 2001) and still married to his wife Ellen in New Hampshire.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/results.php ... cusfirst=1

Also, take the time to read this sappy obituary. I don't believe for a minute in its authenticity - but that's probably because I'm such a mean, disrespectful fellow... <_<
http://www.legacy.com/Sept11/Story.aspx?PersonID=91702



quote: snowflake
David Angell worked on Frasier, Cheers and Wings. Here is an episode of Cheers from 1986 where you can see David Angell's name at 2:57.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHTRUUnd ... re=related

Here's a Frasier episode from 1997 where you can see the three creators' names: David Angell, Peter Casey and David Lee at 0:47.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jswcSdm86ak

Here's a Wings episode from the 1990s where you can also see the three creators' names at 1:47.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cOf0JOV ... re=related

Here's a bit of info from the Emmy's website:

http://www.emmys.com/award_history_sear ... winner=All

Angell won many Emmys for his work on those sitcoms so I'm pretty sure he showed up at the Emmy Awards Ceremonies from 1984 to 2000. The footage should be pretty easy to get.

David Angell's name is mentioned at 1994:

http://www.emmys.com/articles/stellar-61

Nice pictures of David and his wife Lynn:

http://www.angellfoundation.org/content.php?pgID=240

Another picture of David:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/notable.victims/

The 2 hour finale of Frasier apparently included a tribute to David Angell:

http://www.people.com/people/archive/ar ... 10,00.html

Here's another article where they talk about the tribute:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/4592861

Snowflake,

I thank you for digging up an umpteenth 'charitable foundation' set up in the name of a "9/11 victim":

"The Angell Foundation". http://www.angellfoundation.org/content.php?pgID=240
It is, yet again, an oddly registered website with no easily traceable registrant, hosted by a "domains by proxy Inc". This is another recurring pattern as far as these countless "9/11charity orgs" are concerned.
http://www.whois.net/whois/angellfoundation.org

The rest of your 'findings', Snowflake, frankly fail to provide any solid evidence as to David Angell's existence either way, i.e. either past or current (remember that his TV colleague Barbara Olson appears to have had a face-job and remarried her husband Ted Olson - an exposed 'compulsive' liar). The fact that Angell's name appears here and there, his Emmy award and a few more pictures of the man demonstrate next to nothing - given the extraordinary extent of media trickery and deception we have become familiar with in the course of our 9/11 investigations.

Now, before you post any further on this subject, I think I'm entitled to ask you to address my previous responses to you. I am now referring to the 2 seemingly cloned portraits of David Angell (see above). As you know, our vicsim research initiated with a comprehensive analysis of the "9/11 victims" portraits to be found in the memorials. The continuous emergence of countless 'twin portraits' is an issue which simply cannot be dismissed offhand as 'coincidental'. If you need some 'refreshing' about this crucial matter, please watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llx5BN5I ... re=related

So I will ask you to comment cogently (as opposed to requiring from you an impossible, 'firm explanation') as to why even a man like David Angell - an alleged TV personality supposedly surrounded by photographers/cameramen for decades - would also have a pair of near identical - but more likely fabricated - portraits of himself circulating on the 9/11 memorials.